Does the orbiter exist?

[Barrister]

What you just said didn't make any sense. According to you, it was a business associate where she felt the *need* to meet up with because of work, which was one of the few exceptions I actually gave. Then you said she was there for validation. Well, which was it? Was she there because she had to, or because she wanted to? Sounds like you don't really know.

Then you said she eventually got into a relationship with a former "orbiter".

So in other words, she voluntarily met one of these guys OUTSIDE of school or work, alone, just going to take a wild guess and say they had drinks or dinner at some point.... and slept together.

You just proved my point 1000%

I reread your post and understand maybe some of the confusion. When I said “she felt the need” meet up - this is more her female need for validation. Not her boss saying “come have a drink with me or you’re fired” need to go out. She was her own boss. She was meeting these guys under the guise of “business” and “networking” when in fact it was for validation.

 

[Sir FB]

That is just messed up, but it sounds like you dodged a bullet. Such a cold and heartless woman.

I take full responsibility for what happened. Act like a beta, get treated like a beta. I have no resentment against this woman, she treated me exactly as I asked to be treated. When I woke up a bit and wanted something different, she had no responsibility to change a scenario that I put in motion.

 

[Robert28]

Maybe you have had to be one to understand. I have this horrible memory less than a year ago about sleeping in the same bed with a woman who said "no sex" and accepting it. Leading up to this I had done all sorts of things for her, put up a security camera, donated money to her charitable cause, all to try and get with her. It was classic beta behavior and only got me put in the friendzone, but as long as I was willing to play the "just friends" game she was fine with sleeping in the same room, going to dinner or whatever. The moment I refused to accept the friend zone and expressed romantic interest I got shamed for having sexual desire, un-friended and blocked on social media. Orbiters definitely exist.

She did you a massive favor. Would you really want to date a woman like that? I wouldn’t.

 

[manfrombelow]

I agree that we should not waste time re-inventing the wheels. Orbiters aka guys "hovering" around women they can't fvck do exist. Arguing against this is equivalent to crazy people arguing that the earth is flat. A waste of time.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I agree that we should not waste time re-inventing the wheels. Orbiters aka guys "hovering" around women they can't fvck do exist. Arguing against this is equivalent to crazy people arguing that the earth is flat. A waste of time.

Its like explaining to a flat earther that the world is round . A waste of time

 

[Robert28]

What age of women are we talking about? Women on their 20’s? Yeah they have orbiters, less than girls in highschool and college but they still have them. Women 30-34? This is where the drop off of orbiters occurs.

 

[SW15]

Women 30-34? This is where the drop off of orbiters occurs.

Those women have more orbiters than you think, though some of them actively push away orbiters while they are in husband/provider hunting mode.

 

[Realthangpoon]

It without a doubt exists. My last LTR had literally about 10 orbiters at any given time throughout our relationship. These men would have fu*ked her within a heartbeat if given the chance. And they constantly did nice things for her. These are not things you would do for one of your guy friends. But if you're dating a HB 7+ you have to expect orbiters to be in the picture to a certain extent. My last LTR I can say was a HB 8.5 and therefore this wasn't a surprise. I can say it became a problem a couple of times though.

My experience tells me that even the mediocre chicks now have as much or even more orbiters than the hot ones because a lot of guys are too intimidated to go for the really hot women. Which is a good thing if you have standards tho.

What a sick world we live in.

 

[Robert28]

You realize orbiters exist when you fuk a girl on the first date and she laughs about all the guys who take her on multiple dinner dates and try to get in her pants, and she rejects them, and how annoying she finds them. Then her phone will start buzzing with texts from the sexless orbiters saying "I really enjoyed our dinner date last night and I can't wait to see you again soon." Chick laughs and rolls her eyes.

Women HATE transactional sex. And Betas like you think sexual attraction is bought in exchange for dinner dates.

What betas fail to realise is that women put men into 2 categories:

1. Provider (Orbiter, Beta)
2. Lover (Alpha)

She gets the provisioning and the ability to use a man as an emotional tampon in the Provider, while giving him a reluctant handjob once per year.

