Don't pay for that BILL if she tries to make you pay.

[amoka]

I took this girl to a salsa dancing Sunday night and during the break, my date went to the bathroom and this woman came and started talking to me. We talked and exchanged numbers before my date could return from the bathroom. Talk about long bathroom break. Anyway, my plan with this new girl was for her to hangout with later if my date flakes on hanging-out with me. However, by the time the night ended at the salsa place, we all were tired. Took my date home, and went home.

The new chick called and we talked about five minutes and she was interested in knowing what I do... all I told her was "I am a coach."... "a relationship coach" when she wanted to know the type of coach I am.

The following morning, I sent her a text:
Amoka: "Lets go grab lunch..."
HB: "Where?"
Amoka: "At XXXXXXXX place."
HB: "Ok. When?"
Amoka: "1130... dress sexy"
HB: "OK. I am going to take a shower..."

An hour passed... it is almost 1110.

HB: "I am on the way..."
Amoka: "Sounds good... I'll see you when I get there."

I arrived... we ordered our food and we ate. This is where things got interesting. This b!tch thought I was going to take the tab to she ordered one of the most priciest item on the menu... so when the waitress came and wanted to know if she should combine the bill, I told her NO. She should separate it. Still this b!tch had hopes I will be paying her bills so when the waitress came with both bill, she stood up--went to the bathroom hoping by the time she comes back, her bill will be taking care of. Luckily, I had some cash in my wallet sufficient enough to take care of my bill.

So when she returned and realized her bill was still sitting on the table UNPAID, she was amazed. She did not say a word, but you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know that woman expect you to pay whenever you go out with her.

Anyway, to cut this story short, I ended going to her place that afternoon and fvcked the hell out of her. Then she was like...
HB: "I am surprised you did not even pay for MY bill"..
Amoka: "I thought you were going to take care of MINE..." Well, we had a great wild sex at her place... from the kitchen... to the bedroom, to the bathroom... lol.

 

[SoldMySoul]

When someone else is paying the bill I try and order something middle of the road to low end, so I can see why that would perturb you if she was ordering top shelf $hit. On the other hand it was kind of crappy of you not to pay. ONLY because you invited her. It is widely accepted whoever asks, PAYS!

I guess all is well since you hit it though.

 

[maqnetik]

going to a bar is not a date

 

[mrRuckus]

It is widely accepted whoever asks, PAYS!

No, it's not. I ask my friends to go out to eat all the time and no one ever expects me to pay.

Nice little system women have going there when they never ask.

My own personal rule is "whoever gets pregnant pays for the baby." No one ever seems to agree with that one.

 

[SoldMySoul]

No, it's not. I ask my friends to go out to eat all the time and no one ever expects me to pay.

Nice little system women have going there when they never ask.

My own personal rule is "whoever gets pregnant pays for the baby." No one ever seems to agree with that one.

Do your friends have something you want? Like a Golden Taco?
I have no problem at all keeping it cheap, but If I ask then I am prepared to pay. I would like to see if your friends asked you to eat and then expected you to pay. That would aggravate the $hit out of you.

I am talking about the first few dates here. Later on the woman better be grabbing a bill or two.

 

[Bluntmaster]

The OP sure seems frustrated for a man who just hit it.

I highly doubt he really hit it.

 

[ArcBound]

ONLY because you invited her. It is widely accepted whoever asks, PAYS!

When you invite someone on a date you are inviting someone to come along and have fun with you, why should you have to pay for her food on top of that? Sure you might pay so you don't appear cheap but if the girl doesn't at least offer to pay, and goes to the bathroom for long periods of time to avoid paying like in the OP's case then its obvious that she thinks you're a chump and wants you to shell out on her dinner.

 

[SoldMySoul]

The OP sure seems frustrated for a man who just hit it.

I highly doubt he really hit it.

I do agree. If I were the OP I would be glad I hit it because of coming off a cheap skate. LOOK!!!! Just because you pay, does not make you an AFC. Now if you continue with the charade then that is a different story. Start off very cheap with coffee or a drink or two at the bar.

After finally realizing what most women are about, it does not change the fact I am still me and try to be a gentleman.

Mr. Ruckus, I see what your point is about your friends though. It is a different story asking a women you are sexually interested in.

 

[SoldMySoul]

When you invite someone on a date you are inviting someone to come along and have fun with you, why should you have to pay for her food on top of that? Sure you might pay so you don't appear cheap but if the girl doesn't at least offer to pay, and goes to the bathroom for long periods of time to avoid paying like in the OP's case then its obvious that she thinks you're a chump and wants you to shell out on her dinner.

If you put it out there like that then yes!!! Example: My friends and I are going XXXXX you want to hang out with us? I am just saying if you are interested in her is it going to kill you paying?

If you are specifically asking for a first date or so, then be a man and pay!

Arc, back when I was your age, there still was a thing called chivalry. I still try and possess it today. I stopped dating because of taking a break, but I highly doubt you are going on that many dates. Back when I was your age we seemed to get caught up in just one girl and stayed with her. Of course that has all changed and if I were randomly dating women it would be silly to be paying for all those dates.

 

[cordoncordon]

Bunch of cheap azzes around here, damn.

 

[Chromeo]

I was just in this position the other week. And I had the exact same issues OP had.

I do not mind offering to pay, but as soon as they expect you to pay and you realize it, you think to yourself "f this broad I aint payin for her"

you feel insulted like she is just trying to use you for a meal.

