Emulate the Sociopaths when dealing with women

[Aenigma]

The master/slave morality has helped me clear up my thinking quite a bit as of lately and something occured to me.

Sociopaths/bpd act from the master morality. They lie, manipulate, and do whatever is in their interest without regard for the emotions of those around them.

I repeat- they do what is in THEIR best interest without regards for the emotions of those around them.

Should we not be emulating them in regards to the average American woman?

I say yes. American women act in their own best interest- they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate heartlessly and do so following their emotional whims. They have no ethics to speak of- they are completely amoral. I say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander- we have every right to do the same to get OUR NEEDS met. On an ethical level any objections from them are pure hypocracy. That only leaves the fact that they might feel "hurt" by what we do- but since they don't care in the slightest about our emotions so why should we care about theirs?

We shouldn't. As Lycus says- do whatever you need to do to get your needs met.

Lie
Cheat
Manipulate

It's all A-OK when dealing with your average American Woman.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

Fail. The "Average American Woman" would want to be with you if you were worthy enough in the first place. Lying, cheating and manipulation only reinforces the fact that you are too pathetic to get them on your own merit.

If women really are as bad as you think they are, why don't you try life on the other side of the street? I'm sure there are many men here who would relate to you on a very deep and empathetic level.

Seriously, if all you're meeting are lying, manipulative cheaters... it's time to think about why YOU aren't attracting or attracted to, anyone "worthwhile".

 

[KontrollerX]

"Fail. The "Average American Woman" would want to be with you if you were worthy enough in the first place. Lying, cheating and manipulation only reinforces the fact that you are too pathetic to get them on your own merit."

Lying is a skill as is playing the part of the smooth cool manipulative charmer that women soak their panties over.

The guy you were lusting over a few posts back that boyfriend or whatever he is that you were telling us about may be a sociopath and you wouldn't of even known it.

As the world expert Robert Hare says about them "the trouble is they don't wear a bell around their necks so you can easily identify them from a normal person".

"Seriously, if all you're meeting are lying, manipulative cheaters... it's time to think about why YOU aren't attracting or attracted to, anyone "worthwhile"."

The problem is the current culture breeds garbage humanity and to succeed in a garbage culture you have to adopt the attitudes of that garbage culture and the current attitude is sociopathic attitudes rule the day.

Its why phrases like "its a dog eat dog world" among others are so prevalent because in today's world they ring true.

And I know we have not much good to say about morality DJ's but thats only because their world view and world they'd like to live in is obsolete.

If say somehow someway the culture changed to become very morally centered with accountability across the board for men and women and social ostracization for cheating and other ill behavior and people then saw there were consequences for not following the unwritten rules the morality DJ's would rule this forum and Aneigma and myself would be preaching their gospel alongside them as those of our beliefs are focused on what is and not what ought to be.

We are reality minded with what is in front of us today and how to react to that for the most success not how we want it to be.

 

[Aenigma]

Lying, cheating and manipulation only reinforces the fact that you are too pathetic to get them on your own merit.

Big suprise- a woman "debates" me in the only way they know how- by emotional manipulation in the form of a personal attack.

How about addressing the actual argument?

Oh wait you can't- because I'm right. Too bad so sad. Another stupid girl spouting illogical BS put in her place. Eat it.

Let's try again.... How about pointing out where I said that men should remain "pathetic"? Or where I said they shouldn't strive for greatness or use self improvement?

I never did. Lying and manipulation should be another tool in the chest for a DJ. Not the only ones.

The "Average American Woman" would want to be with you if you were worthy enough in the first place.

The average american woman is a joke. To quote Diseal 95% of them are worthless for anything other then ****ing. The sad part is that 4.99% of the remaining 5 are either taken, fat, stupid or ugly.

Seriously, if all you're meeting are lying, manipulative cheaters... it's time to think about why YOU aren't attracting or attracted to, anyone "worthwhile".

See above.

Lying is a skill as is playing the part of the smooth cool manipulative charmer that women soak their panties over.

I need to work on this aspect. Got any good thread links?

And I know we have not much good to say about morality DJ's but thats only because their world view and world they'd like to live in is obsolete.

If opening car doors, buying flowers, and acting respectfully, like or mothers taught us, actually worked- then none of us would be here. This site would never have been up.