She gets the tingles, gets treated like sh!t (which she loves - women love a challenge) and the sexual domination from the Alpha.

You'll only realise it when you experience it for yourself. Woman will never tell you this because they want the free dinners and are perfectly ok with being taken to dinner by a beta, getting her ego stroked and then laughing at his blue balls.

PUA bloggers and Dating Coaches didn't RedPill me to Female Nature. Women RedPilled me by showing me how they behave.

Why would any guy take a woman out to dinner he’s not sleeping with? Maybe if it’s a 2nd or 3rd date I can maybe understand it but you aren’t an orbiter then.

 

[Robert28]

I've always maintained that dinner-dates are privileges for woman who you are already banging. If she wants to go to a restaurant prior to banging then I'll order her tap water, and a steak for myself.

If she wants a meal then she gotta give up da pvssy first. And even then she's still paying for half our dinner ;-) because...you know, "equality" and she's a strong independent woman, ain't that right baby?

If the b!tch is hungry she can bring her ass over to my house and I’ll cook dinner. If she says no to that then she can go hungry I guess.

 

[bat soup]

Women do not meet up for drinks, go to dinner, or continually put themselves in situations with a guy they're not interested in.

Actually they do, especially if the guy is paying or listening to her blab.

 

[bat soup]

GreatHornedOwl is an interesting case study in Beta logic and hamster-ing. What he's written is all very logical when you have a complete lack of understanding of Female Nature. I can see how Betas fall into this female trap. It's very sad, but very preventable.

Yes, it's all very logical and therefore all very wrong because women are not logical.

 

[bat soup]

What guys don't understand is how much women love attention.

To a woman, how much attention she gets from men is like the value of her shares on the stock market.

 

[bat soup]

Women are logical when it comes to deriving their benefits using emotional manipulation to get freestuff from men. Betas just seem to be completely unable to comprehend female manipulation.

Yes, that's true. Their behaviour makes sense if you understand their intentions. Not if you assume that they think like men.

 

[ThisIsSparta]

Women do not meet up for drinks, go to dinner, or continually put themselves in situations with a guy they're not interested in. It's flawed logic. And I think both genders realize this. Think about it. A man is not going to be pursuing a woman unless he knows he has a shot with her. So if she's not interested, then he's not pursuing. Therefore, the orbiter does not exist.

Wrong.......... every man in a womans friendzone is an orbiter, waiting and hoping for his chance to fvck her.

Saying the orbiter doesnt exist is like saying the friendzone doesnt exist, which would be ridiculous.

 

[Robert28]

Wrong.......... every man in a womans friendzone is an orbiter, waiting and hoping for his chance to fvck her.

Saying the orbiter doesnt exist is like saying the friendzone doesnt exist, which would be ridiculous.

But feminist and simps claim the friendzone doesn’t exist.

 

[derby1]

But if you're dating a HB 7+ you have to expect orbiters to be in the picture to a certain extent. My last LTR I can say was a HB 8.5 and therefore this wasn't a surprise. I can say it became a problem a couple of times though.

so this confirms you as a male enter a relationship, but she still has a 24 hour dating app in her hand....

I bet your last dollar she didnt get rid of them?

someone sell me LTR's again?

 

[Velasco]

I bet your last dollar she didnt get rid of them?

Why would u want her to get rid of them? They only make you more attractive via the contrast principle and they give her the daily validation she needs (aka she wont constantly bug you about the lack of attention you give her).

 

[ThisIsSparta]

I bet your last dollar she didnt get rid of them?

That would mean clearing out her social media of every man but family.

 

[Modern Man Advice]

We don't have to reinvent the wheel Guys.
This forum is digging to deep into obvious behavior and is questioning everything.
Some stuff is quite interesting and other stuff not
We shouldn't be waisting our time on the obvious.
Let's step our game up and leave this second grade stuff behind us. Seriously.

Agreed! Danke schon!

Modern Man Advice