Doc Love Is Crazy and if You Follow His Advice, You Are Too!

[DJDamage]

I agree with LovelyLady in depth explanation.

Also have you seen this guy?

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia4BAVi2jzw

He looks like a skinny John cleese with an ugly red shirt that wouldn't be able to pick up hot women if his life were depended on it.

 

[Interceptor]

Call me crazy, but I would love to hear Lovely Lady's comments on the women in that video.

 

[LovelyLady]

LOL You are such a s*** disturber!

You really are :crazy: if you think I'm gonna' go there! LOL


Aaargh! You are so maddening!

 

[Interceptor]

LOL!

 

[LovelyLady]

:flowers: LOL You are too much!

 

[C-quenced]

Do you really believe this?

Certainly

Women know a LOT more than you give them credit. They know sex is the key to get men. They know attention (not necessary sex) could be enough to get men. They know that dressing a certain way...a smile...etc. might be enough to get men.

Underestimating women is not a smart thing to do.

I never was. In fact it's oftenly the other other way around.

Good question.
Lovely Lady is a woman whom has spent a great deal of time understanding herself and relationships,and the male/female dynamics. Far more than the average SoSuaver. She is indeed very well informed and quite capable of offering excellent insight into subjects like these. She has made deep observations derived from personal experience, and gained insight from others expereinces as well.
She is very understanding of the subject matter.
I highly respect her insight.

I wouldn't doubt that. But the majority of her argument is too based off of emotions (what she "feels" is right or wrong) to be taken into consideration.

Women know what they want as much as men do.

Which means that just like women, some men dont know who they are or what they want.
You're making a vast generalizaton about women, when it also applies to men as well.
Some men knowo what they want, some women do too.

This is a non point. Sorry.

IN GENERAL men want sex. Simple as that. What do women want? We couldn't really ask because what they say or what they "think" they want is usually the contrary of what they really want. This is based on my observations and I'm sure many including yourself will agree.

I am sure that Lovely Lady is quite aware of the things that DO work to gain her interest and attraction in a romantic relationship.


Lets hope so.

I believe Lovely Lady is doing nothing of the kind.
She is quite adept at 'understanding' the male/female sexual and romantic dynamic. Plus, she has the added insight of seeing it from a woman's point of view.
She simply has a knack for reading the material and finding areas of weakness when it comes down to dealing with healthy, high self esteem , full grown and mature women.
That she can 'spot' men using 'tactics' on her speaks on her ability to tune into men and assess their motives and level of skill and confidence.
In other words, she's no fool, and not easily duped. No matter how many 'tactics' you use or try to justify.


False perception on your behalf in order to jump to such conclusions. There's a big difference between believing and knowing.

This also applies to you.
You certainly do not represent EVERY Man's personal experience/opinion in life.

Not necessarily. I'm going exactly by what WORKS. Not every man shares the same experience/opinion nor have I ever claimed to represent all. In fact when it comes right down to it the men who ARE most successful with women are those who display the core qualities which are discussed in "The System". This is a FACT.

I believe because her son is still too young to make the most informed decisions on the subject.

And you're entitled to your opinion. But it's her son, not yours. And the young man has little 'experience' to draw from.

Umm... The point I was trying to get across is to actually raise the kid right (I never wanted the responsibility of raising some else's kid). Mothers tell their sons to be "nice" and give them the wrong advice. The media is also partly to blame for this. On the other hand mothers seem to raise their daughters to be manipulative *****es. Where's the balance?

 

[reset]

That video didn't seem weird or embarrassing to Doc Love to me. I was expecting some monster. Maybe the shirt wasn't the best. Showed a good range of opinions from women.

With respect to Lovely Lady, it seems many of the criticisms she has of Doc Love, in my experience, have been covered and answered by him, in his articles (at least at askmen.com, where I've read many of them) and in the book he wrote.

 

[everywomanshero]

I couldn't watch the video. I really felt sorry for him. He looks to be from around 1150 B.C. and the bull taunting shirt, good greif. This guy should be in a nursing home.

 

[Don Juanabbe]

That's a chick. Of course she's going to not like Doc Love.