If say somehow someway the culture changed to become very morally centered with accountability across the board for men and women and social ostracization for cheating and other ill behavior and people then saw there were consequences for not following the unwritten rules the morality DJ's would rule this forum and Aneigma and myself would be preaching their gospel alongside them as those of our beliefs are focused on what is and not what ought to be.

Exactly. Nice dosen't work. Assshole does.

Manipulate lying Assshole who selfishly follows their interests without any emtional empathy = a woman who is following her feminine perogatives.

Manipulate lying Assshole who selfishly follows their interests without any emtional empathy = evil callous deadbeat man who is publicly verbaly castigated but privately rewarded with hot dripping wet poon.

It's all part of the lace curtain to enslave men at its root.

Manipulated man- Estar Vilar

Masculinity and Honor is an Artifical System designed to manipulate men

It is simple to analyse this vicious circle: women invent rules, manipulate men to obey them and so dominate the male sex. Of course, these rules in no way apply to women themselves. The male sense of honour, for example, is a system invented by women who loudly exempt themselves from it. They renounce the concept of honour and, as a result, manipulate men.

I remind you the above was written by a woman- a feminist at that.

We are reality minded with what is in front of us today and how to react to that for the most success not how we want it to be.

A is A
Reality cannot be denied without consequence.

 

[Trader]

The master/slave morality has helped me clear up my thinking quite a bit as of lately and something occured to me.

Sociopaths/bpd act from the master morality. They lie, manipulate, and do whatever is in their interest without regard for the emotions of those around them.

I repeat- they do what is in THEIR best interest without regards for the emotions of those around them.

Should we not be emulating them in regards to the average American woman?

I say yes. American women act in their own best interest- they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate heartlessly and do so following their emotional whims. They have no ethics to speak of- they are completely amoral. I say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander- we have every right to do the same to get OUR NEEDS met. On an ethical level any objections from them are pure hypocracy. That only leaves the fact that they might feel "hurt" by what we do- but since they don't care in the slightest about our emotions so why should we care about theirs?

We shouldn't. As Lycus says- do whatever you need to do to get your needs met.

Lie
Cheat
Manipulate

It's all A-OK when dealing with your average American Woman.

You got it 1/2 right

Yes, as men, we have every right to have our own needs met. It is right for us to act in our own self-interest.

But you don't have to lie, cheat, and manipulate to do that. You can be an honest man and still act in your own self-interest.

What I found is that while girls are amoral, they actually find a man with better morals sexy. It's actually quite funny - girls are not moral at all, but they are looking for a man who is.

Note: they want a man with morals AND strength/power.

Now I'm not going to go out there and preach about what TYPE of morals you should have. That's up to you to decide. But you must draw your own lines somewhere.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

American women act in their own best interest- they lie, cheat, steal, and manipulate heartlessly and do so following their emotional whims. They have no ethics to speak of- they are completely amoral. I say that what's good for the goose is good for the gander- we have every right to do the same to get OUR NEEDS met. On an ethical level any objections from them are pure hypocracy. That only leaves the fact that they might feel "hurt" by what we do- but since they don't care in the slightest about our emotions so why should we care about theirs?

I am seriously interested in knowing what these women are lying about. How many are cheating, and what exactly are they stealing? How does that saying go? "Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me?"

I am so sorry that you feel women don't care about men's emotions... that sounds like it comes from personal experience, and for that I am sorry. I promise, promise, promise you not all women are like that. Even the Americans. Everyone gets hurt, but you move past it. Be the better person, instead of becoming what you despise.

Big suprise- a woman "debates" me in the only way they know how- by emotional manipulation in the form of a personal attack.

Don't take what I said out of context. I am referring all liars, manipulators, and cheaters, both male and female. Not just you.

Let's try again.... How about pointing out where I said that men should remain "pathetic"? Or where I said they shouldn't strive for greatness or use self improvement?

I never did. Lying and manipulation should be another tool in the chest for a DJ. Not the only ones.

Yes, let's try this again... where exactly did I tell YOU that YOU said men should remain pathetic?

ALL MEN (and women for that matter) SHOULD strive for greatness and self-improvement FOR THEMSELVES. I don't disagree with you here.

On an ethical level any objections from them are pure hypocracy.

