Do you think the idea that incel violence would end if there were enforced monogamy is absurd?

[zekko]

I completely agree but I don't see how we can force monogamy on people.

I agree, you can't. I think the only way it can come about is if the children at some point rebel against their previous generation and instill more traditional values. More likely though, things will just continue to unravel.

It sounds like what Jordan Peterson meant by "enforced monogamy" (according to that video) is that social norms would come back around more to what it was in the 50s, so that if someone engaged in too much wanton behavior, they would be "shamed" by society. Peer pressure and all. But again, looking at the history of the world, usually when a civilization's morality starts to decay, it continues to fall apart until it meets destruction.

 

[AJ84]

Therapy does not really work because it still does change the fundamental dynamics of the ladies going after Chads and leaving other guys to bite the dust. It's a market issue not a psychology issue. How about if women started ignoring you and went after other guys and the women you did get with you got the shorter end of the stick and it ended badly? Would you need therapy too? People are just smug here.



Black incels get rejected by hookers too. Look at all the "no blacks" on hooker ads.

You make a good point about it not changing the dynamics. Women set the standard for dating 'marketability' for men and men set the standard for dating 'marketability' for women. Women, will not en masse go for socially awkward unattractive men with bad attitudes any more than men will en masse go for fat unattractive women with bad attitudes. These men and women can complain all they want, but they don't have control over the standards the other has set. None of us do.

So the change from within part, would involve improvements to increase dating marketability, for either gender left out of the dating pool, if they want to attract the opposite sex.

But incels don't seem to have this insignt and instead want to blame society and feminism and the blue sky etc for them not being f**kable. No different than a fat green haired feminists blaming body image on not being f**kable.

 

[AJ84]

Things are really starting to get weird. If it leads to cultural chaos, I wouldn't be surprised to see a reactionary political backlash.

I wonder if like anything else in life, politics might have a lifespan.

It is getting weird for sure.

 

[btownbuck2012]

I agree, you can't. I think the only way it can come about is if the children at some point rebel against their previous generation and instill more traditional values. More likely though, things will just continue to unravel.

It sounds like what Jordan Peterson meant by "enforced monogamy" (according to that video) is that social norms would come back around more to what it was in the 50s, so that if someone engaged in too much wanton behavior, they would be "shamed" by society. Peer pressure and all. But again, looking at the history of the world, usually when a civilization's morality starts to decay, it continues to fall apart until it meets destruction.

I've noticed small shifts though which are promising. Just the other day I read and article about some girl who is going to jail for making a false rape claim. Same thing with more men I've met who are fed up with dating and women in general and their attitude is starting to reflect that and women are noticing. I think eventually things will shift back to how they used to be as far as relationships between men and women are concerned but it may get a-lot worse before it gets better. But I do sense that men as a whole are getting sick of feminism. You can just feel it slowly simmering.

You're right though, the trauma that a kid goes through seeing their parents interact in a toxic way or when the dad is completely absent has an enormous negative effect on society when that kid grows up. I have noticed that every person I've come across, both in my personal and professional life, that has caused me big trouble or just been plain difficult to deal with has come from a family where there was cheating, a divorce or a father not there. It's been absolutely consistent across the board. It's actually made me really appreciate the fact that I came from a family where my Mom and Dad stuck together and supported me. They obviously weren't perfect parents but they stuck it out and always made sure they put the family first. I remember as a kid having dinner with my Mom and Dad at the DINNER table every night.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Therapy does not really work because it still does change the fundamental dynamics of the ladies going after Chads and leaving other guys to bite the dust. It's a market issue not a psychology issue. How about if women started ignoring you and went after other guys and the women you did get with you got the shorter end of the stick and it ended badly? Would you need therapy too? People are just smug here.



Black incels get rejected by hookers too. Look at all the "no blacks" on hooker ads.

Therepy will correct your thoughts and how you handle it . She probably will get you to a state of mind that your not worried about any females who don't desire you .

 

[zekko]

It's actually made me really appreciate the fact that I came from a family where my Mom and Dad stuck together and supported me. They obviously weren't perfect parents but they stuck it out and always made sure they put the family first. I remember as a kid having dinner with my Mom and Dad at the DINNER table every night.

Yeah, I also come from a family that stayed together. When you grow up in an intact nuclear family, and actually SEE that it can be done, and the advantages that it can bring, it makes a big difference in your attitude and what you value. Contrast that with many posters here who come from broken homes, and they think that in every situation the wife is cucking her husband and riding the carousel. It's definitely harder today though.

 

[btownbuck2012]

Yeah, I also come from a family that stayed together. When you grow up in an intact nuclear family, and actually SEE that it can be done, and the advantages that it can bring, it makes a big difference in your attitude and what you value. Contrast that with many posters here who come from broken homes, and they think that in every situation the wife is cucking her husband and riding the carousel. It's definitely harder today though.

