Does being musically talented raise your status?

[BlackMack177]

being musically talented dont mean nothing unless you are already attractive. the music wont help you out.

tell that to Lil wayne

 

[Iceberg]

being musically talented dont mean nothing unless you are already attractive. the music wont help you out.

I disagree.

Women will follow a guy with passion. Sure, maybe the guy isn't banging a new groupie every night, but an unattractive guy with musical skill can have a decent dating life

 

[thedude4242]

lil wayne would still be getting women without rap. also I said musically talented, something lil wayne is not.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Are you like a famous guy?

And yea, there's stuff out there on youtube and ****. I played in a bunch of bands and once even was on the radio. Biggest bragging I can do is that I made it to the finals of a pretty big talent show and lost to a bunch of rappers LOL.

Let's just say that I would be known to several people here if I revealed my identity. That's why I'm so careful how I word things sometimes. There is nothing at all to be ashamed about being a part of this community but, as you know, things get amplified and twisted in the media.

Lost to some rappers, huh? A sign 'o the times, I guess....

 

[handle]

I wonder whetehr the two go hand in hand for some strange reason like it's the make up of one's ear drum or something?

Not linked at all.

 

[thevilittletroll]

you dont even have to be able to play the instrument. just tell her that you are taking lessons to learn....it shows ambition!

 

[Atom Smasher]

you dont even have to be able to play the instrument. just tell her that you are taking lessons to learn....it shows ambition!

I absolutely agree. That alone can impress her. A lot of guys can't wrap their head around the immense power of stated or implied ambition. Women always seem to accept your ambitions as a fait accompli.

However, nothing will thrill her more than actually performing a musical piece for her. I played a few Christmas songs for my ex last December and I could see in her physiology how my perceived value instantly ramped up. Even just playing a few fast scale runs over the phone will thrill her to no end.

"Oh, hi there. You just caught me in the middle of practice..."

 

[omkara]

Let's just say that I would be known to several people here if I revealed my identity. That's why I'm so careful how I word things sometimes. There is nothing at all to be ashamed about being a part of this community but, as you know, things get amplified and twisted in the media.

Omg I can't believe Steve Winwood has been a member of our humble SS community all this time! I had a feeling...

In my experience, you really have to put your talent on display to get the most out of it. I worked on an album for a while at home and obviously that doesn't get the gina tingles the same way performing on stage does. The key is that you have to demonstrate your power over others, that you can mesmerize them/stir emotions in them.

On the other hand, just having the musician persona helps. Sometimes PUAs talk about having a gimmick, something that sets you apart from other guys. For Mystery, it was being a magician. You don't want to be that boring guy who looks good on paper but is sooo like all the other guys. And music has always been part of my persona for that reason. So I guess I will never give it up, even though there is pressure to give it up as you get older and life starts to become more demanding. (Also, creative energy tends to be less once you are out of your 20s and 30s--I mean real creative energy, like writing groundbreaking stuff, not playing other people's songs.)

 

[OC Speedball]

Ok, moving off topic a little. Is it just me or is rock sort of dead? I play guitar, I love it, but there's not much going on with it anymore. I'm only 20 but I know it was way crazier back in the 60s-80s. Girls don't really go nuts for it anymore. I've heard stories of crush crowds at U2 concerts and concert seating being demolished by Metallica fans at a show back in 1987. There was one interview in 1988 where a reporter said Slash had a group of girls following him around and he just picked one out and made out with her.

I'd say girls are just as much attracted to DJs (not Don Juan DJs lol) that spin lame mainstream rap. Some of the girls that are more artsy do get the gina tingles for guitarists though.

And I live in southern California, the epicenter of music and the music business in the world. Stuff that's big now is folk music and techno. The last breath of "real guitar playing" ended in 2009, when the metal scene that had been thriving since the 90s died out. I swear, suddenly it just dissapeared. It's strange how things like that happen.

And if there's no music scene for guitar players, how are you supposed to impress girls through playing live? Some of the posters in here are a bit older, so they might not see it as much. Most rock bands I see now are guys who are middle-aged; they still love the music and still play it, and the owners are older and still love the music so they book them. But the younger generation is really changing, it's sad.

Anyways, kind of a buzzkill post but I'm wondering what you guys think. Agree? Disagree?

 

[Ciel]

Ok, moving off topic a little. Is it just me or is rock sort of dead? I play guitar, I love it, but there's not much going on with it anymore. I'm only 20 but I know it was way crazier back in the 60s-80s. Girls don't really go nuts for it anymore. I've heard stories of crush crowds at U2 concerts and concert seating being demolished by Metallica fans at a show back in 1987. There was one interview in 1988 where a reporter said Slash had a group of girls following him around and he just picked one out and made out with her.