It's funny that you mentioned that. Obviously you are not open-minded, and are too embittered to really enjoy women to the fullest. It's unfortunate.

On another note, I don't dismiss that the majority of men here have the same, sheep mentality towards women, which in some respects, I give you the benefit of some personal experience, HOWEVER, saying 95% of American Woman are worthless for anything except sex is extreme and ignorant, in my womanly opinion, of course. It would seem as though you are walking around with eyes for women who will only disappoint you.

The guy you were lusting over a few posts back that boyfriend or whatever he is that you were telling us about may be a sociopath and you wouldn't of even known it.

That is true. And he didn't get any! No seriously, I thought long and hard about it, but I just kept having doubts. Something wasn't right and this could be the reason why.

All and all, I do stand by my previous statements. If you are only looking for terrible, deceptive, manipulative women, that is all you will find.

 

[KontrollerX]

"That is true. And he didn't get any! No seriously, I thought long and hard about it, but I just kept having doubts. Something wasn't right and this could be the reason why."

That or maybe that guy wasn't a sociopath or someone that acted like one in the same charming and appealing way and in short maybe the guy was too good for you and I don't mean the kind of too good for you where you are unworthy of him but perhaps your ex was too good for you in the sense maybe he was too AFC as in a little too moral, a little too kind, a little too good and reliable and it turned you off ie thats what gave you the doubtful feeling about him.

He did not light your fire because he didn't have a hard enough edge about him.

Not exciting enough.

Something like that.

"All and all, I do stand by my previous statements. If you are only looking for terrible, deceptive, manipulative women, that is all you will find."

People are opportunistic selfish animals whose biology will trump their moral convictions under the right circumstances every time.

That means the most moral man or woman that you know or look for out on the dating field can become a sexual deviant or cheater in the heat of the moment as their biology moves them forward to act upon an opportunity that this natural human biology deems is too delicious and irrisistable to pass up.

So you've made your point and stand by it.

It still doesn't change the reality that what you seek may not remain what you originally find.

 

[MillenniumMike]

Diesel said that 95% of women are useless; I would further expand that to say 95% of people are useless. Both men and women equally lie, cheat and manipulate. It can be further argued that the sexes lie for different reasons. I would say women will betray a man for lack of leadership on his part. Women like to follow (not always). They are looking for a leader figure to be with. A man with a clearly listed expectations and lines in the sand for men and women will be treated with much respect from both sexes.

I was hooking up with this girl awhile back who had a boyfriend who would cheat on him all the time. I was laying in bed with her one night and they were sending each other cute texts, it was one of the most awkward things. I eventually became fed up and kicked her out. She would do whatever I would say but to guys who had no clear standards she would walk all over. I have never had met a girl who did not respect me, she may have rejected me, but it was never a humiliating blow out. I have expectations for girls I date and in turn I expect them to have expectations of me. I know girls who with one boyfriend would do every type of sexual endeavor and with the next boyfriend who was hard core religious be a perfect angel, it just depends on having a keeping strong standards.

I will concede that lying and manipulating does lead you to success with women. I have done my fair share of both not only in the dating world but in other social settings to help me rise to a formidable social standing in my network. It works but the sociopathic tendencies are not the root of the success. Being a man with standards and owning his masculinity and desires is a root of success. In any case what is there to lie about, if you are dating multiple girls just say you are, most people are okay with that. If you are in a situation where you need to manipulate someone either reciprocate the same action yourself or display that is the kind of guy you are and you expect that action. Acting like a sociopath and not being one will be a burden on your conscience.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

He did not light your fire because he didn't have a hard enough edge about him.

I don't know if this is the case or not. I really don't like a lot of drama. I honestly just appreciate the 'nice guy' and not because he's a wuss, but because he understands that respecting another will garner respect for himself. When I do get with someone, I don't want to feel later that I was manipulated into it under false pretenses. (Hence the severe ASD)

It still doesn't change the reality that what you seek may not remain what you originally find.

Very true, and part of this is because people change, and part is because people deceive one another. I do agree with the biology taking over sometimes... it's true.. it almost happened to me!

"Masculinity and Honor is an Artifical System designed to manipulate men

It is simple to analyse this vicious circle: women invent rules, manipulate men to obey them and so dominate the male sex. Of course, these rules in no way apply to women themselves. The male sense of honour, for example, is a system invented by women who loudly exempt themselves from it. They renounce the concept of honour and, as a result, manipulate men."

