Do you think the idea that incel violence would end if there were enforced monogamy is absurd?

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I was reading about Jordan Peterson saying this, and a femynist retort about this being "absurd", and it got me interested:

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2...eterson-after-he-calls-for-enforced-monogamy/
Violent attacks are what happens when men do not have partners, Mr. Peterson says, and society needs to work to make sure those men are married.

“He was angry at God because women were rejecting him,” Mr. Peterson says of the Toronto killer. “The cure for that is enforced monogamy. That’s actually why monogamy emerges.”

Mr. Peterson does not pause when he says this. Enforced monogamy is, to him, simply a rational solution. Otherwise women will all only go for the most high-status men, he explains, and that couldn’t make either gender happy in the end.

“Half the men fail,” he says, meaning that they don’t procreate. “And no one cares about the men who fail.”
I laugh, because it is absurd.
my opinion: This is not absurd at all, and indeed is what is seen across the mammals: males who aren't getting poontang have the instinct to start fighting, especially against the alpha male getting sexed.
 

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I disagree with the idea that monogamy should be forced. That's a bit ridiculous.

The problem is that we're living in a society where men are told it's wrong to be men. Masculinity is demonized and these guys who become incels get violently angry once they realize that what they were taught was actually a bluff. It wasn't in their best interest. I mean sh*t I get angry too when I see some skank stand up at work and talk about how she is only making .75c to my dollar and I feel like saying, "Yeah but we also have to sit here and listen to your butter face talk about the guy at the gym you're banging and the beta you met on match.com who you dumped because he snored too loud when he is sleeping".

Imagine being one of these incels and hearing that? At work? At school? On TV? Any guy who isn't mentally challenged starts understanding at some point that things don't add up. That's when you get the news story on TV of dead bodies riddled with bullets at the local mall.

The key to overcoming this is game. Or hookers. pick one. But I do agree that guys who go without sex for a long period of time start losing their minds and you get what were are seeing today.
 

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I disagree with the idea that monogamy should be forced. That's a bit ridiculous.

The problem is that we're living in a society where men are told it's wrong to be men. Masculinity is demonized and these guys who become incels get violently angry once they realize that what they were taught was actually a bluff. It wasn't in their best interest. I mean sh*t I get angry too when I see some skank stand up at work and talk about how she is only making .75c to my dollar and I feel like saying, "Yeah but we also have to sit here and listen to your butter face talk about the guy at the gym you're banging and the beta you met on match.com who you dumped because he snored too loud when he is sleeping".

Imagine being one of these incels and hearing that? At work? At school? On TV? Any guy who isn't mentally challenged starts understanding at some point that things don't add up. That's when you get the news story on TV of dead bodies riddled with bullets at the local mall.

The key to overcoming this is game. Or hookers. pick one. But I do agree that guys who go without sex for a long period of time start losing their minds and you get what were are seeing today.
So, what is your solution to this? Hookers, really? I can say that I'm more likely to lose my mind having sex with a hooker, 100% guaranteed then not having any sex at all. How do I know this? Because I did lose my mind after having sex with a hooker over 3.5 years ago. I keep saying, I'm sane now, I can enjoy food, watch movies, and am very lucid. When I was with a hooker I had a nervous break-down a day later and shut down for about a month. I was afraid to touch my c0ck, or that it would get hard again because I thought I'd drift off into space if that happened and made constant efforts to pee out if there was any hint that it would involuntary get hard. I was deathly afraid of fapping. It seems I would have been better off mentally that time if I didn't see the hooker, if that sequence was edited out of my life.
 

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I was reading about Jordan Peterson saying this, and a femynist retort about this being "absurd", and it got me interested:

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2...eterson-after-he-calls-for-enforced-monogamy/




my opinion: This is not absurd at all, and indeed is what is seen across the mammals: males who aren't getting poontang have the instinct to start fighting, especially against the alpha male getting sexed.
? What does he mean by enforced monogamy?

Would this be a Taliban-like takeover, where fundamentalists of a Christian variety would institute monogamy??

If monogamy is to make a comeback, it must be at a cultural/ mass movement level. Perhaps the equivalent of a metoo movement.
 

