Does it make sence to use a PT?

[corrector]

Just pls think about this:
Some guys don't do exercise at all or little, and they have flat bellies and perfect weight... And great bodies. So I wonder if testosterone has something to do with that. I think if u go to the PT AND take supplements, it will be great for you. But just going to the gym = exhaustion. It's just my theory, you're welcome to proove me wrong!

So, I should see a Chinese Herbalist and talk about this with him? Perhaps I could get herbal suppliments (if necessary) from him if there really is a hormonal problem?

If you have a belly it's because your ESTROGEN is high.

I don't know about that. I did try going to Herbal Magic before to lose weight, and I lost weight from 238 lbs to 205 lbs taking their herbal supplements (to increase metabolism) and take their precise food proportions. The only issue is their "diet" is unrealistic in the long-term and you are not building your muscles.

The idea of P.T. with a "diet' is that there will be mucles building as well as getting a flatter belly.

Estrogen receptors are dense in the belly. You woulf like SOY ISOFLAVONES to help you get rid of the estrogen. Your liver may make too much aromatase- to make testosterone into estrogen. I just recommended u some herbs to help u correct ur liver, thus, aromatase release and improve testosterone for happiness and well being.

So, my aromatase enzine has to be reduced? I had done a blood test back in April and they never said that I had any liver enzyme issue.

In terms of blood tests as a whole, I did have a liver enzyme issue back in 2010. This was because of excessive alcohol consumption. After I stopped drinking alcohol, there has never been a liver enzyme problem since.

If there is too much aromatase, then would this not have showed up in the routine annual blood test?

Also, here is a little negativity for you to think about: the personal trainer will tell you that he will shape your body in a certain way... I am sure he will. He wants money as far as I am concerned.

I'm not stupid in this regard. My mother sold me - not my personal trainer. My thoughts were, if my mom is noticing a change in my body, that if I keep with this trainer, it would only be a matter of time that other girls will notice changes too as I continue with the program.

The "beach body" look is not a "body-builder" look, and from feedback on this site, it looks like it is spot-on that this guy has real insights into the type of physique most women are attracted to.

So, yes, everybody wants money, that is how the world goes around. It's a question of competency. If I get to where I want to go in life then I'm not going to care about losing a few dollars on the way. If girls notice my body in the way I think they would when the program is over, and I get the benefit of being a "sex-object", then that would be priceless.

If there is a doubt that I will not get this goal at the end of the program, then that is another issue. Since you are not specifically raising that type of arguement here then you are not developing or building on a "doubt" that this goal is a fantasy where you'll need allot more than 50 sessions and I'll probably be up-sold again near the end of the sessions.

I'm no stranger to the gym. My first gym membership was in 2003, I went to Herbal Magic to lose weight in 2007 since going to the gym on my own saw me gain weight from 195 lbs to 238 lbs. At Herbal Magic I lost weight from 238 lbs to 205 lbs. Then I saw my weight mushroom from 205 lbs to 255 lbs. (spent $ 2000 + on Herbal magic suppliments and instruction).

Another: It's the aura that is important... The charisma. The vibe you give.

And I'm going to guess, if you have a nice body, you'll also probably have a healthy aura as well since you are more healthier, there is less fat weighing you down, etc...

Don't u need to be well balanced health wise? You can just take steroids and become huge but unhealthy, no girl will like that. It may shrink your penis at the expense of growing your muscles.

A "beach-body" is not a "body-builder" look.

Tell me this: Do u feel tired after exercise, or great? Do u feel better mentally or more negative?

You are supposed to feel tired after exercise or you didn't really work out. But yeah, I feel great after I exercise and generally, I feel better mentally.

But I just think that 4000 dollars is A LOT OF MONEY... Some people have great bodies for FREE, hell, just buy some slimming capsules for 50 bucks... You will get there. U don't drink or smoke right? So why not? But just keep us posted... how is it going? Doing good?

Well, as I've said, I've been a member of a gym since 2003 and have tried all the self-help crap out there and did not get any results. So it's come to a cross-roads where I would either throw in the towel, and concede, if I want to bang a hot-chick, simply hire an escort occasionally to "scratch the itch", or give this a last kick in the can.

Close to about half of the sessions are aleady being used up so I owe this gym about $ 2000 so far if I were to cancel if I want to save another $ 2000. (owe the gym less money -- again, this doesn't mean I'm rich, just that I'm in debt to the gym. Since I have no assets or income this debt is "up in the air" so it doesn't really mean anything to me).

But if there really is a result at the end-point that would have by body as such to be attractive to women and that opportunity is passed, then that would be a tragedy. There are other priorities in life and I'll probably either settle with a woman men aren't rushing after, or sticking with porn and/or escorts and pursuing "asexual" hobbies and interests as usual.

