Does it make sence to use a PT?

[corrector]

I've just signed up for like $ 4000 worth of Personal Training sessions at the gym with the belief that if I improve my body that I'll have an easier and more fluid time connecting with women. Now, I'm second-guessing this and wondering if it's worth it with me.

I'm 36 years old, but my face makes me look a bit yonger than I actually am. I think it's superficial to want to improve my body to attract women and fundamentally incompatable with my "deep" personality. Usually I feel mentally overwhelmed if I'm around a hot woman, or a bunch of women and need to take an "IO" (some bottle of stuff that you spray on) in order to beat this "overwhelmness". Then I'm thinking, maybe I should focus on "empathetic" connections rather than "superficial" emphasis and investment on my body since that mentality is sort of out of wack. I think I will only connect with some women on a very deep level, or I just do not care about superficial connections...so why would I want to make myself to appeal to many different women if I have a deep personality? I don't know if I'm really explaining myself well here.

I rarely go out to actually interact with women, when I do go out I'm usually with my mother most of the time, and am skeptical as to whether, if I'm faithful to the training program and diet, as to whether I'll have such a body that I can post a pic on POF or some dating site and get easy responses from women on there, or if this will translate into something.

I'm 5'11, 240 lbs, fat on the stomach and but have some improvement to posture since I started training. This may be a wierd thread, but it's the first thread I've posted on here. I've pretty much decided to continue with the program but these nagging doubts are in the back of my mind as to whether I'm being realistic since this is expensive.

 

[ATX1001]

If you can afford a PT then why not?

However they are only really good for 1 thing : motivation. I used a PT a few times and I definitely felt I had a more intense workout and I was forced to go to failure a lot more - eg. bicep curls with my 'normal' weight to failure, then half that for another 6 reps. Little tricks like this are great I think.

The other thing they are good for in the beginning is correcting your form and showing you how to use all the equipment properly. But you only need this for the first few weeks you start training, then after a couple of months to make sure you still have good form.

 

[corrector]

If you can afford a PT then why not?

In the negative sence of the term, sure. It won't max me out.

However they are only really good for 1 thing : motivation. I used a PT a few times and I definitely felt I had a more intense workout and I was forced to go to failure a lot more - eg. bicep curls with my 'normal' weight to failure, then half that for another 6 reps. Little tricks like this are great I think.

Of course. Not only that, but the body tends to get used to work-out routines and they become less effective over time. With a PT, you get a new work-out routine every time that targets major muscle areas and they usually go to failure and to intensity.

The other thing they are good for in the beginning is correcting your form and showing you how to use all the equipment properly. But you only need this for the first few weeks you start training, then after a couple of months to make sure you still have good form.

I understand that. It would be allot cheaper under this concept because I'd be on my own. I'm paying close to $ 70-80 per session but at heart want to see if my ultimate goals are realistic. Will this cut the mustard as far as women are concerned or is this a big dissapointment at the end of the day?

The goal of training, having seen there is some positive effect, is to have a body that women notice. Now, I'm not sure even that amount of money or 51 training sessions is enough to cut the mustard with that. Usually a gym has a tendency to "up-sell" you for more sessions once the sessions you are using up are over.

I've already taken about 12 sessions out of 51 so far but so far only my mother is noticing the results.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I rarely go out to actually interact with women, when I do go out I'm usually with my mother most of the time

so....stop it.

I'm 5'11, 240 lbs, fat on the stomach

Working out could keep you from, you know, dying and stuff. The idea that you care more about women indicates that you don't care very much about yourself. That's a much bigger problem than how you look.

 

[Groovy]

Why did you ask AFTER you signed up?

Low confidence, poor self esteem, I doubt very much you will solve these by going to the gym, but let's figure out. Sorry. If u want my suggestions on how to overcome then ask tho.

 

[corrector]

Why did you ask AFTER you signed up?

Buyer's remorse?