I had meant to address this earlier...

1.) What rules did women invent, pertaining to what, and why do men follow them?

2.) Why is the male sense of honor a "system invented by women" I feel there is more needed for me to completely understand these concepts and dynamics, but I am open-minded and interested in these ideas.

I would very much like to think that men are capable of independent and self-acknowledging thought.

Isn't this kind of "victimizing' oneself??

 

[darkstarrr]

It's all A-OK when dealing with your average American Woman.

You are a very intuitive and intelligent individual Aenigma. Nice thread.

:flowers:

 

[f283000]

I gave up on white american women this month. After years of analysis why should i keep wasting my time on women that only care about themselves? I am no longer going to date any white american woman. I am only dating asian/hispanic or other foreign women from now on. This could mean going dateless for a lot longer but I am prepared to carry on this decision in order to fight feminism and keep myself sane.

People in this forum talk about the feminazi agenda and taking our power back by not getting married etc. How about staying away from the feminist market? how about instead of going for gm crops (feminist women) you go for healthy organic (foreign women, women from traditional countries). You stop giving the feminazis attention you take away their power. Like Henry Makow of www.savethemales.ca said, we got the penis, we got the power, not the other way around.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

LOL What exactly have women taken from men?

I wouldn't say that American Women ONLY care about themselves, but they are a great deal more independent, and yes, manipulative. That doesn't mean we all are. Not by a longshot.

I care a great deal about the people in my life, past and present, and even people I don't know, because I can empathize with them.

My sister, on the other hand, carries her husband's b@llz around in a lockbox. (I am beginning to understand that she may be the 'type' of "American Woman" so despised by many).

 

[STR8UP]

If I hadn't already bought you a beer (well you bought me one too!) I'd offer you one.

You know I have a similar take on the subject.

Despite the protests from women and less informed men, the Machiavellian model can serve a man well.

I have been saying for a long time that if guys want to be successful with women, they need to DATE LIKE WOMEN.

The dirty, disgusting truth is wrapped in a foofy package and topped with a pretty red bow as it is shoved down our throats before we truly have a chance to see it for what it is, but make no mistake- women are ruthless mercenaries at their core. Society TEMPERS these selfish adaptations, but as KX said, at the end of the day, biology trumps all and a woman is going to do what she thinks is in HER best interest, the rest of the world be damned.

I have also made the point in the past that the mating game is adversarial by nature. A man and a woman come together looking to fulfill their individual interests, and they stay together as long as those mutual interests are being met. But make no mistake, as soon as one person feels as if their interests aren't being served, it's either byebye (usually with a fukk you in the form of screwing your best friend) or the relationship turns into a miserable wreck.

Love? Ha. Another cruel joke played on all of us (women included). WE are so hung up on finding this mythical, mystical thing that nothing is ever good enough.

I could go on all fukking night, but instead let me reply to this-

I am seriously interested in knowing what these women are lying about. How many are cheating, and what exactly are they stealing? How does that saying go? "Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice, shame on me?"

Men are the ones that generally steal from each other, and women are the ones who lie and manipulate to gain social advantage.

ALL MEN (and women for that matter) SHOULD strive for greatness and self-improvement FOR THEMSELVES. I don't disagree with you here.

Here's the problem.

You say that everyone should strive for greatness. That's all good and fine...we all agree. However....."greatness" isn't easily defined, and like it or not, admit it or not, many, MANY women are attracted to gangstas and criminals the same as they are attracted to upstanding CEO's. With women it isn't about "greatness", it's about getting her panties wet. And there are many ways to do that, including lying through your teeth.



It's funny that you mentioned that. Obviously you are not open-minded, and are too embittered to really enjoy women to the fullest. It's unfortunate.

On another note, I don't dismiss that the majority of men here have the same, sheep mentality towards women, which in some respects, I give you the benefit of some personal experience, HOWEVER, saying 95% of American Woman are worthless for anything except sex is extreme and ignorant, in my womanly opinion, of course. It would seem as though you are walking around with eyes for women who will only disappoint you.


Typical response. If the guy speaks of anything other than the conventional beta mindset, he is shamed. He is bitter. He is closed off to "quality" women so he only gets what he sees.