What's interesting too is that by how it's defined in the manosphere my Dad would most likely be considered a "beta". My mom however was a virgin when she met him and came from an intact family. Her Dad was a WWII vet. Same thing with my Dad. His parents stayed together. I'm not advocating acting like my Dad but my point is how important it is to find a woman who comes from an intact family with a low partner count but as you mentioned that is so rare today. Interestingly enough my mom hates feminism.

 

[Who Dares Win]

Well we cant deny we have some problem, actually more than one all connected in a cascade effect in which one of the last steps is incel rage.

First of all, basically anyone here has a group defending their rights wheter its women, minorities, convicts, lgbt and so on...yet no one gives a flying **** about your everyday normal guy, zero ****s given all around.

They are basically living in an environment where they are modern day n1ggers (im sure the black guys here wont be mad if they get what Im saying), they are expected to obey and work and most of all shut up when they are used, abused and thrown away as if the are second class citizens.

No special treatment from teachers when they are kids, no programs from institutions, invisible to girls all chasing top players...and when I say invisible I dont mean invisible as love prospect, I mean invisible in terms of human rights or dignity.

No one is going on a rampagne cause he aint getting laid, most of us here probably have sex less than once a month (ofc not the uber alphas who push away 9s and 10s twice a minute as they remind us every post).

The problem with those guys is that most of them are either fvcked up in the head cause of biology or cause of their even more fvcked up families...single mothers are a huge factor in that.

So at some point someone reach the conclusion that the whole world is his enemy, that his currenct condition is hell and there is no hope for improvement or relief...at that point they gather all the strengh they have and decide to fight back.

They see no hope cause if life sucks at 16 guess what it will be at 40, they cant imagine the existance of self improvement cause whatever they did they got ridiculed, ignored or even punished just for trying...I challenge anyone one here not to get pissed off after you've been told to do X to get Y but when you do X you get Z.

Its really so many factors that it would take an essay just to make a sum of the problems, it all starts with the modern family then the school system, ridicolously unbalanced treatment between chads and weirdos in terms of human rights not even in terms of validation and so on.

As yourself why you get this feedback from incels in the us or northern europe while you get none of that in poland or turkey or brazil.

Few decades from now sociologists will be talking about current times, the same way we talk about our society mid 20th century.

 

[wifehunter]

You are correct, but part of the reason for this is that so many of our males are being raised by single mothers. They lack the strong father figure and male role model. Which ironically, is because there isn't enough monogamy. Because if more people were monogamous, more marriages would stay together, and these boys would have their fathers around to raise them.

It doesn't do them much good to have a player father who then abandons him to be raised by his single mother, while he goes out and bangs other hos.

Better to have a harem.

 

[wifehunter]

What happens when a parent enforces that a child not touch a hot stove?

Most adults behave like children so any enforcement is going to backfire.

 

[Who Dares Win]

IMO, it's not the lack of sex pushing these kids over the edge into mass shootings. It is the relentless teasing, bullying and tormenting that isn't being stopped by politically correct, pacifist tactics employed these days.

Growing up, most of us kids were told if we had a bully problem to knock them on their ass and it'll stop. And it did. That worked. Win or lose I earned respect that way. Tell kids these days to knock a bully on his ass and you just might get a visit from child protection services.

The other part of the problem is that other kids aren't stepping in to defend the weaker ones being bullied. Kids who aren't being told to stand up for themselves certainly aren't going to stand up for anyone else.

This leaves everything unchecked.

These kids being tormented for too long eventually snap and go ape sh*t with an AK when they finally had enough.

Cant really blame someone when he felt pushed against the wall for no reason and those "in charge" not giving a fvck about it or worse yet telling to "man up" but avoid violence...thats basically enforced paranoia.

 

[Alvafe]

funny enough when I read enforce monogamy I though like my grandparents time when anyone did more then date one person he/she would be denouced(for a lack of a better word) and anyone who know he/she would pretty much never be taken, is not forced by goerment but the whole society see dating more then one person at time as a bad thing and people who try that stay alone.

now for the mass killing, last I know people will kill people for any reason, just the last fad is incels and also media focus, media will never focus on moms abandoning her childrens so she could **** the drug dealer, that is not fun and don't follow they agenda, saying males are bad and violent and they need to change and be more meeks like sheep, now that is our agenda

and we can't expect kids to do anything, just think, what our moms wanted the most? we stay quiet, don't get in trouble, and obey her, what our dads wanted? to play,have fun, be respectifull, and learn things. so in a society with kids only have mommy what you think would happen? or even worse when both parents are too busy with thenselfs who don't even care about the kid? that is the thing who gave me a lot more problems when I worked with childrens, the most troublesome annoying and fuc!<ing irritading kids was the ones who craved atencion and would do anything to get it

 

[MatureDJ]

I think incels need therapy ...

And praytell, what type of therapy would make an ugly incel suddenly desirable enough that hypergamous women would want to sex him?