Advice is good until you can trust your own advice. Some things he says I agree with, some I don't, mainly, a girl with high interest never playing games. But his stuff on challenge, is spot on in my opinion.

Too right, I've known many women with high interest who play games - they all play games.

 

[The Deacon]

Umm... The point I was trying to get across is to actually raise the kid right (I never wanted the responsibility of raising some else's kid). Mothers tell their sons to be "nice" and give them the wrong advice. The media is also partly to blame for this. On the other hand mothers seem to raise their daughters to be manipulative *****es. Where's the balance?

I don't think that mothers are to blame for "nice guy syndrome" because they're supposed to be nurturing. Fathers should be the ones teaching their sons how to become men, mothers should teach their sons empathy, both of which are needed to have a healthy relationship.

On top of that, it's not a sexual turnoff for a woman if you're nice to her. I buy flowers for girls I date, and it's not like I get "friendzoned" because I showed interest. When you buy a girl flowers and hope for her approval in return... that's the real attraction killer. There's nothing wrong with mothers teaching their sons to be courteous to women, cause if you really honestly "get" women, you'd realize attraction is a lot more dynamic than "she's not attracted to nice guys" or "she wants a guy that treats her like dirt."

Tell you what. For those of you who think that treating women like garbage will get you laid (since all their jerk boyfriends of the past did that), why not approach a girl and tell her that she's the ugliest piece of sh!t you've ever seen. If she's not jumping your bones in two seconds, let that disprove the notion that disrespecting the woman equals sex.

 

[LovelyLady]

C-quenced: "...women don't even understand themselves especially when it comes to matters of the opposite sex."


LL: "Do you really believe this?"


C-quenced: "Certainly"


What experiences/interactions have led you to this belief? (In other words, I am asking -what has happened in your life experiences and why you believe this to be true about women.)


............

Also, Interceptor knows me and is well within his right to speak on my behalf.

You need not have concerns about the veracity of anything he says - he is a man of great integrity.

 

[Interceptor]

That video didn't seem weird or embarrassing to Doc Love to me. I was expecting some monster. Maybe the shirt wasn't the best. Showed a good range of opinions from women.

With respect to Lovely Lady, it seems many of the criticisms she has of Doc Love, in my experience, have been covered and answered by him, in his articles (at least at askmen.com, where I've read many of them) and in the book he wrote.

I would believe so since it has been around for some time, and much of the community material is more mainstream.
But Lovely Lady was just stating her views on it, because she felt there was some areas that were lacking to get a more fuller picture on HOW to do well when interacting with a woman.

She was critiquing the material, not CRITICIZING it.

Most men here get personally offended and defensive when a woman states her opinion on seduction material, et al. They take it as a personal attack.


But Lovely Lady was adding insight to help and open some eyes so that they can go deeper and develop a more thorough understanding of the subject, not demean men for getting better with women. Which a lot of guys seem to project on some of the female posters here. (it does happen sometimes, but not from LL)

Not all women are against the idea of men getting this area of their life handled. They encourage it. Lovely Lady certainly does. So it's my feeling that it's unjust to categorize her with other women who dont.

She is quite aware of the significance of this forum, and is aware of the fact that it is a Men's forum.
But she does have a helpful insight and wisdom to offer men here. To help, not criticize or demean them.
And I think it would be a huge disservice to men here to discount LL's insight and opinion, when she has a very helpful point of view to add to this forum.

 

[reset]

I'm not asking her to not post. I'm just saying I've read a lot of Doc Love, the shallow/shortsighted stuff she sees, I haven't seen. All I'm sayin.

 

[Interceptor]

Understood, buddy.
But again, I think it's important to understand it's her opinion, and it is a woman's opinion.
Men see things their way, and women see things their way.
She's just giving some insight on it.
That's all.

There are specific principles that are valid,and his stuff is good. But sometimes there may be a rigidness that some men feel they must adhere to, because they can't deal with the non linear. Again, there's good stuff in there. And I'm sure that his articles perhaps go into more detail. I may have to look into that.

