Does Nofap mean no masturbation urge or just enduring it?

[BaronOfHair]

Becoming better looking did nothing for my ability/desire for women, beyond them giving obvious signs and making it easy to escalate

Tantamount to saying "When I became the lone guy in my village who was armed with a Sig 1911+ a hefty supply of ammo, this achieved only two things... The machete wielding hoodlums who used to rob me every week stopped hassling me, and I was no longer getting my limbs chopped off"

Such gains are hardly insignificant

 

[SW15]

You need to research what dopamine is, the effects of fapping/porn on the brain (it is similar to heroin), the effects of nofap on testosterone, etc. The benefits are physiological and psychological.

When you remove artificial stimulus like porn and stop ejaculating multiple times a day, number one your dopamine resets to a normal level which makes regular things pleasurable and number two, you retain your seed (your life force) which gives you the energy and confidence to do more in life. All of this contributes to your increased charisma, wit, etc.

I have literally stopped for 30 days and I felt like I was on speed (and yes, I've tried speed). The amount of energy I had, the desire to be social, the eye contact, the deeper voice, the mental sharpness, lack of brain fog, better sleep quality, all of these things were very real.

I have felt many of these things. The mental sharpness and the lack of brain fog were most notable for me. I did experience a desire to do more approaching in the early days of nofap and no porn, but that somewhat subsided over time.

The reason so many people doubt the benefits of nofap is because they are simply recreational users of porn/masturbation and when they stop, they don't notice much difference. They were never addicted to begin with. Fapping 3-5x a week or even 10x a week is nothing. People like me, I was fapping 3-5x a DAY for well over a decade, since I hit puberty. Do the math - 5x a week for a year is 260 faps. 4x a day is 1460 faps. Not to mention the amount of porn usage in both scenarios - 5x a week @ 30 minutes a session is 130 hours of porn, whereas 4x a day is 730 hours.

You are ignoring the amount of stimulus received when comparing a true addict to someone who is a recreational user. The combination of extreme overstimulus from porn and the extreme dopamine rush from fapping is deadly. This is one reason why porn is released in countries during war as a weapon to destroy the enemy. It completely pacifies them.

Before I went on no porn and nofap, my masturbation levels were lower than yours. It wasn't a good habit for me and I'm glad that I broke it.

I did see benefits in no porn and nofap but I wasn't as bad as someone averaging 4 masturbation sessions per day.

Getting in excellent shape is more meaningful in attracting women than being a no porn/nofap guy. However, the discipline from a no porn/nofap practice is a skill that can help someone have the discipline to exercise enough to build a good physique and eat the right diet.

Another good lifestyle practice to go along with no porn and nofap is not eating processed foods.

 

[forcerecon01]

I have felt many of these things. The mental sharpness and the lack of brain fog were most notable for me. I did experience a desire to do more approaching in the early days of nofap and no porn, but that somewhat subsided over time.



Before I went on no porn and nofap, my masturbation levels were lower than yours. It wasn't a good habit for me and I'm glad that I broke it.

I did see benefits in no porn and nofap but I wasn't as bad as someone averaging 4 masturbation sessions per day.

Getting in excellent shape is more meaningful in attracting women than being a no porn/nofap guy. However, the discipline from a no porn/nofap practice is a skill that can help someone have the discipline to exercise enough to build a good physique and eat the right diet.

Another good lifestyle practice to go along with no porn and nofap is not eating processed foods.

I totally agree

 

[HaleyBaron]

Men need sexual release in general. My sexual releases happen in sex and wet dreams. I understand the feeling of needing a release.

Nofap and no porn can help in the short term with being more aggressive on approaches. There can be more motivation to do approaches. Over time, the initial spike in motivation to do approaches does subside even when a nofap and no porn practice continues.

Nofap and no porn are good practices but they alone won't help with attracting more women.

The best life practice for attracting more women and getting more women to want to have sex is getting very physically fit and having a physique that turns them on. It can be difficult to get to that fitness level. It requires a lot of time spent lifting weights and possibly being involved in 1 or more sports on a recreational basis.

Physical fitness is definitely the easy way. The way girls just stare at your chest and abs while you're talking with you is one of the best self esteem boosts you can get.

 

[corrector]

Defensive tone? I have no idea what you're referring to. You doubted my thesis, I defended it, simple as that.

If you are 48 years old and not on testosterone supplements your testosterone is likely so low that whether or not you fap you would notice zero difference. Not fapping in middle age likely doesn't matter because biologically (not mentally) your urge to procreate is likely gone, so retaining your seed wouldn't do much for you unless you were emptying it regularly to begin with. Ignoring that, if you don't fap to begin with or even look at porn, there's no reason you would notice a difference. You are already at baseline. For me though, my testosterone even in my mid 30s is 1000+ with plenty of free test. Fapping does reduce that by quite a bit so the effects of abstinence are very noticeable.