B.S.

 

[ketostix]

LOL What exactly have women taken from men?

Men's jobs, men's opportunities through affirmative action, freedom of free speech and expression through political correctness, shaming etc., they've taken away men's expression of sexuality, substituting their beliefs and judgements in the mainstream for male's, women disparage all things masculine, women take men's money in divorce and with child support..the list goes on and on. The easy question is what are women not trying to take away or usurp from men? Not a single thing.

 

[pLaYtHiNg]

The dirty, disgusting truth is wrapped in a foofy package and topped with a pretty red bow as it is shoved down our throats before we truly have a chance to see it for what it is, but make no mistake- women are ruthless mercenaries at their core. Society TEMPERS these selfish adaptations, but as KX said, at the end of the day, biology trumps all and a woman is going to do what she thinks is in HER best interest, the rest of the world be damned.

Wow. A lot of women feel the same towards men. That's why getting to know someone is so important to me. People do disguise their intentions. What do women disguise? For instance, it would seem that many men use the lure of a relationship to get a woman to sleep with him. (Of course if it works, that's 1:HIM, 0:Her). Although not very noble in my book...

Men are the ones that generally steal from each other, and women are the ones who lie and manipulate to gain social advantage.

Okay... but what do women lie about? Do you have a specific example, let's say, that is widespread and common knowledge amongst men? What social advantages do women gain from these lies?

You say that everyone should strive for greatness. That's all good and fine...we all agree. However....."greatness" isn't easily defined, and like it or not, admit it or not, many, MANY women are attracted to gangstas and criminals the same as they are attracted to upstanding CEO's. With women it isn't about "greatness", it's about getting her panties wet. And there are many ways to do that, including lying through your teeth.

You are right, "Greatness" is a vague term. What I mean by "Greatness" wasn't necessarily talking about gaining sex, although I understand that's *kind of* an important goal of most men here...

What I mean is to be someone you are proud to be. I may be wrong, but I can't see someone who lies and manipulates and uses other people, as having a high regard for themselves. I, personally, would much rather be with someone who knows and appreciates me for the person I am, not some sort of fantasy I made up.

Typical response. If the guy speaks of anything other than the conventional beta mindset, he is shamed. He is bitter. He is closed off to "quality" women so he only gets what he sees.

I was more or less referring to the "Self-Fulfilling Prophecy". The idea that your mindset, however subconscious, affects the results you get. If you expect bad, you will get bad, and vice versa. I probably should have articulated that before-hand.

Men's jobs, men's opportunities through affirmative action, freedom of free speech and expression through political correctness, shaming etc., they've taken away men's expression of sexuality, substituting their beliefs and judgements in the mainstream for male's, women disparage all things masculine, women take men's money in divorce and with child support..the list goes on and on. The easy question is what are women not trying to take away or usurp from men? Not a single thing.

Men's Jobs. Like what, exactly? Be specific. Like, any type of employment? If so, how is a woman to support herself before becoming married and leeching off of her husband? Or, are there "Man-Specific" jobs you think women should not be allowed to perform?? Should we only be Candy Striper's and School Teachers?

Men's opportunities though Affirmative Action? You realize that does not strictly aid women's equality, right??

Freedom of Speech and Expression through Politcal Correctness? Shaming?? What can't you say and express (through 'political correctness')? What are you being shamed for??

I don't know about women disparaging everything masculine, you are going to have to be super specific and explain your point of view so that I may understand it better.

Oh, for those of you who don't want to pay Child Support, don't make babies. Men who actually have the NERVE to COMPLAIN about contributing to the survival of their own progeny need a vasectomy, if not worse. If you want, pursue custody. It's the 2000's and not uncommon nowadays. The thought that someone could make a baby and actually complain about feeding and clothing their child makes me ill.

I'm really getting the feeling I may be more naive than I thought about certain things... Are so many people, (men and women) actively lying, manipulating and taking advantage of each other?? I'd really like to think not, but I am truly being delusional in believing it? Is anyone out there actually honest? No wonder people gain a sense of pessimism and resentment for the opposite sex...

Thank you all for your patience! Hopefully understanding these things will put me at an advantage whenever I do find myself in a relationship again; I hope that results in a deeply satisfying partnership.