 

[Blue Phoenix]

Just a reminder, if you want to listen to Doc love you can go to:
http://www.wsradio.com/internet-talk-radio.cfm/shows/XLDL-Archives.html
http://www.wsradio.com/podcasts/239.xml

 

[Smack]

Do you really believe this?

I certainly believe that women do not understand themselves that well. That is why women's mags are filled with stuff about understanding themselves. That is why women love personality tests so much (ever heard of the cube opener?). That is why women eat up crap like horoscopes. If women understood themselves to the level that us men understand ourselves women's mags would not be filled with ****e like horoscopes. (Instead, they'd probably be filled with cute guy's arses. )

However, I think women have a fairly good understanding of the typical male. He is an AFC, although not a total AFC. She has been reading about him from a young age from her female magazines, which are full of tips and info about this man. That is probably why the "wait a week before you call" stuff works so well - it totally throws woman off! They're so accustomed to normal AFC guys phoning so soon and putting her on the pedestal that they just have to investigate this new guy. However, they hate the fact that he is playing games (despite the fact that women play far more games on us) so that is why a female then writes that crappy blog post in the OP attacking Doc Love. They don't want him in on their game!

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Doc love works if you're trying to pick up desperate women in their 30s.

Hot, young women -- Not so much.

More specifically, quality women who won't waste your time with a ton of sh1t tests as opposed to women who will give you attention until she finds a BBD.

 

[Mr. Me]

the part I disagree with is that women with high interest will never play games. We know that girls don't know why they do what they do, it just happens.

Some do it unconsciously, some purposefully, but in any regard, when they do have high interest, they're less prone to "play games" because they DON'T want to chance losing you through the cracks. Doc's adage "they help you when they like you" comes into play here.

It's like this: say you have a vested interest in something, for example, you put serious money up on a business venture, or your career literally depends on you making a certain presentation on a deadline. You're not about to try anything that may ruin the chances of its success, unless you're irresponsible.

("Play Games" is also what both genders call it when they don't understand what the opposite sex is doing, even if what they're doing is actually nothing but merely imagined to be something.)

I can give you example after example.

One gal who's number I obtained recently, I just couldn't really find the time to sit down and call her. I was out every night. So, finally, like two weeks after I got her number, I just emailed her and said it'd be better if we just hooked up over a cup of coffee. She could've balked that I didn't call for two weeks, or told me that she's not available, but she didn't verbalize anything like that and agreed to the date... she's interested.

Another one I did meet and just called her recently to invite her out. She was like, "Oh? You didn't seem that interested when we met". Means to me that maybe she was a little confused that I didn't appear enthusiastic, and she could've made it difficult trying to make me jump through hoops or whatever, BUT all the same, she didn't and agreed to a date (actually, declined my offer because of her schedule and then counter-offered. Textbook example of high interest!). It also means to me that she was trying to get a read on me, and if she wasn't interested, she wouldn't care about where she stood with me, it wouldn't be a thought in her head.

Both these women approached me first, BTW, which indicated there was a high enough level of interest on their part up front. They volunteered their numbers, no game playing involved in getting their numbers at all, unlike others, where trying to get their number becomes an ordeal, because they're NOT interested.

So, if a woman exhibits high interest - but then genuinely, intentionally does play games - then either her interest has gone down OR she's got some personality flaws (or issues) that will impede on her interpersonal relationships in a way that the astute gent will understand makes it a red flag for him.

 

[cuffyone]

Caveman logic for cavemen,romance buy numbers.Why be yourself or think for yourself when you can just buy a book and do what it says.Its evangelism and hes laughing all the way to the bank.

 

[floydb25]

All dating guru's have sound advice, and understand the nature of attraction. The only problem is their delivery. They are annoying as balls, and don't get to the point without being condescending, arrogant, or using capital letters to emphasis their point. They're also too repetitive and have imaginary friends. At the end of the day, they're just trying to make money, and aim to acquire this in any way possible. It's just another business, and it shows big time. They're not genuinely interested in helping the audience. Not much different from all those crappy infomercials; equally as irritating, and automatically avoided / skipped over.