Low confidence, poor self esteem, I doubt very much you will solve these by going to the gym, but let's figure out. Sorry. If u want my suggestions on how to overcome then ask tho.

Well, it seems like a tricky issue however you cut that. In one sence, your confidence or self esteem tends to also go up if your healthy and your body is improved to the point you are getting more looks or an easier time with women.

Second, this is not about going to the gym. Anyone can go to the gym and thread water. This is about a personal trainer who claims if I follow his work-out lead my life will change. And about the person who signed me up that said I've completed "Phase One", and I'm on the cusp of major improvement and the ladies will notice near the end of the sessions. He said there are subtle changes now and my mom is able to notice them. Imagine later.

I'm listening to this and it sounds good overall. But, they have an incentive to pander to that motive since sex sells and they aren't going to make money if there is no "sex-carrot" to make me interested in that many sessions. That is fair enough. The real issue is if there really is a carrot.

 

[corrector]

I rarely go out to actually interact with women, when I do go out I'm usually with my mother most of the time

so....stop it.

My philosophy to this is if most areas in your life suck to attract women, to focus on another area to overcompensate for the other areas. The most logical thing is to work on the body since that is what women would see first and that is what I carry with me wherever I'm going.

Obviously, even if I have a great body and I stay at home and am on the internet most of the time and don't go out there, unless I put a pic of the "new look" up and it competes with other guys in what women see as attractive online (i.e. above average), then it still makes sence to me.

I'm 5'11, 240 lbs, fat on the stomach

Working out could keep you from, you know, dying and stuff. The idea that you care more about women indicates that you don't care very much about yourself. That's a much bigger problem than how you look.

But that sort of misses the point of this whole thread. Like I said anyone, and I mean anyone can exercise, go to the gym, etc.... and be in shape. Not everything I do is predicated on women. I enjoy bike riding because I just the nature, the air, and the different terrains. I also enjoy swimming and different exercises. I can even weight-train on my own. In other words, I do not need a personal trainer if I just want to have a joy ride by myself with weights and stuff in the gym and be healthy. My body may not be shaped in a way that gets dramatic results from the ladies, however.

The point is this trainer has made claims that he can morph my body a certain way -- the "beach boy" look and allot of sessions have been purchased on that premise. Obviously, I want to get more looks and have an easier time with women to the point it effects my ego or confidence. The issue would be how realistic is this goal at the end of the day.

 

[Groovy]

If u have depression and low self esteem u could have low testosterone. That's what worries me bro. if u have low testosterone why are u going to do exercise? U won't build muscle u will just exhaust yourself and become even worse, sry, that's just what seems logical to happen. u are so impulsive, u signed a 4000 dollar contract before u tought it all out with ur truley internet buddies at so suave.(just joking! haha). anyway, i think u did great and I command u for trying to improve your body, BUT, I wonder if you paid a high price, and I suggest that if u have depression, insecurity, low self esteem that u get that taken care of with medicine (cuz if u are insecure for no reasno that can be a hormonal disorder, that I doubt going to the gym will fix. I suggest herbs to raise testosterone or something of that kind.). But let's see where this goes. You're rich right bro?

Keep us posted dude!

 

[corrector]

If u have depression and low self esteem u could have low testosterone.

No I wouldn't say that.

That's what worries me bro. if u have low testosterone why are u going to do exercise? U won't build muscle u will just exhaust yourself and become even worse, sry, that's just what seems logical to happen.

I doubt this scenario is true. The reason why I bought more sessions is because there appeared to be a material body improvement and I saw potential for more. If I didn't see a potential then we wouldn't be having this discussion.

u are so impulsive, u signed a 4000 dollar contract before u tought it all out with ur truley internet buddies at so suave.(just joking! haha).

No, I bought a $ 2000 contract then I bought another $ 2000 contract when I was encouraged by the results based on my mom's feedback of my body.

 

[Bible_Belt]

I do not need a personal trainer if I just want to have a joy ride by myself with weights and stuff in the gym and be healthy. My body may not be shaped in a way that gets dramatic results from the ladies, however.

