Do you have realistic standards?

[AJ84]

I do think being physically attractive is a responsibilities that should not be over looked. I agree.

I have a work friend. Very sweet young woman. Feminine, from a traditional family, who seems to possess all the stuff many guys here say they want.

Except she’s at least 250lbs. All so those qualities won’t land her a hot fit man and she knows it. Of course we women aren’t allowed to suggest that a female friend just lose the weight because then we’re bit*ches, fat shaming etc.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I have a work friend. Very sweet young woman. Feminine, from a traditional family, who seems to possess all the stuff many guys here say they want.

Except she’s at least 250lbs. All so those qualities won’t land her a hot fit man and she knows it. Of course we women aren’t allowed to suggest that a female friend just lose the weight because then we’re bit*ches, fat shaming etc.

I told my female friend. She didn't like it but she's putting her life at risk. Plus shell advance further as a manager with a better physical image. She's 270 on 5'5". Needs at least 100 off.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I have a work friend. Very sweet young woman. Feminine, from a traditional family, who seems to possess all the stuff many guys here say they want.

Except she’s at least 250lbs. All so those qualities won’t land her a hot fit man and she knows it. Of course we women aren’t allowed to suggest that a female friend just lose the weight because then we’re bit*ches, fat shaming etc.

Inagine your friend at 140-150 hard body with the same personality. Some of the guys here might date her and be turned off red pill wise thinking g she's needy cause she affectionate and available and too nice .

 

[MrJack]

Can someone tell me what the fvck a 6/10, 9/10 and whatever else on that god forsaken "measurement" objectively means? I feel like I lose a brain cell every time you fvcking clowns use it. What's a 2/10? What's a 7/10? Please tell me

I use a standard of 0 to 2 that girls can move in between. Zero - no interest. One - sex, no relationship. Two - sex and relationship.

It’s just someone’s interpretation of how hot they think a women is. All personal preference. That’s it.

 

[AttackFormation]

It’s just someone’s interpretation of how hot they think a women is. All personal preference. That’s it.

Yeah I know, I was asking it rhetorically to hopefully get the point across that it's a useless measure because it's not objective between observers, which is the point of a measure. Better to either keep it real simple with a 0 interest > sex > sex + relationship scale, or go all out and describe the kind of women you like (involve pictures if you must). "7/10" by comparison doesn't tell anyone except yourself anything.

 

[MrJack]

Yeah I know, I was asking it rhetorically to hopefully get the point across that it's a useless measure because it's not objective between observers, which is the point of a measure. Better to either keep it real simple with a 0 interest > sex > sex + relationship scale, or go all out and describe the kind of women you like (involve pictures if you must). "7/10" by comparison doesn't tell anyone except yourself anything.

I actually think it holds some value. Women that are 6’s and below generally don’t act like they are hot shyt and are much more receptive to guys that are on a higher level than them. 7’s and up generally think they ARE hot shyt and if you are either on equal level as them or lower, it’s harder to game them.

That’s why, personally, whenever I ask for help on here with any particular situation with a women, I usually include what they are on a 1-10 scale because HOW you game a chick is slightly different depending on their “level”.

For example, a 6/10 might actually get offended if you neg her or tease her too often. A 9/10 KNOWS she’s a 9/10 so in some cases you may have to knock her off her high horse so to speak.

This is all my opinion but I feel like the game SLIGHTLY changes in how you’re supposed to interact with women depending on how hot they are.

And actually I go by the 69 scale (hehe). 10’s don’t exist and anything below a 6 is a grenade that you do not want to touch and shouldn’t waste your time with unless you’re into ugly girls lol.

Therefore they are only one of the following in my eyes, and this is all based on looks. No personality is being applied here.

6 - Not ugly but not the best. Either a good body with a below average face, or a good face with a below average body.

7 - Decent face, decent body.

8 - Hot face, Hot body.

9 - Sexy af face, sexy af body.

Of course there is some overlap for example: 7 in the face and 8 in the body... and that’s where the decimals come in lol (6.5’s, 7.5’s, 8.5’s)

And there you have it folks

 

[IKO69]

That, and these same buffoons will be the first to attack all women for "not being logical/rational" unlike they consider themselves to be. That's what irritates me.

The below 10% bf thing is based on people who take PEDs. Unless they have some kind of serious endurance hobby and diet that keeps them at or beneath 10% bf, odds are that they took drugs to get there, either to increase their muscle mass (and thus their bf effectively decreases) or to cause fat loss or both. Unfortunately, our culture is awash in drug-using fitness models, athletes and celebrities who con the gullible sheep saying it's Hard Work™ , chicken breast, broccoli and beauty sleep that does it, so that's where our standards come from.

No, you're absolutely correct and it has warped a lot of people's minds. A lot of people's issues stem from this crap you know.

I actually think it holds some value. Women that are 6’s and below generally don’t act like they are hot shyt and are much more receptive to guys that are on a higher level than them. 7’s and up generally think they ARE hot shyt and if you are either on equal level as them or lower, it’s harder to game them.