The benefits of nofap that I listed - energy, desire to be social, eye contact, deeper voice, mental sharpness, lack of brain fog, better sleep quality - these things do not create charisma or wit, but they prime your body to be at a level at which you can actually tap into those qualities. That's my point. It's very difficult to have those qualities when you feel completely drained from fapping.

It's kind of like drugs - take a guy who's addicted to something and force him off of it, he will have withdrawal symptoms and over time feel a lot better, but if you take a guy who's never been addicted to it, he's not going to notice anything different.

The reason so many people doubt the benefits of nofap is because they are simply recreational users of porn/masturbation and when they stop, they don't notice much difference. They were never addicted to begin with. Fapping 3-5x a week or even 10x a week is nothing. People like me, I was fapping 3-5x a DAY for well over a decade, since I hit puberty. Do the math - 5x a week for a year is 260 faps. 4x a day is 1460 faps. Not to mention the amount of porn usage in both scenarios - 5x a week @ 30 minutes a session is 130 hours of porn, whereas 4x a day is 730 hours.

You are ignoring the amount of stimulus received when comparing a true addict to someone who is a recreational user. The combination of extreme overstimulus from porn and the extreme dopamine rush from fapping is deadly. This is one reason why porn is released in countries during war as a weapon to destroy the enemy. It completely pacifies them.

You've answered the question about how it links to social skills. Thanks. I do have a journal and have been monitoring fapping/porn behaviour since I was 30 years old, or 2006. I can say since I've monitored this from 2006 to now, which spans 18 years, where I had watched porn/fapped in some times, and other times I have not, I have not noticed any difference in either behaviour during the past 18 years. During that time, I did have a girlfriend in 2012 and wife in 2014, both are exes, and those events happened at times I was recreationally fapping and looking at porn. However, perhaps I was never a true addict and just a recreational user.

 

[itouchyou]

You've answered the question about how it links to social skills. Thanks. I do have a journal and have been monitoring fapping/porn behaviour since I was 30 years old, or 2006. I can say since I've monitored this from 2006 to now, which spans 18 years, where I had watched porn/fapped in some times, and other times I have not, I have not noticed any difference in either behaviour during the past 18 years. During that time, I did have a girlfriend in 2012 and wife in 2014, both are exes, and those events happened at times I was recreationally fapping and looking at porn. However, perhaps I was never a true addict and just a recreational user.

Count yourself lucky, friend. If I could go back in time and never get caught up in porn, my life would be drastically better. Not that it's bad now, but I definitely limited my potential in all areas of life.

 

[needimprovement250]

It’s interesting that OP is having the problems that he has because I’m a porn and masturbation addict and it has caused me to have porn induced ED. I’m actually kind of afraid to get intimate with women because I might not be able to get it up. This can happen because your brain and body’s sexual responses are so used to porn and masturbation and not stimulation from real women that they cannot become aroused despite having no problem with arousal when watching porn.

Every time I try NoFap, I fail because I realize that women will not be interested in me anyway even if I do fix this issue.

 

[SW15]

It’s interesting that OP is having the problems that he has because I’m a porn and masturbation addict and it has caused me to have porn induced ED. I’m actually kind of afraid to get intimate with women because I might not be able to get it up. This can happen because your brain and body’s sexual responses are so used to porn and masturbation and not stimulation from real women that they cannot become aroused despite having no problem with arousal when watching porn.

Every time I try NoFap, I fail because I realize that women will not be interested in me anyway even if I do fix this issue.

You need to do nofap and no porn in order to make sure your penis is able to get erect on the chance you can seduce. It's a pre-requisite for actually participating in Game.

Nofap and no porn alone won't make you a master seducer. It's a good practice but you are also going to need to fix other elements of your life.

Always remember that Game is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Nofap and no porn affects looks (how your penis appears) and your personality.

Looks is always #1 of the 4 factors.

 

[corrector]

Nofap and no porn affects looks (how your penis appears)

You are saying this actually increases the size of it through your pants? Otherwise pre-bedroom, how would that actually matter? If it's pre-bedroom then you can put tissue or something there that makes it look larger. Women do that all the time if they don't have breast mass.

 

[HaleyBaron]

You are saying this actually increases the size of it through your pants? Otherwise pre-bedroom, how would that actually matter? If it's pre-bedroom then you can put tissue or something there that makes it look larger. Women do that all the time if they don't have breast mass.

It does. He's not wrong. And women look more than you think down there, especially if she likes the guy. I've had it happen to me several times. And it happens a lot at beaches. Penis size subconsciously tells women that it's mating time.