 

[Aenigma]

Wow. A lot of women feel the same towards men.

I'm sure. Both genders have their own challenges and crosses to bear. And I feel for women- I really do. But at the same time, I'm not going to waste anymore empathy or time on the interests/feelings of women at the expense of my own.

People do disguise their intentions. What do women disguise?

Everything and anything that can keep them from snagging their wedding day, home, white picket fence, and finanicial slave.

I've never met a woman with enough respect for the truth to let it stand in the way of her agenda- whatever it might be.

For instance, it would seem that many men use the lure of a relationship to get a woman to sleep with him. (Of course if it works, that's 1:HIM, 0:Her). Although not very noble in my book...

Noble? By what ethical standard? The ethical standard of Christianity or some other religion? She wouldn't be having sex before marriage if she actually believed in those- so any objection based on those moral standards is hypocracy.

Okay... but what do women lie about? Do you have a specific example, let's say, that is widespread and common knowledge amongst men?

Anything that she thinks will keep her from snagging the "prize" (aka chump to pay for her shyt)- in other words anything that makes her look like she's not a "quality girl".

Age
Number of Sexual Partners she's had
Number of Sexual Partners she HAS
"Crazy" sexual things that a quality guy would disqualify her for a LTR/Marriage for
(orgies, threesomes, number of one night stands, girl on girl, etc)
Drug Use
Number of times she cheated

What social advantages do women gain from these lies?

Here's two:

Hook the finanicial slave into the horrible farce that is marriage/divorce.

Get's the benefit of a "good girl" reputation in public- avoids of the social stigma of being a slut/*****/druggie

What I mean is to be someone you are proud to be. I may be wrong, but I can't see someone who lies and manipulates and uses other people, as having a high regard for themselves.

You must not be friends with alot of women then, the'yre a great example... (ooo burned!)

I, personally, would much rather be with someone who knows and appreciates me for the person I am, not some sort of fantasy I made up.

I agree with you- but you're missing the point (or maybe your dilberately misrepresenting it)- the point isn't to languish in mediocredy all while lying to get hot poon- the point is that one shouldn't feel obligated to tell women the truth if its inconvinient.

You're the only one I'm sleeping with baby (she's not)
I want to make kids with you someday (when you're married to someone else)
I want to get married (when hell freezes over- hahahahaha)
I'm going to see my parents over the weekend (going to f another girl)

See simple and easy.

was more or less referring to the "Self-Fulfilling Prophecy". The idea that your mindset, however subconscious, affects the results you get. If you expect bad, you will get bad, and vice versa.

1. No you weren't- you were clearly repeating your tactic of implying that the problem isn't women- but rather us as men.

2. If you want to rely on "The Secret" to prove a point then please provide the proof of that its metaphysics is actually valid- and not a steaming pile of BS.

The thought that someone could make a baby and actually complain about feeding and clothing their child makes me ill.

Men don't generally get pissed about support their child. They get pissed about being ordered to pay more then what is required to support the child and then see their babymoma/ex-wife using the extra to pay for a boob job/purses/shoes- whatever.

At any rate, this train of thought isn't what the the thread is about. If you want to talk about it- start a thread on it.

I'm really getting the feeling I may be more naive than I thought about certain things... Are so many people, (men and women) actively lying, manipulating and taking advantage of each other??

Yes.

'd really like to think not, but I am truly being delusional in believing it? Is anyone out there actually honest?

Yes and Yes. There is no shortage of "nice guys" who are honest in our soceity. The difference is that the guys here are sick of being on the losing end.

No wonder people gain a sense of pessimism and resentment for the opposite sex...

I'm equal opportunity.

I understand the evolutionary genetic motivation that underlies both genders in regards to deception and manipulation. I even feel sorry for the women who get repeatidly played and dumped by lying CADs. I just no longer allow my empathy and understanding to get in the way of MY selfish desires and needs.

If there is no benefit to me in being honest with a women- then why should I?

 

[Trader]

For a man to lie, cheat, and manipulate, to do whatever it takes to get the girl, in other words, sacrificing his self-respect and dignity - how is that different from a beta male?

A beta male sacrifices his self-respect and dignity too in order to get the girl - he just does it in a different way - instead of lying and cheating, he sends endless gifts and agrees with everything she says.