I'd say girls are just as much attracted to DJs (not Don Juan DJs lol) that spin lame mainstream rap. Some of the girls that are more artsy do get the gina tingles for guitarists though.

And I live in southern California, the epicenter of music and the music business in the world. Stuff that's big now is folk music and techno. The last breath of "real guitar playing" ended in 2009, when the metal scene that had been thriving since the 90s died out. I swear, suddenly it just dissapeared. It's strange how things like that happen.

And if there's no music scene for guitar players, how are you supposed to impress girls through playing live? Some of the posters in here are a bit older, so they might not see it as much. Most rock bands I see now are guys who are middle-aged; they still love the music and still play it, and the owners are older and still love the music so they book them. But the younger generation is really changing, it's sad.

Anyways, kind of a buzzkill post but I'm wondering what you guys think. Agree? Disagree?

I'm a 20 year old bass player who's been playing gigs for a year and have hardly managed to get more than 4-6 people to attend from my friends. They'd all much rather spend their night clubbing instead.

 

[zekko]

And I live in southern California, the epicenter of music and the music business in the world. Stuff that's big now is folk music and techno. The last breath of "real guitar playing" ended in 2009, when the metal scene that had been thriving since the 90s died out. I swear, suddenly it just dissapeared. It's strange how things like that happen.

And if there's no music scene for guitar players, how are you supposed to impress girls through playing live? Some of the posters in here are a bit older, so they might not see it as much. Most rock bands I see now are guys who are middle-aged; they still love the music and still play it, and the owners are older and still love the music so they book them. But the younger generation is really changing, it's sad

As an older guy, I definitely know what you're talking about. Guitar music is dead, especially in a rock context. Having been around a while, the difference is astonishing. There are a few reasons for this:

1) Everything on guitar (and in rock) has been done. There is no innovation left to be done. There's nothing new you can do. Rock has run through all its cycles of creativity, several times.
2) Everybody plays guitar now. Maybe not well, but everybody plays, and that has taken a lot of the mystique out of it. Thanks to things like American Idol and karaoke, people are more interested in singing.

People don't care about guitar playing anymore. There are some local bands here that gig and even have small followings, but the reaction they get is nothing like bands used to get. You can tell they're more impressed with themselves than the audience is. Like Ciel says, the kids would rather go clubbing.

That's not saying don't learn an instrument though. It can be relaxing and personally satisfying.

 

[snowdog]

Let's just say that I would be known to several people here if I revealed my identity. That's why I'm so careful how I word things sometimes. There is nothing at all to be ashamed about being a part of this community but, as you know, things get amplified and twisted in the media.

Yea, I know what you mean. Sometimes I get paranoid about it actually.

By the way, you aren't Anthony Weiner are you? lol

Lost to some rappers, huh? A sign 'o the times, I guess....

Yea man, reading it like this actually depresses the sh*t out of me. It took place in a city where gangster rap the hot thing so yeh...

But I don't care what anyone says... rock will always be the most bad-ass music around in the end.

 

[snowdog]

Ok, moving off topic a little. Is it just me or is rock sort of dead? I play guitar, I love it, but there's not much going on with it anymore. I'm only 20 but I know it was way crazier back in the 60s-80s. Girls don't really go nuts for it anymore. I've heard stories of crush crowds at U2 concerts and concert seating being demolished by Metallica fans at a show back in 1987. There was one interview in 1988 where a reporter said Slash had a group of girls following him around and he just picked one out and made out with her.

First of all F*CK U2, those ****ing pussies!

But I know what you mean, man. I read a bunch of biographies on rock stars and bands including Slash. The partying these guys did was insane. They would break laws in front of the cops and get away with it (in the 70's and 80's). Stories about Led Zeppelin renting an entire floor of a hotel and turning it into one big party. Drugs everywhere. Chicks everywhere. Throwing TV's out of windows and ****... It must have been awesome.

The guys in Van Halen just pointed at chicks in the audience during the show and a roadie would go fetch them, and you bet your ass they all got ****ed.

And read the Slash biography, it's insane on many many levels.

I'd say girls are just as much attracted to DJs (not Don Juan DJs lol) that spin lame mainstream rap. Some of the girls that are more artsy do get the gina tingles for guitarists though.

Yep. It's really frustrating to me because being a disc jockey doesn't really require musical talent. You don't have to be able to actually play a musical instrument. I'm not saying dj-ing isn't a skill, it's just not being a musician.

And I live in southern California, the epicenter of music and the music business in the world. Stuff that's big now is folk music and techno. The last breath of "real guitar playing" ended in 2009, when the metal scene that had been thriving since the 90s died out. I swear, suddenly it just dissapeared. It's strange how things like that happen.