Let's not kid ourselves, having a gut is not healthy, and if you did any of those things enough, then you wouldn't have the gut.

And you said hanging out with mom is bad for getting women, but you're going to keep doing it anyway? It doesn't matter if you are ripped, being a momma's boy is not going to attract girls.

Your paralysis by analysis reminds me of a previous poster on here, Luke Skywalker. You're not him, right?

 

[corrector]

I do not need a personal trainer if I just want to have a joy ride by myself with weights and stuff in the gym and be healthy. My body may not be shaped in a way that gets dramatic results from the ladies, however.

Let's not kid ourselves, having a gut is not healthy, and if you did any of those things enough, then you wouldn't have the gut.

If you are calling me a liar than there's no point in continuing this discussion. Right now you just sound like a hater.

And you said hanging out with mom is bad for getting women, but you're going to keep doing it anyway? It doesn't matter if you are ripped, being a momma's boy is not going to attract girls.

So, you mean to say if someone like Brad Pick, was a momma's boy, that he wouldn't be pulling girls? I highly doubt that. You flipping idiot, the girls would want to please his mother to be with him if that was the only thing between them and him. If a guy has hot looks and comes from a rich family do you friggin thing a girl is going to care if the guy is close to his mother? That's going to show that this man will take care of her like his mother and she'll be part of a solid family. She's going to make sure she pleases his mother to win him.

So, I think you have serious rocks in your head. Now, if a guy is fat, and flabby, and sucks looks wise, then the double standard kicks in and yeah sure "momma's boy". But, allot of bullsh1t you get from women is always code word for "not her looks preference, or you look ugly to her". Enough experiments on here on POF from Naughty_Ninja and others to show that women BS on their profiles ALL THE TIME and have a different response as to whether a guy has a hot pic and a sh1tty profile or has a average pic and a great profile. So I'm almost totally sold that women BS on looks, just like you are doing here.

Wasting my time with this thread. It's better for me to continue to look at "before and after" stories rather than waste time with this sh1t.

Your paralysis by analysis reminds me of a previous poster on here, Luke Skywalker. You're not him, right?

I got that one from Alle_Gory before. Are you both gay lover Star War freaks or something?

 

[Kerpal]

You just flushed $4,000 down the toilet. Most PTs have no idea what they're doing. You could have spent $10 on a copy of Starting Strength and gotten better results.

 

[corrector]

You just flushed $4,000 down the toilet. Most PTs have no idea what they're doing. You could have spent $10 on a copy of Starting Strength and gotten better results.

Wow. So many haters on here. What gives? I guess some people on this board don't have money or something and have to rely on their skills to attract sugar mamma's to take care of them.

 

[Mantis Toboggan]

The fish are really biting tonight, aren't they?

 

[Bible_Belt]

The fish are really biting tonight, aren't they?

Do you mean that he is a troll? I can't tell.

Assuming not, to the OP, this is how you get when you hang out with your Mom too much. I'm guessing she will never criticize you (or be your corrector ) and so no one ever calls you on your bvllsh!t. Then when you have a normal conversation, you can't handle it and get all offended.

You can bs yourself all you want, but having a gut and only hanging out with your mother are not attractive traits to women, nor are they healthy for your mind or body.

 

[corrector]

Assuming not, to the OP, this is how you get when you hang out with your Mom too much. I'm guessing she will never criticize you (or be your corrector ) and so no one ever calls you on your bvllsh!t. Then when you have a normal conversation, you can't handle it and get all offended.

What "normal conversation"? All I've got are PTs do not know what they are doing (a hater would have to say something like that) from Kerpal.

I replied back to your post about Naughty_Ninja's and other people's experiment with POF when they put up pics and get different responses. You call their experiments BS? That's fine, but you've got the problem not me.

Therefore, the body makes all the difference in the world. Even if you don't meet anyone offline, if you have a nice body, you will have an easier time online. Plus when they meet you it is the real you not a men's magazine poster shot hoax job.