"I am not a beta male (or AFC), I am an Alpha Male" you chant endlessly while you pound your chest. Well you sure as hell don't act like it.


Yes, I won't argue with you, lying and cheating will sometimes get you the girl. Yes, I won't argue with you, most girls lie and cheat all the time too.

But I tell all of you this, if you claim you are a Don Juan, if you claim you are an Alpha Dog - you better not stop down to her level. She is just a girl, but you are a MAN - have some self-respect for yourself.

 

[Brutus]

I have to say I have mixed feeling about Plaything. Some of the things she says are stupid as hell (for example, "if women's behavior bothers you, turn gay" - it doesn't work like that and you know it). On the other hand, I agree with many things she says... Her message is basically: YOU HAVE A CHOICE. And it's the right message.

You know, I come to this board very rarely these days, because it's kinda waste of time. All the constructive things were already said by "the legends" like Pook and Mr. Fingers. There's only so much you can say about dating and male/female dynamics so when someone is giving a tip or advice, it's really an old news.

It seems this board became for many a place to express their anger and frustration, which is understandable, but pointless. Furthermore, it makes you sink deeper and deeper into bitterness. You know how depressed people are thinking depressing thoughts over and over which in turn makes them even more depressed? Well, constant b-tching and complaining about women's fickle ways works the same.

English is not my native language. While writing this, I had to make sure "fickle" is the right word. So I opened a new window to check out a definition. My home page (Yahoo!) opened. And right there, this story:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=mmajunkie-Maynard_road_to_MMA_debut&prov=mmajunkie&type=lgns

And you think you have problems?

Look, I'm no better than you. Just last night a couldn't sleep till 2 A.M. because I was for the 142th time thinking about "that f-cking c-nt" who was toying with me and end up with another man who she then dangled in front of me. And it's hard to stay upbeat and positive if you had, for example, five bad experiences in a row (which can happen quite easily).

And it's true that women tend to be f-cked up. Like Doc said in the interview with DeAngelo, there's an epidemic of low self-esteem among women. They have problems with anorexia, bulimia, depression, but at the same time they are pressured by culture to be strong, independent women. So what happens is, you have a bunch of insecure women running around pretending to herself and others they're independent by being a b-tch.

But the thing is, that's their problem and we really can't do nothing about it, since one cannot control other person (this is, of course, one of those constructive things which were already said here 100 times).

Instead of focusing on women and their unfairness (they DO want an upper hand in dealings with men, they are generally not interested in fairness), we will do ourselves a big favor if we start to focus on constructive thoughts, beliefs and positive emotions. These things can be controlled, but it takes emotional & mental effort. But have you notice something? When you think negatively (about some woman, for example) for longer period of time, you feel exhausted. It drains you energy. So much better to use this energy to fight these negative thoughts.

To offer you a personal advice, avoid girls who are regulars in bars and clubs & who are dressed up all perfect. You know, where everything is just right down to the last tiny detail. My theory is, they're actually trying to hide their flaws with the perfect package. Now, I'm sure there are some good ones among those, but you'll have to weed through a lot of bad ones to get to them, and quite frankly, seeing all this complaining, I don't think your skin is thick enough for that.

To finish this, I kinda made the whole circle back to Joy-toy's (he he) posts. Look, we always have a choice. If a woman is lying and manipulating you, you can walk away anytime. You don't have to stick around. I know, I know... You'll have to approach new women, experience rejections, feeling second-rate... I'm not saying it's easy, but it's the only way.

You can choose not to get married, so she can't take your money. If she leaves you because you refuse to get married, she doesn't love you. So let her leave. Or, you can be like Joy-toy's sister's hubby. What a wonderful life that must be!

 

[parrot84]

Instead of focusing on women and their unfairness (they DO want an upper hand in dealings with men, they are generally not interested in fairness), we will do ourselves a big favor if we start to focus on constructive thoughts, beliefs and positive emotions. These things can be controlled, but it takes emotional & mental effort. But have you notice something? When you think negatively (about some woman, for example) for longer period of time, you feel exhausted. It drains you energy. So much better to use this energy to fight these negative thoughts.

make 80% or more of your goals in life never to have to do with any WOMAN!

