Drugs in the Water

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Aside from the social programming and screwed up economy around us, you have to wonder why so many people are depressed and mentally fuct up. This very well may be a factor:

Wired News said:
A vast array of pharmaceuticals (AP) -- including antibiotics, anti-convulsants, mood stabilizers and sex hormones - have been found in the drinking water supplies of at least 41 million Americans, an Associated Press investigation shows.

To be sure, the concentrations of these pharmaceuticals are tiny, measured in quantities of parts per billion or trillion, far below the levels of a medical dose. Also, utilities insist their water is safe.

But the presence of so many prescription drugs - and over-the-counter medicines like acetaminophen and ibuprofen - in so much of our drinking water is heightening worries among scientists of long-term consequences to human health.

In the course of a five-month inquiry, the AP discovered that drugs have been detected in the drinking water supplies of 24 major metropolitan areas - from Southern California to Northern New Jersey, from Detroit to Louisville, Ky.

Water providers rarely disclose results of pharmaceutical screenings, unless pressed, the AP found. For example, the head of a group representing major California suppliers said the public "doesn't know how to interpret the information" and might be unduly alarmed.
How do the drugs get into the water?

People take pills. Their bodies absorb some of the medication, but the rest of it passes through and is flushed down the toilet. The wastewater is treated before it is discharged into reservoirs, rivers or lakes. Then, some of the water is cleansed again at drinking water treatment plants and piped to consumers. But most treatments do not remove all drug residue.

And while researchers do not yet understand the exact risks from decades of persistent exposure to random combinations of low levels of pharmaceuticals, recent studies - which have gone virtually unnoticed by the general public - have found alarming effects on human cells and wildlife.

"We recognize it is a growing concern and we're taking it very seriously," said Benjamin H. Grumbles, assistant administrator for water at the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
Members of the AP National Investigative Team reviewed hundreds of scientific reports, analyzed federal drinking water databases, visited environmental study sites and treatment plants and interviewed more than 230 officials, academics and scientists. They also surveyed the nation's 50 largest cities and a dozen other major water providers, as well as smaller community water providers in all 50 states.

Here are some of the key test results obtained by the AP:

-Officials in Philadelphia said testing there discovered 56 pharmaceuticals or byproducts in treated drinking water, including medicines for pain, infection, high cholesterol, asthma, epilepsy, mental illness and heart problems. Sixty-three pharmaceuticals or byproducts were found in the city's watersheds.

-Anti-epileptic and anti-anxiety medications were detected in a portion of the treated drinking water for 18.5 million people in Southern California.

-Researchers at the U.S. Geological Survey analyzed a Passaic Valley Water Commission drinking water treatment plant, which serves 850,000 people in Northern New Jersey, and found a metabolized angina medicine and the mood-stabilizing carbamazepine in drinking water.

-A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

-The drinking water for Washington, D.C., and surrounding areas tested positive for six pharmaceuticals.

-Three medications, including an antibiotic, were found in drinking water supplied to Tucson, Ariz.

The situation is undoubtedly worse than suggested by the positive test results in the major population centers documented by the AP.

The federal government doesn't require any testing and hasn't set safety limits for drugs in water. Of the 62 major water providers contacted, the drinking water for only 28 was tested. Among the 34 that haven't: Houston, Chicago, Miami, Baltimore, Phoenix, Boston and New York City's Department of Environmental Protection, which delivers water to 9 million people.

Some providers screen only for one or two pharmaceuticals, leaving open the possibility that others are present.
Could Americans be drinking their way to insanity and sexual distortion?

Read more here:

http://news.wired.com/dynamic/stori...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-03-10-09-17-35
 

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A sex hormone was detected in San Francisco's drinking water.

lol, of course

That is a very interesting story, though. Pill pushing is big business these days. Now the pharm companies will need to hire environmental analysts to explain to us that there is no problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

one thing everyone is encouraged to consume is the ubiquitous drug, soma. Soma is a mild hallucinogen that makes it possible for everyone to be blissfully oblivious. It has no short-term side effects and induces no hangover, however, long-term abuse leads to death by respiratory failure.
 