You can bs yourself all you want, but having a gut and only hanging out with your mother are not attractive traits to women, nor are they healthy for your mind or body.

I'll concede with the "gut" part which is why I have a personal trainer.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Not everyone who criticizes you is "hating" you. People who criticize you can do so because they want to see you succeed, not see you fail, thus the term "constructive criticism." And it often will not seem that constructive. When you do or say something stupid (like everyone does from time to time), people who are really your friends will tell you that what you just did was stupid. That doesn't mean they are not your friends or that they think you are stupid. But if your skin is too thin to ever listen to criticism, then you're going to end up hanging out with Mom most of the time.

the body makes all the difference in the world

Well, it can. But it's like having wealth. Good looks get you initial interest from women. But if you don't have a strong mind, you won't keep that interest very long.

 

[HariPoter13]

The fish are really biting tonight, aren't they?

Sadly, the worst (best) trolls are actually serious.

 

[corrector]

Not everyone who criticizes you is "hating" you.

People who criticize you can do so because they want to see you succeed, not see you fail, thus the term "constructive criticism."

Really? How do you call it "constructive criticism" when you say I'm lying when I say I went to the gym on my own and wasn't able to get rid of the gut or that my exercise was ineffective based? You can not talk at level if you can not accept the information I'm putting forward.

Or how about, "PT's do not know what they are doing". All PT's suck. Well, how is that "constructive"? It sounds like people do not want to see me succeed by crying everything down.

And it often will not seem that constructive. When you do or say something stupid (like everyone does from time to time), people who are really your friends will tell you that what you just did was stupid. That doesn't mean they are not your friends or that they think you are stupid. But if your skin is too thin to ever listen to criticism, then you're going to end up hanging out with Mom most of the time.

What "constructive criticism" was offered. The ONLY thing I can say is Groovy did say something about "testosterone and herbs"...while I may not agree with it, at least it's something. The other posts are more bashing and sounds like hating to me.

the body makes all the difference in the world

Well, it can. But it's like having wealth. Good looks get you initial interest from women. But if you don't have a strong mind, you won't keep that interest very long.

Probably the only comment I've heard from you that makes sence. I already know this.

 

[Groovy]

Just pls think about this:
Some guys don't do exercise at all or little, and they have flat bellies and perfect weight... And great bodies. So I wonder if testosterone has something to do with that. I think if u go to the PT AND take supplements, it will be great for you. But just going to the gym = exhaustion. It's just my theory, you're welcome to proove me wrong!

If you have a belly it's because your ESTROGEN is high. Estrogen receptors are dense in the belly. You woulf like SOY ISOFLAVONES to help you get rid of the estrogen. Your liver may make too much aromatase- to make testosterone into estrogen. I just recommended u some herbs to help u correct ur liver, thus, aromatase release and improve testosterone for happiness and well being.

Also, here is a little negativity for you to think about: the personal trainer will tell you that he will shape your body in a certain way... I am sure he will. He wants money as far as I am concerned.
Another: It's the aura that is important... The charisma. The vibe you give. Don't u need to be well balanced health wise? You can just take steroids and become huge but unhealthy, no girl will like that. It may shrink your penis at the expense of growing your muscles.

Tell me this: Do u feel tired after exercise, or great? Do u feel better mentally or more negative?

Anyway I am just trying to give u food for tought here... If u don't care, that's great bro. Do what u do, I'm fine, at least you are trying and actually improving yourself, so ur cool. Yes, bible_belt is right, sometimes you will get rude critisism by people who want to help u out... I am sorry if u find my critisism rude it just comes out that way, I don't intend it. But I just think that 4000 dollars is A LOT OF MONEY... Some people have great bodies for FREE, hell, just buy some slimming capsules for 50 bucks... You will get there. U don't drink or smoke right? So why not? But just keep us posted... how is it going? Doing good?