 

[MatureDJ]

Yeah, I also come from a family that stayed together. When you grow up in an intact nuclear family, and actually SEE that it can be done, and the advantages that it can bring, it makes a big difference in your attitude and what you value. Contrast that with many posters here who come from broken homes, and they think that in every situation the wife is cucking her husband and riding the carousel. It's definitely harder today though.

Interesting. I have a friend from a broken family, and the 3 brothers in his family all joined the military, got the guidance that they were looking for, and are now solid citizens (the sister got knocked up though).

 

[Von]

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Incel are a specie on the verge of extinction

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I was reading about Jordan Peterson saying this, and a femynist retort about this being "absurd", and it got me interested:

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2...eterson-after-he-calls-for-enforced-monogamy/




my opinion: This is not absurd at all, and indeed is what is seen across the mammals: males who aren't getting poontang have the instinct to start fighting, especially against the alpha male getting sexed.

Peterson is a ****ing wizard. He's a modern day Gandalf or morpheus. He's a push back at the left, pc culture, and the ****ery gender neutral rubbish as well as pedaling career to women while avoiding motherhood till smv craters.

It's scary hearing this ^^^^^ from the get go. Then, attempt to do some self reflection. Actually, backtrack your perspective and what insight you have thereafter? It's telling.

I am from the nuclear family. Mom and dad still married. I am trad by nature but, what marriage has evolved into being today isn't something I would wish upon my worst enemy. It's a safe haven for cratered smv women to secure guaranteed resources. Of course, there are the anomaly LTRs that are excellent although, few and far between but I digress.

Peterson is taken out of context. The pushback is in suggesting a aim for the highest good. Would it be good if there were no single moms and incels? Obv. Women are batting way above their level and men batting way below their level.

If you listen to what he extrapolated from the biblical series, your mind is blown. From a Christian perspective, you have the holy trinity. The sacrament of marriage is the unity of man and woman becoming whole or one. This being the closest one can be to God. Even the depiction of sacrifice in its many forms throughout the Bible is pretty telling all the way to the present day. The abstraction of sacrifice in all its form.

I would like to add, there's a disregard and lack thereof in appreciation for male sacrifice. Peterson reminded me of the fact that, choosing not to sacrifice is in fact a sacrifice.

 

[AJ84]

And praytell, what type of therapy would make an ugly incel suddenly desirable enough that hypergamous women would want to sex him?

Well, considering their biggest competition is the person they see in the mirror, I would say some CBT paired with physical improvement. Get in better shape, improve on things in life that need improvement whether it be job or education. Get a hobby. Enjoy life for themselves first and foremost. Maybe some mindfulness breathing strategies to deal with any anxiety.

I've checked out a few of their forums. There's a real self deprecating mindset in some of these people, paired with hatred and hopelessness. That's a mindset that would need to be worked on.

This really goes for anyone, men or women (there are some female incels).

The other option is wallowing in despair, self pity and bitterness I suppose.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

What's interesting too is that by how it's defined in the manosphere my Dad would most likely be considered a "beta". My mom however was a virgin when she met him and came from an intact family. Her Dad was a WWII vet. Same thing with my Dad. His parents stayed together. I'm not advocating acting like my Dad but my point is how important it is to find a woman who comes from an intact family with a low partner count but as you mentioned that is so rare today. Interestingly enough my mom hates feminism.

Back then there was an order, a set of cultural rules that both sexes observed... an organized ritual or dance that people could observe. Now it is chaos, and so the concepts of Beta and Alpha come to the fore - the Alpha is forced to create a new order/ state.. as much as a fortified castle or a monastery did in the dark ages.

 

[R.U.G.]

Taking a break sounds like it's voluntary so "involuntary celibacy" would not apply there. If a dry spell is under 6 months then it still wouldn't technically qualify under that label.



With all the threads going on about how women are superficial and go for Chads, it's interesting you'd pin something like that. How about they are not Chads. A Chad with social anxiety or medical issues won't have a problem with the ladies.



There are no Black incels that are doing that.

I do not believe in labels, but if you do, that's cool. We all go through different periods in our lives. These periods sometimes elicit changes in ourselves and our surroundings. The point is to never give up and continue improving on one's self.

These are not Chads. These are social neophytes.

It's usually whites and asians, not blacks or hispanics that are incels from the reports that I've read. Not sure why. Perhaps, whites and asians are more independent in some ways? Again, not sure. The non-whites and non-asians are better social butterflies than most whites; especially during the teenage years.

 

[Spaz]

I do not believe in labels, but if you do, that's cool. We all go through different periods in our lives. These periods sometimes elicit changes in ourselves and our surroundings. The point is to never give up and continue improving on one's self.
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True.

Everyone will go through periods, it's through this periods that the old self will be destroyed and a new man emerges.

The new man that emerges will either be better or worse then the previous, it all depends on how he learns and process all that he had experienced.

A strong man will come out much more wiser and stronger.