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I disagree with the idea that monogamy should be forced. That's a bit ridiculous.

The problem is that we're living in a society where men are told it's wrong to be men. Masculinity is demonized and these guys who become incels get violently angry once they realize that what they were taught was actually a bluff. It wasn't in their best interest. I mean sh*t I get angry too when I see some skank stand up at work and talk about how she is only making .75c to my dollar and I feel like saying, "Yeah but we also have to sit here and listen to your butter face talk about the guy at the gym you're banging and the beta you met on match.com who you dumped because he snored too loud when he is sleeping".

Imagine being one of these incels and hearing that? At work? At school? On TV? Any guy who isn't mentally challenged starts understanding at some point that things don't add up. That's when you get the news story on TV of dead bodies riddled with bullets at the local mall.

The key to overcoming this is game. Or hookers. pick one. But I do agree that guys who go without sex for a long period of time start losing their minds and you get what were are seeing today.
I see more a problem of people starting to demonize these 'incels' [my God, there is even a word for it]. Suddenly all these 'weirdo' involuntary celibates are potential mass murderers... which serves to only alienate people further.

What we need is a less sex-obsessed culture [anti-culture?].
 

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The key to overcoming this is game. Or hookers. pick one. But I do agree that guys who go without sex for a long period of time start losing their minds and you get what were are seeing today.
^This.

And being raised properly from young.

Properly meaning raised by a manly man and not by a single mom nor a half past baked version of a man.
 

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TBH, we've all been incels at some point of our lives (I.E. dry spells, taking a break). These bros are just the extreme. Chances are they have social anxiety issues or medical issues. This is more due to an anti-social way of life. Prob. didn't have both parents at home, day care, or were/are on meds. I've had dry spells, never wanted to kill innocent people or women. They prob. also went on these dating apps and have had horrible success, and it just enrages them even more,

I think marriage is dead. Perhaps, some men will still go through it the first time, but once they go through divorce, they will not do it again. Would you like to know the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Marriage is dead. Both sexes have just too many options for another person. It's like they go to the partner store, which is fine, but it is just empty sex. If I just wanted to ejaculate, I would do the knuckle shuffle. Sex is/was to build a bond with the other person. With both men and women having sex with dozens of partners, that ability to bond is essentially gone. Women only "settle down" once they "had their fun" and want offspring. Have the offspring and then get rid of the husband within 8 years (Source: US Census 2010 / CDC).

It's sad in a societal way. Such a shame.
 

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^This.

And being raised properly from young.

Properly meaning raised by a manly man and not by a single mom nor a half past baked version of a man.
This is so important. But hope is not lost for those that missed out on that. The positively virile/ virtuous man, according to Aristotle, is the one who has raised himself up, has overcome, through the exercise of his own intelligence. Those that enjoy the Good Life due only to a good upbringing, custom and habit, are merely continent [not divided against themselves].
 
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I don't know about you guys, but imma going to get some tight pvssy later after treating my plate to some MCDONALD'S :up:
 

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He clarifies what he meant by forced monogamy:

It's a strange use of the word 'enforced'. He's really referring to the force of social norms, peer pressure etc. Say there was a Puritan revolution in the U.S [if there isn't one already], it is a small step from this idea to actually enforcing a la Taliban style.
 

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i mean, its not fair that women remain the same over next generations but they constantly require more n more from men BUT they somehow boost the evolution this way, or they ruin it, depending how you look at it, honestly scientists and people who invent important things are beta males not alpha partying chads so it would be good if they didnt have to struggle that much
 
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It's a strange use of the word 'enforced'. He's really referring to the force of social norms, peer pressure etc. Say there was a Puritan revolution in the U.S [if there isn't one already], it is a small step from this idea to actually enforcing a la Taliban style.
Yeah he used the word 'enforced' and I think that's what got feathers ruffled.

I don't see it happening. People, and not just women, would oppose it. Paterson's idea of monogamy is for men and women, not just women. He has other videos where he preaches monogamy as the ideal choice.

Not all men want to be monogamous so in theory if was to be gov't enforced those men would oppose it.

Father's would also likely opposed having their daughters assigned to incels.