I thought there was still a decent scene going on in L.A. Guess I'll spare myself the disappointment whenever I go visit that place.

And if there's no music scene for guitar players, how are you supposed to impress girls through playing live? Some of the posters in here are a bit older, so they might not see it as much. Most rock bands I see now are guys who are middle-aged; they still love the music and still play it, and the owners are older and still love the music so they book them. But the younger generation is really changing, it's sad.

****ing sad. And terrible.

Anyways, kind of a buzzkill post but I'm wondering what you guys think. Agree? Disagree?

I couldn't agree more. I live in the Netherlands, and there isn't really anything going on here. A bunch of famous dj's came from here but I just don't get it. Music without instruments is boring as ****. People just listen to and like whatever is the hip thing now.

The weird thing is though, that a lot of people still seem to like 'real' music still and are pissed off that they can't go anywhere to enjoy it, but there aren't any bars around that care about that scene.

I lived in the Florida/Alabama area for a while and I was very happy to see that in the southern states, live music is still mainstream. I've seen some of the most amazing bands in Nashville, Memphis, Daytona and a bunch of small towns and all of them were young guys. The cool thing was that most of the people in those places didn't care much about the whole superficial bull**** that usually comes along with the club scene. That's the exact reason why I ****ing hate clubs in general. Most people in there aren't chill.

The south surprised me with its chillness and coolness. Sure there are still religious wackjobs around there but in general, the young generation there is really cool and still loves and makes great music. And they're really proud of it, too. I generally hung out with the college crowd and they were some of the coolest people I ever ran into.

 

[omkara]

Ok, moving off topic a little. Is it just me or is rock sort of dead?

I hadn't really noticed because I'm not out there that much, but yeah that makes sense now that you mention it. I can definitely understand the lack of interest in going out to see live shows when the competition is video games, facebook etc.

I'm in seattle and indie music is still thriving here as far as I can tell, within its own subculture. They charge a lot and pack em in. But really they should charge nothing and have it be a "hip scene" like back in the 60s or jazz clubs in the 50s. I guess I wasn't made for these times. Sidenote: I had a first date in a dingy jazz club that didn't charge cover, with this 24 y/o girl and she was like what the hell is this? She freaked out and left in like 5 minutes. People are too dumb now to get how cool it is that you can walk into a bar for no cover and hear awesome music and come go as you please with no commercial obligation whatsoever.

Another aspect of it is just the feminization of music. Bands like guns n' roses, metallica, and slayer are pure testosterone. And now things have become feminized so that kind of attitude is not popular anymore.

 

[Black Dog]

I hadn't really noticed because I'm not out there that much, but yeah that makes sense now that you mention it. I can definitely understand the lack of interest in going out to see live shows when the competition is video games, facebook etc.

I'm in seattle and indie music is still thriving here as far as I can tell, within its own subculture. They charge a lot and pack em in. But really they should charge nothing and have it be a "hip scene" like back in the 60s or jazz clubs in the 50s. I guess I wasn't made for these times. Sidenote: I had a first date in a dingy jazz club that didn't charge cover, with this 24 y/o girl and she was like what the hell is this? She freaked out and left in like 5 minutes. People are too dumb now to get how cool it is that you can walk into a bar for no cover and hear awesome music and come go as you please with no commercial obligation whatsoever.

Another aspect of it is just the feminization of music. Bands like guns n' roses, metallica, and slayer are pure testosterone. And now things have become feminized so that kind of attitude is not popular anymore.

Yes! That's exactly why I plan to open a restaurant and run music all day throughout. I believe you need a license to do so (here in Cali), but I'm fine with that.

You're pretty spot-on with testosterone-Rock being dead, I think you could say GnR was the last testosterone band a-la Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Van Halen. Unless you count Nirvana or Green Day (who kick ass...:box: ) but it's just a different story for groups like those

The mantra still exists with Hip-Hop and Rap though-- if you're into that. Ludacris is a favorite rapper of mine and other dudes are out there spreading the messages, ; just using Hip Hop as the vehicle instead of Rock unfortunately.

I hear you on not being born during the right era haha. Sucks about that 24y/o girl.

However, I work a temp job as an office assistant, and my boss let's me run the music for the clients' outside waiting room....they really dig the music! More than I'd expect. I've got a selection of Herbie Hancock, Beatles, Miles Davis, Quincy Jones, Hendrix, The Zombies... just real vintage selection of chill music and many respond to it well. It's finding the right niche I guess. But I live in Cali so it's pretty easygoing over here

 

[OC Speedball]

I couldn't agree more. I live in the Netherlands, and there isn't really anything going on here. A bunch of famous dj's came from here but I just don't get it.