 

[corrector]

Groovy's suggestion on estrogen levels are being taken seriously enough that I'm going to set up a free consultation with a Chinese doctor to see if can determine if there is a hormonal imbalance and herbs are necessary. This can either enhance the PT sessions I'm taking to get results faster (i.e. herbal supplements), or it could cut the mustard and show PT lessons should be cancelled.

Leafy steamed vegetables are also good for metabolizing estrogen.

Like I said, I am looking for the truth here (i.e. whether it's realistic to have a chick-magnet body within the framework of the sessions -- which would accelerate what would normally take years into a much shorter time-span) and this is the only information on here that I can follow up on.

 

[PrettyBoyAJ]

Man, Money don't mean sh*t. All you need is motivation.

It's like a trick paying a pick up artist thousands of dollars. Your just being lazy! If you really wanted them girls you woulda sucked up your fears and approached them. I wasn't always good with girls. But when I wasn't I didn't pay anybody anything. I told myself I will learn this game by myself for free and because I want it. If you want something bad enough you will get it. When you realize this you will solve a lot of problems.

Don't be lazy, If you really want a better body you will get a better diet and hit that local gym consistently.

 

[corrector]

Man, Money don't mean sh*t. All you need is motivation.

...and motivation comes from testosterone. This is why I will consult with a Chinese doctor and see if there is a hormonal imbalance that is messing me up. I do not think there is but I have to be sure. If I'm lazy because I'm lazy, I get that. If I'm lazy because of a hormonal imbalance then that's another story since it's not really my fault then is it?

It's like a trick paying a pick up artist thousands of dollars.

But I am not paying a PUA thousands of dollars. A PUA and a Gym trainer is comparing apples to oranges.

We are talking abstract. If you see that girls want you in the environment to the point it would feel rude if you did not approach or make some sort of interaction, then you will approach.

I think I get too much resistance from women, either because of social mis-calibration or I'm just not vibing right. With a better body I may think of myself as sexual person that women want and I may be more apt to approach.

I wasn't always good with girls. But when I wasn't I didn't pay anybody anything. I told myself I will learn this game by myself for free and because I want it. If you want something bad enough you will get it. When you realize this you will solve a lot of problems.

Why weren't you good with girls? What's your rags to riches story?
You mentioned "game" not gym.

Don't be lazy, If you really want a better body you will get a better diet and hit that local gym consistently.

I already have a good diet and I'm seeing improvement. I'm not lazy since I am going to every PT session and am putting my all into that. If you want to call it "mindless" in the sence I'm not in charge of the program and someone else is telling me what to do, and as a result my body can not get used to any particular routine and gets more effective results...then that would be a better description.

Here's the bait sale, this PT can accomplish what it would take for me to do on my own on a much shorter period of time. This is either true or it is not true as it's one of the main reasons I'm going for this. I'm a highly distracted person with too many issues going on in my life. IT's easy, without a trainer, to have a gym program fall through the cracks, or if I just don't feel like going to the gym, to simply not show up. So, I'm probably more likely to succumb to laziness and not work out at the gym, and have "off and on" commitments, where for a few weeks I may go continously, then another couple of weeks may be skipped, etc...
The PT ain't doing the work-outs for me so I don't see how it's lazy.

 

[DanZy]

I don't get it, you asked for people's opinions on this but when they say you're doing the wrong thing and that most PTs are completely clueless (which is completely correct by the way), you get pissed and say they're wrong. Why ask the question if you don't like the answers?
Additionally, guys who say you have a belly because you didn't work hard enough etc are right. You tried and failed, go look at your diet and routine and I can guarantee you that they're flawed.
Motivation doesn't come from testosterone. Motivation comes from taking pride in yourself (in this instance at least)
I can guarantee you don't have a testosterone defiency, the ramifications would be far greater than just having a belly. Why go to a Chinese doctor for all of this? Simple blood tests will reveal whether your hormones are in check or not. And then you can deal with it properly, not with some bull**** substance given to you by a person whose counterparts would reccomend rhino horn as a fix.

Take responsibility

 

[Groovy]

Good, now we are having fun.

Well, l I used to whack off sometiems three times a day, I started to feel like crap, depression, belly (and I am skinny), low energy, bipolar disorder, the whole nine yards (I am 20, have a excellent diet, do exercise, sleep good, I would say I am optimistic and a happy guy) then a chinese doctor told me I had "Kidney qi deficiency" and "kidney yin deficiency", and "Liver qi stagnation". He then proceeded to give me some herbs and I've been taking that elixir for the past 15 days or something and today I woke up with a hard-on that lasted some 10 minutes, I used to not get that morning glory, I have more appetite, more energy and more happiness so that's that. I sent him my tongue picture a few days ago and he said "There's still damp evil in ur body so pls continue to take the medicine". He said: "I gave u medicine to fix the damages made by too much masturbation, bipolar, palpitations and insomnia, all that screws up your kidney qi!". But before this guy, I visited another chinese doctor, and I took his herbs for 30 DAYS FOR NOTHING. So I suppose I got unlucky the first time. The second guy told me that the first guy gave me a strange perscription.