So do you refuse? obviously it worked out for this guy. or do you be a gentleman, pay, and a. see what happens next time. b. ask her to pay next time or c. refuse her next date

there is also option d. in that you just man up and pay and weed out the women you think are just into you for a free meal.

 

[SoldMySoul]

Bunch of cheap azzes around here, damn.

Well man, you know it is a different story letting a women continuing to use you, but having proper etiquette never hurt anyone. That is some our problems now. People stopped caring about others in a logical empathy sort of sense.

If I ask a women I want to bang out, I will pay the bill as long as I was smart to begin with a kept it cheap.

 

[teacha]

If you are specifically asking for a first date or so, then be a man and pay!

what does being a man have anything to do with it? Im a firm believer in women's equal rights; the right to pay for her own sh!t.

I do agree. If I were the OP I would be glad I hit it because of coming off a cheap skate. LOOK!!!! Just because you pay, does not make you an AFC. Now if you continue with the charade then that is a different story. Start off very cheap with coffee or a drink or two at the bar.

you make it sound like she did him a favor by having sex with him. Stop putting that pu$$y on a pedestal and some of you guys need to stop with the shaming tactics (cheap skate, cheap azzez etc), i expect that sh!t from women only.

To the OP: Stop taking women on dates where you have to pay, im pretty sure there are loads of stuff to do that don't involve losing your hard earnings to a stranger you barely even know.

 

[J Roc]

Hello AFC Tricks :rock:

 

[Following_of_Me]

If the bill concerns you that much, take her to cheaper places. Whether or not you pay for her is up to you and how she chooses to react to that is entirely up to her. Not entirely a big deal in itself, its just a meal.

However, in your post you tend to use the word "b1tch" a lot... kind of unnecessary. You got laid, we get it. So what if you didn't pay, no real reason to act like you're better than her... that's just hypocrisy. If you have such a negative view of woman, you might have the wrong forum. Being a man and being a player are two different things. This forum only intends to teach one, so far as I understand.

 

[Trader]

When someone else is paying the bill I try and order something middle of the road to low end, so I can see why that would perturb you if she was ordering top shelf $hit.

Exactly

On the other hand it was kind of crappy of you not to pay. ONLY because you invited her. It is widely accepted whoever asks, PAYS!

Wrong. Remember, I am all about etiquette, but I do not make etiquette my God. Clearly she was just trying to exploit him by ordering the most expensive item on the menu, therefore *etiquette* is thrown out the window.

Again, stay classy, but there are times when you need to throw *class* out the window and take a hammer and smash the other person over the head with it.

This is where discernment comes into play. I agree with the OP's *power play*

I guess all is well since you hit it though.

I disagree with the OP hitting it, she does not deserve my precious semen

 

[Joe Stud]

I'm with Chromeo, I pay if I asked her. We are NOT equal. For example: most HB8's & up usually wont call the man. Men are the persuers, the hunters, and yes... sometimes the caretakers. The cavemen went out for food and provided for their families. We still evolve from them.

Chivalry doesn't necessarily make you an AFC.
I also would like to think that MOST HB8's would rather eat a bologna sandwich & stay home... rather than get all dressed up/made up & go out with a guy she has no sexual interest in, just for a free meal. Most, not all.

Dont forget they can make one phone call and get laid in 20 minutes, by any amount of guys. Most of us can't do it quite that easy.

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: HER MEAL IS MAYBE $30. NOW TO ME, FOR $30, SHE IS GOING TO APPRECIATE ME. MAYBE JUST A WEE BIT OF OBLIGATION (Like when a salesman takes a client golfing). I choose to opt for that, and hold my head up high.

I mean if a guy is going to spend his time here on this forum to learn more about getting laid, why not further a $30 investment, when you have the "client" sitting across from you, ready to "buy"?

But IMPORTANT note: I agree with Chromeo's "d" sentence: If shes a digger, I will weed her a$$ out but quick!

 

[Alle_Gory]

Who cares? He didn't pay for the meal and he f*cked her too.

Sounds like everything went smoothly.

 

[CaptainJ]

Who cares? He didn't pay for the meal and he f*cked her too.

Sounds like everything went smoothly.

^^This

 

[Galactus]

Why spend so much time talking about how to do something no one really wants to do?

I've always preferred it when I could meet a hot woman, go back to my place, pop in a video, and be hitting the pu$$y before the movie ends.

I understand sometimes it doesn't work that way. Some women have more self-respect, blah blah blah. But a good relationship with an upstanding woman can be generated out of practicing the above habit. You don't have to chat her up for an hour and a half just to get her number, nurse a boner for two days, call her, set up a date, drive to get her, hope you didn't get stood up, drive her to a restaurant, listen to her go on about her job, her ex, her love for the plays of Arthur Miller, while she rams a Cobb salad and a stir-fry into her gaping maw, a meal you're paying for, then maybe you end up going to see some mind-numbing Jennifer Aniston flick because you didn't even get to pick the movie, and Jennifer keeps her clothes on the whole time, then you drive her home, and maybe you get laid, maybe not, because of course she doesn't have to give you a return on your investment if she chooses not to.

If you absolutely can't get pu$$y for free, or at least no more than a cup of coffee, then go find a street wh0re and slip her a twenty. Then wrap your johnson and get your money's worth. That's not desperation, that's just good sense.