Yup, it's called "Dirty Dutch." It's a new style of techno that I don't pay much attention to, haha.

And yeah I've read the Slash autobiography...twice. He signed my copy the day it was released and I got to shake his hand. I went to the book release event in Los Angeles.

It's interesting how you call it "testosterone rock." That is a VERY good way to describe it. I had never thought of it that way before, I just thought of it as hard rock/metal. But when you look at the rock bands people are into now out here, it's very weak and watered down. The Arcade Fire, MGMT, The Growlers, etc. Although, deathcore was huge out here until 2009 (as I mentioned). That was a pretty extreme, testosterone fueled style of metal.

But now all the big shows and events people want to go to are stuff like Coachella (indy music) and Electric Daisy Carnival (electronic).

It's true that people still LIKE the music. You'd be surprised how many average girls and guys you meet that love Stevie Ray Vaughan, Motley Crue, Bob Dylan... all the classics. But the problem is the music industry is so money hungry that they would rather release cheesy, simple pop songs that sell quickly than put the effort into signing and recording good rock bands. And the clubs don't book rock acts. They book Disc Jockeys that aren't even that good (they use MacBooks rather than actually spinning CDs or vinyl). There are only a few rock and jazz clubs I know of in Orange County. Los Angeles still has rock clubs but hardly anyone goes out to those shows.

 

[snowdog]

Yes! That's exactly why I plan to open a restaurant and run music all day throughout. I believe you need a license to do so (here in Cali), but I'm fine with that.

You're pretty spot-on with testosterone-Rock being dead, I think you could say GnR was the last testosterone band a-la Zeppelin, Aerosmith, Van Halen. Unless you count Nirvana or Green Day (who kick ass...:box: ) but it's just a different story for groups like those

The mantra still exists with Hip-Hop and Rap though-- if you're into that. Ludacris is a favorite rapper of mine and other dudes are out there spreading the messages, ; just using Hip Hop as the vehicle instead of Rock unfortunately.

I hear you on not being born during the right era haha. Sucks about that 24y/o girl.

However, I work a temp job as an office assistant, and my boss let's me run the music for the clients' outside waiting room....they really dig the music! More than I'd expect. I've got a selection of Herbie Hancock, Beatles, Miles Davis, Quincy Jones, Hendrix, The Zombies... just real vintage selection of chill music and many respond to it well. It's finding the right niche I guess. But I live in Cali so it's pretty easygoing over here

I agree with you on GnR, which is pure bad-assness. Especially their first album, when they had a maniac for a drummer. Nirvana ruined the last little bit of "Testosterone-rock". When they came around, it suddenly wasn't cool anymore to be a really good guitar player. Green Day is just standard pop-rock to me. I enjoyed the Offspring much more than them when they were big.

I'll come visit your restaurant if you play some good music bro. And make drinks cheaper for girls.

 

[zekko]

Nirvana ruined the last little bit of "Testosterone-rock". When they came around, it suddenly wasn't cool anymore to be a really good guitar player.

You're right in a way, but I'm not sure I would blame Nirvana for that. They just squeezed the last few drops that were left out of rock. Grunge was basically the second coming of punk - a revolt against the hair bands, just like punk was a revolt against the arena rockers. Everything had gone full circle, again.

When they killed off the guitar solo though, that was the end of rock. Rock had always had an instrumental section to it. Then people decided they didn't have the patience to listen to the instruments, they only wanted to hear the singing bits. So it was all dumbed down, the artistry was taken out of it, and we're left with what we have now.

they would rather release cheesy, simple pop songs that sell quickly than put the effort into signing and recording good rock bands

Most likely, they don't care about rock bands because they don't sell. Just like how the big band era faded out. There's nothing new left in rock to be done. No matter what you want to hear, you can go back to listen to the classic bands to hear it.

Curiously, while no one seems to care about listening to it, there are more bands out there than ever. I'm sure there are countless bands out there making good music. But none of them can achieve the popularity classic bands had, because rock is all washed up. It's not mainstream culture anymore. Everything they're doing is just echos of what's gone before.

 

[Atom Smasher]

Do you guys think that a completely new genre, one that we can't even imagine today, can emerge and take the world by storm as the other major genres have?

 

[Victory Unlimited]

Does being musically talented raise your status?

I'd say that being musically talented only raises your status depending on whether or not the people who are "measuring" your status think that you actually HAVE "musical talent".:yes:

But in answer to your bigger question: "Can being musically talented get you girls?"

The answer is:

Being IN THE BAND, or UP ON STAGE, or in ANY position of prominence WILL get you girls! :rockon:

Hell...many times, yo' ass don't even have to be "good" at what you're doing. As long as you're doing it in a way that makes you stand out from a crowd of other guys--------it'll work in your favor.