Corrector thanks for ur cool story bro. I find it cool that u didn't test high for aromatase. I was just guessing. But did u test for that enzyme specifically? Anyway good read. U did interesting stuff others can hopefully learn from!

And yeah, I went to the first dr. I had back pain, the consultation alone was 65 bucks and it didn't even work (I got scammed). The second guy made the consultation for 0$. And I payed for the medicines that are working excellent... That's why I recommended it to u. But I find it good that you feel great after exercise- that's the point! If you are left exhausted after exercise and feel bad, there's a little stupidity there in my opinion.

If u are wondering, I went to a dr. personally in my home town then I just went to a internet dr in this website:
www.tcmdiscovery.com
and answeres a bunch of questions.

I am sure marmel would have insight on ur situation, he knows all about the body and proteins and things like that, and d!ckmojo is also into chinese medicine, he's the apparent pro in that. U are right... motivation comes from hormones! If u have lack, it's not really your fault, right?

Extra:
Here is the list of foods I was told to eat:
Black sesame (excellent stuff!!!), ginseng, walnuts, grapes, millet, wheat.
Here's to avoid:
Seaweed, banana, cold drinks, pear.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Although I support trying to fix your own health problems with diet and supplements whenever possible, as opposed to running to the doctor for pills, I also view most of the "traditional Chinese" medicine with skepticism. The Chinese government has encouraged "traditional" techniques for decades, and they do it to distract a billion Chinese citizens from the fact that they have no real health care. The next best thing to giving a populace something is to just make them think they have it. That's why in this country, they are always making us sing songs about how much freedom we have.

 

[corrector]

I don't get it, you asked for people's opinions on this but when they say you're doing the wrong thing and that most PTs are completely clueless (which is completely correct by the way), you get pissed and say they're wrong. Why ask the question if you don't like the answers?

Because they are not the right type of answers. I'm actually getting feedback from another thread on the Discussion section where there is a talk about body then I'm getting on this thread.

At least it is challenging the whole concept of what I'm doing. Will this actually get me the results I'm thinking about? Suppose women are more attracted to "face" instead of "body" then what is the profit of exercising the body? etc.... at least something to think about. Or, is it realistic to overcompensate by working on your body and expecting a cake-walk with women afterwards.

The other issue is this PT is different from other PTs I had in the past. They had no results and I was spending money. My mom has noticed changes in my posture and way I carry myself. In other words, this training has improved by body language and masculine projection according to my mom so far.

For my mom to say something like that, and I wasted $ 5000 in PTs before and got no results, shows that this particular PT may be a lucky break of someone, unlike other trainers, who knows what he is doing.

 

[corrector]

To reiterate, my mom said the results of this PT is that I look more masculine. She never said this of the other three PT I had at another gym and this particular trainer has really got some method to his madness to get my mom to say something like that.

Most notable gains are in posture (i.e. back muscles). Again, this is not a body-builder or ripped look, but "beach boy" look (whatever that means).

 

[marmel75]

Personally there is no way I would spend that type of money on a trainer. Especially not when there are extremely effective programs you can get onoine for a fraction of the cost. The Blueprint by Rob Regish, MI40 by Ben Pakulski, Lean Hybrid Muscle by Elliot Hulse and The Super Hero Workout by John Romaniello are all extremely effective at building muscle and leaning you out if that is what you want. Hell, you could buy all 4 and cycle through them for under $400. Then spend another $600 or so on quality supplements they recommend and STILL come out with $3000 in your pocket...

Not only that, but they give you precise instructions on what to eat, when to eat, supplement timing, and virtually everything else. MI40 contains a picture guide on exercise form that is probably worth $150 by itself, plus 4 hours+ worth of videos while he instructs and explains each movement.

Guarentee you would learn more from any one of those than from virtually any trainer.
That said, it all depends on you, no amount of money spent will mean anything unless you are willing to work for it.

As Ronnie Coleman used to say "Everyone wants to get big, but nobody wants to lift no heavy ass weights"

 

[DanZy]

Oh no he doesn't want to get big, he wants the "beach boy" look. What the fvck is that?
So your mom has made these comments, oh that must mean so very much and really indicates that this PT is different. Tell us what he's making you do and then we'll see if he has a clue

 

[marmel75]

We don't measure progress by what our mom's say. We measure progress by what the tape measure says, what the scale says and what the calipers say. Those things ALWAYS tell the truth and are not subjective observations....

 

[OzyBoy]

I'm using a PT myself because i was not too sure about what exercises to do and how to do everything properly. I think it is money well spent but $4000 is too much.

 

[incognito42]

PTs are all crooks

They're WAAAAY overpriced for what they actually do, which is kick you in the ass. The basic knowledge of how to weight train and eat right can be taught within a week of workouts.

Im convinced that nobody really needs a PT for motivation. It would be like needing to pay someone to tell you not to lite up every time you pull a cig out. Completely unneccessary