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An interesting read...

I remember reading about how women taking the pill would end up increasing levels of estrogen in our drinking water due to it not being toxic (and therefore not being filtered out of water), which has been touched upon in this article.
It's fairly chilling to read these kind of stories, reminds me of those crazy arguments about the government putting drugs in our food (although this situation reeks of negligence rather than intent).

I've never really drank tap water, so at least I can be slightly relieved. I wonder the extent of the effects on the general populous. I'm sure future studies will reveal this, while the situation only gets worse. Nevertheless, I'm sticking to drinking spring water.
 

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So much for the old "should not be handled by women who are, or who may become pregnant" warnings... and all other warnings for that matter. So much for drug tests, too!

Got meth?-- you do now...

I'm glad that I only drink well water.


Thanx for the link, BB. I love Aldous Huxley!
 

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I remember the time in my very early twenties when I believed a conspiracy theory that fluoride in water was killing 50,000 people a year; as the reasoning went, fluoride in the body accumulates over time and reaches fatal amounts in some rather vulnerably unlucky people, and due to some convoluted story there is some industrial conspiratorial cover-up. I came to realize I had been bamboozled by the fringe and, along with some other realized bamboozlements, I began exercising--not excising--skepticism.

Earlier today I had read the AP article on CNN and I do not doubt the veracity of the research that trace amounts of medicine are found in city supplies of drinking water. I do, however, doubt why I or anyone else should be scared. As stated in the article, causative effects are unestablished. The linkage to environmental estrogens is, to date, spurious. What of the estrogens of plastics?

Every week, it seems, the news media warns of some new perilous danger in everyday life and, as I always say, I wouldn't be surprised if next week it's dangerous to sit in a chair. Journalists are notoriously not the most scientifically literate of folks, are always needing to justify their mostly unnecessary existence by filling-in the news gap, and tend to be contacted by fringe groups. Granted, this AP research seems to have been carefully thought out, but at the end of the day they admit "So much is unknown. Many independent scientists are skeptical that trace concentrations will ultimately prove to be harmful to humans."

I understand the need to raise an early alarm if the concerns pan out, but in the meantime I will gulp down every glass of water with no less confidence.
 

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Bible_Belt said:
one thing everyone is encouraged to consume is the ubiquitous drug, soma. Soma is a mild hallucinogen that makes it possible for everyone to be blissfully oblivious. It has no short-term side effects and induces no hangover, however, long-term abuse leads to death by respiratory failure.
:up: Bible your my hero. one of my favorite books!
 

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I think distilled water just kills any organisms living in the water.

If you want truly pure water with no metals, living things or bad stuff of any type in it at all buy a reverse osmosis water filter. Its the same kind of filter that purifies the bottled water you can buy at stores.

Anyway I'm glad I don't have to drink any of this drug filled city water thanks to my getting well water that is purified through a regular filter.
 

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and people don't believe in conspiracy theories.

why don't you step out of your house for a moment, look up at the sky and look at all the chemtrails? we are not only being drugged by the water we drink but the air is full of poision as well.
 

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Kontroller, actually distillation involves totally evaporating water, then condensing it. This gives virtually pure H2O, since almost all contaminates and organisms do not evaporate at the same temperature as water, and are therefore left behind. I'm pretty sure it is the most effective way of producing literally pure water, just hydrogen and oxygen atoms.

I guess it's possible that some drugs will have a similar boiling point to water and be evaporated and re-condensed, remaining in the distilled water, but that's pretty unlikely, so it's definitely the best sort of purification.

Not sure if it's really a practical solution though, some of the minerals in normal water are good for you, and drinking large quantities of distilled water can throw off your electrolyte balance.

As for drugs in drinking water, what were we expecting? Millions of people pissing it out for most of their lives, of course it's going to add up. I'm sure the concentration isn't dangerous yet, but it's really something we need to keep an eye on.
 

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SmoothTalker said:
Kontroller, actually distillation involves totally evaporating water, then condensing it. This gives virtually pure H2O, since almost all contaminates and organisms do not evaporate at the same temperature as water, and are therefore left behind. I'm pretty sure it is the most effective way of producing literally pure water, just hydrogen and oxygen atoms.