I think incels need therapy, that kind of self hatred/ hatred of women/hatred of men who get laid view is self destructive and having a woman sleep with them isn't going to fix all of that. Gotta fix that from the inside out.

Plus they could pay for hookers but they don't because what they want seems to be a genuine interest from women, so the gov't forcing a woman to be with them isn't going to make her genuinely like him of course lol.

When the show the handmaids tale came out feminists were saying that could happen but really, most of the men in that are just as oppressed as the women, save for a small handful of the elite.

In fact in any dystopian book, show or movie, it's seems to be both genders oppressed with a small group of powerful people doing the oppressing.

If there was going to be any kind of Puritan/ taliban style revolution rest assured most of the men would be just as controlled as the women.
 

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Things are really starting to get weird. If it leads to cultural chaos, I wouldn't be surprised to see a reactionary political backlash.

I wonder if like anything else in life, politics might have a lifespan.:oops:
 

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TBH, we've all been incels at some point of our lives (I.E. dry spells, taking a break). These bros are just the extreme.
Taking a break sounds like it's voluntary so "involuntary celibacy" would not apply there. If a dry spell is under 6 months then it still wouldn't technically qualify under that label.

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Chances are they have social anxiety issues or medical issues.
With all the threads going on about how women are superficial and go for Chads, it's interesting you'd pin something like that. How about they are not Chads. A Chad with social anxiety or medical issues won't have a problem with the ladies.

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This is more due to an anti-social way of life. Prob. didn't have both parents at home, day care, or were/are on meds. I've had dry spells, never wanted to kill innocent people or women. They prob. also went on these dating apps and have had horrible success, and it just enrages them even more,
There are no Black incels that are doing that.
 

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Taking a break sounds like it's voluntary so "involuntary celibacy" would not apply there. If a dry spell is under 6 months then it still wouldn't technically qualify under that label.



With all the threads going on about how women are superficial and go for Chads, it's interesting you'd pin something like that. How about they are not Chads. A Chad with social anxiety or medical issues won't have a problem with the ladies.



There are no Black incels that are doing that.
the biggest incel i saw in action:

 

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I think incels need therapy, that kind of self hatred/ hatred of women/hatred of men who get laid view is self destructive and having a woman sleep with them isn't going to fix all of that. Gotta fix that from the inside out.
Therapy does not really work because it still does change the fundamental dynamics of the ladies going after Chads and leaving other guys to bite the dust. It's a market issue not a psychology issue. How about if women started ignoring you and went after other guys and the women you did get with you got the shorter end of the stick and it ended badly? Would you need therapy too? People are just smug here.

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Plus they could pay for hookers but they don't because what they want seems to be a genuine interest from women, so the gov't forcing a woman to be with them isn't going to make her genuinely like him of course lol.
Black incels get rejected by hookers too. Look at all the "no blacks" on hooker ads.
 

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Therapy does not really work because it still does change the fundamental dynamics of the ladies going after Chads and leaving other guys to bite the dust. It's a market issue not a psychology issue. How about if women started ignoring you and went after other guys and the women you did get with you got the shorter end of the stick and it ended badly? Would you need therapy too? People are just smug here.



Black incels get rejected by hookers too. Look at all the "no blacks" on hooker ads.
LMFAO tfw hookers can choose customer quality #2018
 

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The problem is that we're living in a society where men are told it's wrong to be men. Masculinity is demonized.
You are correct, but part of the reason for this is that so many of our males are being raised by single mothers. They lack the strong father figure and male role model. Which ironically, is because there isn't enough monogamy. Because if more people were monogamous, more marriages would stay together, and these boys would have their fathers around to raise them.

It doesn't do them much good to have a player father who then abandons him to be raised by his single mother, while he goes out and bangs other hos.
 

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You are correct, but part of the reason for this is that so many of our males are being raised by single mothers. They lack the strong father figure and male role model. Which ironically, is because there isn't enough monogamy. Because if more people were monogamous, more marriages would stay together, and these boys would have their fathers around to raise them.

It doesn't do them much good to have a player father who then abandons him to be raised by his single mother, while he goes out and bangs other hos.
I completely agree but I don't see how we can force monogamy on people.
 
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