To offer you a personal advice, avoid girls who are regulars in bars and clubs & who are dressed up all perfect. You know, where everything is just right down to the last tiny detail. My theory is, they're actually trying to hide their flaws with the perfect package. Now, I'm sure there are some good ones among those, but you'll have to weed through a lot of bad ones to get to them, and quite frankly, seeing all this complaining, I don't think your skin is thick enough for that.

LOL.. that's my BPD AW! she used to dress like a sweet innocent girl, till she fycked up my brains with her manipulative behavior, later to find out she was a prostitute! :trouble:

 

[KontrollerX]

"For a man to lie, cheat, and manipulate, to do whatever it takes to get the girl, in other words, sacrificing his self-respect and dignity - how is that different from a beta male?"

Its different because the guy that comes onto a forum like this or say Player Supreme's Zenmack forum to give an example completely changes his life.

He gets confidence in himself that he never had before and remakes himself into a pimp.

He can then decide for himself from his new changed life perspective of whether he wants to go the morality crew DJ route of marriage as goal and being truthful with the women he is courting to be his lifetime partner.

He has a newfound awareness basically of his choices and value as a man that he never had before.

A DJ player on the other hand can carry out the player life in many different ways from being the cool, smooth manipulative liar DJ to being the smooth cool morality DJ and utilizing Rollo's plate spinning theory which means you date many different women from an open and honest position with them that you and they are not exclusive. This prevents you and the woman from being cheaters as you are both in a non exclusive agreement.

The point is so long as a DJ never sacrifices himself for a woman in either case he can't possibly be a beta male or operating from an AFC mentality and more importantly once again so long as the recovering AFC has remade his life to where he believes in himself now he can play the DJ game however he wants either morality crew or ice cold immoral player and not be an AFC beta male.

The oldschool crew here polluted the message of what it was to be a DJ from the beginning with their AFC hyper morality clap trap when the place is modelled after the Don Juan character and who was Don Juan as a character but an immoral libertine who used whatever tactics he deemed could score him some hot poon?

Not being moral doesn't mean you're suddenly an AFC or a beta male.

It means you finally understand that when it comes to intimate relationships women act from a highly amoral sense out of their own selfish self preservation needs and that especially includes that of any genetic offspring they are planning to have in the future.

This doesn't mean that women lack any semblance of morals of right and wrong in their interactions entirely as the reactionary retards always jump to the conclusion of when reading these kinds of outside the box style thinking posts.

Again just in relationships they are viscious ruthless mercenaries.

Everywhere else they are sugar and spice and everything nice as we were taught as AFC's as when it comes to their cousins, brothers and emasculated she-male friends they are often times more loyal to these sorts of men than the guy's own guy friends are to him.

"You know, I come to this board very rarely these days, because it's kinda waste of time. All the constructive things were already said by "the legends" like Pook and Mr. Fingers."

Only one of those guys is a legend and his name starts with a P and ends with a k and this part of your message is irrelevant anyway as Tom Leykis was around preaching the gospel to lost AFC youths way before the seduction community got started and there's always going to be a new generation that needs to hear the good news.

So whats old hat to you and I is like manna from heaven to a starving young AFC who just turned 18.

So uh yeah the board and others like it will never be pointless so long as the human race is in existance.

"It seems this board became for many a place to express their anger and frustration, which is understandable, but pointless. Furthermore, it makes you sink deeper and deeper into bitterness. You know how depressed people are thinking depressing thoughts over and over which in turn makes them even more depressed? Well, constant b-tching and complaining about women's fickle ways works the same."

Uh I don't know what Sosuave you've been reading but the current one is all about helping young AFC's pull themselves out of the mire of mental fog and become DJ's.

The current Sosuave is also all about less magical thinking less pollyannish positivity and more focused on solutions that work as well digging deeper into what makes both men and women tick.

So you can either catch up with the times and give back to the community and help some young guys pull themselves out of the ditch or you can head on over to NextLevelGame.net and find that other guy you consider a legend and read the crap that he and his forum posts.

Its mostly a circle jerk and a personality cult around him over there but from he and his NLG simpletons you'll get all the collectivism, magical thinking, pollyannish positivity and pseudo half baked Zen fortune cookie ramblings that you can stand not to mention conspiracy theories about how Sosuave moderator Rollo Tomassi controls everything and will shut them down one day soon with maybe his plasma ray or something.