 

[SW15]

Nofap and no porn affects looks (how your penis appears)

You are saying this actually increases the size of it through your pants?

The answer to your question is generally no.

However, there are some exceptions.

Nofap and no porn can create more spontaneous erections due to better dopamine reception in the brain. The brain will instruct the penis to get erect without porn and based on some real life stimulant. Nofap and no porn can help with producing fuller erections with stronger blood flow. Diet and exercise also help with this.

The beach is a good place for this to happen. Also, this will help with pickup at commercialized pool parties, which serve as dayclubs. We have a good thread on dayclub commercialized pool party seductions.

Getting Laid as a Result of Going to Pool Parties

After using the Search function here, I realize that there hasn't been a lot of discussion about getting laid as a result of going to pool parties. The lay doesn't have to happen on the same day as the pool party, but at some time after meeting a woman at a pool party. Let me be more specific...

www.sosuave.net

Otherwise pre-bedroom, how would that actually matter? If it's pre-bedroom then you can put tissue or something there that makes it look larger.

This isn't a pre-bedroom thing for the most part. This is a moment of sex thing. As men, we go through a lot of things in order to get the sex. At the moment of sex, having a full erection that looks strong is going to be good. Most men won't impress women with their penis size. Most men have normal range penises. A normal range penis size with strong blood flow that looks full will be visually impressive to women and feel good to them in penetration, provided that foreplay got them excited.

A guy with a normal sized penis has the potential to give women strong orgasms.

 

[needimprovement250]

You need to do nofap and no porn in order to make sure your penis is able to get erect on the chance you can seduce. It's a pre-requisite for actually participating in Game.

Nofap and no porn alone won't make you a master seducer. It's a good practice but you are also going to need to fix other elements of your life.

Always remember that Game is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality. Nofap and no porn affects looks (how your penis appears) and your personality.

Looks is always #1 of the 4 factors.

Yeah I know because there’s no point in any of it if you can’t get erect anyway and most men (myself included) don’t want to rely on ED meds to be able to seduce.

NoFap and no porn does increase your cravings for real sex the further into it you get, and that’s where it usually all falls apart for me and makes me relapse because the other elements of my life are in bad shape and will probably cause women to lose interest.

Game is a combination of those things, and I am down about 40 pounds in terms of looks and I want to find the time to do some muscle training/building, but money and status are my two big problems. For money, I do DoorDash and also work a series of seasonal jobs 9 months out of the year. For status, it’s low because I still live at home with my parents at 31, have never had a girlfriend or dated anyone, and I don’t have a social circle of any kind.

So my current life situation keeps me a porn addict.

 

[corrector]

It’s interesting that OP is having the problems that he has because I’m a porn and masturbation addict and it has caused me to have porn induced ED.

You don't know that because you don't have a woman to test that out with in the first place. Therefore that is purely speculative.

I’m actually kind of afraid to get intimate with women because I might not be able to get it up.

Again, how would you know that unless you are with a woman in the first place? That is purely speculative.

Doesn't the mind always come up with reasons not to approach? That's another one of a zillion reasons.

This can happen because your brain and body’s sexual responses are so used to porn and masturbation and not stimulation from real women that they cannot become aroused despite having no problem with arousal when watching porn.

But you need a woman to be interested in you in the first place to test out that theory. If you had a real life nude woman you like next to you, you are saying you really would not be aroused? How would you know that? Did that actually happen to you? Can you think of any real life example with a woman you had ED with in the past year?

Every time I try NoFap, I fail because I realize that women will not be interested in me anyway even if I do fix this issue.

That's a good reason to fail. After all, if you can't get a real woman in the first place then it nofap is not helpful advice. Even those people who promote nofap, on this board, still get laid with women and have an outlet. If you can't get a woman period, then it's not really fair for them to start giving the same advice to incels because we don't have an outlet.

However, I digress, you are an addict, I'm an occasional recreational user (not doing this now or recently) and there are allot of videos that show that it's a problem with what this does with your brain because there is too much extreme dopamine stimulation, and too much drained/strained/fatigued brain, and as an addict will make you feel terrible. The reason I'm an occasional recreational user (not doing this now or recently) is I had to discipline myself against being an actual addict in the past otherwise I'd have to get rid of the whole thing. If I were a true addict, I'd have to stop it cold turkey on the principle that I can't allow something like that to control me and it would have no meaning as a vent against rejection from women with me. It would become meaningless and something to be eliminated. However, as a vent that (ie "women do not like me therefore on xyz date in the future I'll watch softcore or whatever porn and fap because I can't attract a woman in real life") makes it a recreational use with me rather than addictive.