I guess it's possible that some drugs will have a similar boiling point to water and be evaporated and re-condensed, remaining in the distilled water, but that's pretty unlikely, so it's definitely the best sort of purification.

Not sure if it's really a practical solution though, some of the minerals in normal water are good for you, and drinking large quantities of distilled water can throw off your electrolyte balance.

As for drugs in drinking water, what were we expecting? Millions of people pissing it out for most of their lives, of course it's going to add up. I'm sure the concentration isn't dangerous yet, but it's really something we need to keep an eye on.

Well in addition I'm pretty sure the water that's going to be distilled is first ran through a reverse osmosis filter too, other wise it would leave a lot of junk and contaminates in the distiller.
 

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the sex hormones are from women washing their dildos in the sink.
 

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Wow to you if you really believe that people sh!tting out their medication is the reason there are so much chemicals in our DRINKING water. Do more research people. It's being done deliberately.
 

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Come now ThunderMaverick, do you honestly think the water you're drinking is completely pure? Maybe if you live by a mountain stream but for most of us.. Pretty much every city is downstream from someone else. And yes, a lot of medications are excreted in significant amounts through bodily wastes.

Waste water is treated when it comes out of the sewers, and then it's filtered and chlorinated before the next town drinks it, but it's definitely not pure.

If it was done intentionally, the dosage would need to be much higher for one thing.
 

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I'm hearing a lot about this lately. Funnily enough, I'm listening to a radio show that's talking about exactly this topic.

Even funnier, I turned on the radio right after finishing a chapter in a book that is talking about Phthalates in rivers, lakes, drinking water, etc. Phthalates are an endocrine disruptor that have been directly linked to causing premature puberty in girls(having to wear a bra at 8 years old) and delayed or stunted puberty in boys(phthalates block testosterone production and other androgens).

It's some pretty real stuff guys. For awhile there was speculation but very little evidence, only recently have scientists been able to come to conclusions about this stuff.

p.s. most water filters, including britta 'filters', and even treatment plants really only focus on taking microbes out of the water. The things that can make you sick shortly after ingesting. It's a much much harder process to detoxify water of trace chemicals(eg. 50 parts per billion), so its generally not done.

I would be more skeptical of this angle, but for the measurable affects that these chems are having on wildlife(alligators with shrivled testicles, male fish carrying eggs, etc), it makes you realize that humans are animals as well and no less susceptible to these chemicals.
 

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why don't you step out of your house for a moment, look up at the sky and look at all the chemtrails? we are not only being drugged by the water we drink but the air is full of poision as well.
I am a little skeptical of this though. More likely it's just cloud seeding. Cloud seeding is done all the time to displace storms or relieve drought... It's been a viable technology for decades.

When the chernobyl incident happened, the radioactive cloud started moving north towards russia. Russia sent a plane up and seeded the clouds with silver iodide to make the rain fall short, I forget where it fell but it seriously fvcked the population of the area it fell on.. Begins with a B i think. The russians never admitted it, until they let slip a formal 'thank you' to a pilot in the incident, and then the story leaked.

So yeah, chem trails are more likely to be cloud seeding(harmless) rather than poisonous gases.

edit: here's the chernobyl story
 

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SmoothTalker said:
Come now ThunderMaverick, do you honestly think the water you're drinking is completely pure? Maybe if you live by a mountain stream but for most of us.. Pretty much every city is downstream from someone else. And yes, a lot of medications are excreted in significant amounts through bodily wastes.

Waste water is treated when it comes out of the sewers, and then it's filtered and chlorinated before the next town drinks it, but it's definitely not pure.

If it was done intentionally, the dosage would need to be much higher for one thing.

It doesn't need to be a much higher dosage if it's enough for cumulative damage to take place. You won't find stanis fluoride in muddy water in a pond. You won't find hormones or medication waste in dirty streams or rivers. You don't get any of these kinds of manmade chemicals even in rusty pipes!! I don't by the reason being people s*tting out excess medication for one bit.
 
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