That’s why, personally, whenever I ask for help on here with any particular situation with a women, I usually include what they are on a 1-10 scale because HOW you game a chick is slightly different depending on their “level”.

For example, a 6/10 might actually get offended if you neg her or tease her too often. A 9/10 KNOWS she’s a 9/10 so in some cases you may have to knock her off her high horse so to speak.

This is all my opinion but I feel like the game SLIGHTLY changes in how you’re supposed to interact with women depending on how hot they are.

And actually I go by the 69 scale (hehe). 10’s don’t exist and anything below a 6 is a grenade that you do not want to touch and shouldn’t waste your time with unless you’re into ugly girls lol.

Therefore they are only one of the following in my eyes, and this is all based on looks. No personality is being applied here.

6 - Not ugly but not the best. Either a good body with a below average face, or a good face with a below average body.

7 - Decent face, decent body.

8 - Hot face, Hot body.

9 - Sexy af face, sexy af body.

Of course there is some overlap for example: 7 in the face and 8 in the body... and that’s where the decimals come in lol (6.5’s, 7.5’s, 8.5’s)

And there you have it folks

In regards to the first part - are you really sure? I have personally known fat cows that felt they were entitled to the most desirable guys. I've even literally seen them roll their eyes at guys that were much more attractive than them- in fact I was once caught in an argument over this situation. There is no such system in place where a person is branded a certain number and that automatically qualifies or disqualifies certain segments of the population. It's open season - women either decide they like you or not - they are not running calculations to find out just where on the scale of 1 to 10 you fit.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Yes, my standards are perfectly fine, thank you very much. From a social setting, 9s and 10s like me. Then 5-8 doesn’t. Some 8.5s do, but not as much as their hotter counterparts. 1-4s are infatuated with me.

Yeah it’s really weird why the best of the best like me but average hot babes don’t, but it’s been like this since I was just a boy though too. It kinda sucks tbh just because 9s and 10s are so rare lol. But they like me because they are so much receptive to authenticity, and tend to have higher self esteem as to not care as much about how their partner looks like and what their friends will think of them if they date someone below them in looks.

The below 10% bf thing is based on people who take PEDs. Unless they have some kind of serious endurance hobby and diet that keeps them at or beneath 10% bf, odds are that they took drugs to get there, either to increase their muscle mass (and thus their bf effectively decreases) or to cause fat loss or both. Unfortunately, our culture is awash in drug-using fitness models, athletes and celebrities who con the gullible sheep saying it's Hard Work™ , chicken breast, broccoli and beauty sleep that does it, so that's where our standards come from.

Bull****. I’ve been under 8% since I was 13 at least, probably closer to 11 though lol. I’ve even hit 5% (or maybe even below) probably around 7 times in that time period too (although it’s not sustainable and I usually only held it for a few days). Then again, my mom never really fed me, and always did put me in sports, and I always worked super hard in them anyway. Not to mention I also have heart palpitations sometimes. And trained like an Olympian for several years.

I don’t do that anymore though. I skip workouts and I eat a crap ton of fast food nowadays. It used to better tbh. But I never took any PEDs. And I’ve been maintaining around 6.5% for almost a year now. I just adapted my mindset almost akin to men who first enter prison so that my test levels skyrocket when I want them to.

 

[IKO69]

Yes, my standards are perfectly fine, thank you very much. From a social setting, 9s and 10s like me. Then 5-8 doesn’t. Some 8.5s do, but not as much as their hotter counterparts. 1-4s are infatuated with me.

Yeah it’s really weird why the best of the best like me but average hot babes don’t, but it’s been like this since I was just a boy though too. It kinda sucks tbh just because 9s and 10s are so rare lol. But they like me because they are so much receptive to authenticity, and tend to have higher self esteem as to not care as much about how their partner looks like and what their friends will think of them if they date someone below them in looks.

Bull****. I’ve been under 8% since I was 13 at least, probably closer to 11 though lol. I’ve even hit 5% (or maybe even below) probably around 7 times in that time period too (although it’s not sustainable and I usually only held it for a few days). Then again, my mom never really fed me, and always did put me in sports, and I always worked super hard in them anyway. Not to mention I also have heart palpitations sometimes. And trained like an Olympian for several years.

I don’t do that anymore though. I skip workouts and I eat a crap ton of fast food nowadays. It used to better tbh. But I never took any PEDs. And I’ve been maintaining around 6.5% for almost a year now. I just adapted my mindset almost akin to men who first enter prison so that my test levels skyrocket when I want them to.

Yes bull****. So you have had a body fat % all these years close to a professional bodybuilders? Bulllllllllll ****ing ****.

 

[skinnyguy]

too much blaming of men on this site.

i'm sure you guys would blame a 5'4 asian or indian guy for "not working hard enough" while rewarding a 6'5 white guy who's dad was a football player.

genetics is 90% of getting laid. super duper BLUE PILL to say that guys who aren't good looking only have themselves to blame.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes, my standards are perfectly fine, thank you very much. From a social setting, 9s and 10s like me. Then 5-8 doesn’t. Some 8.5s do, but not as much as their hotter counterparts. 1-4s are infatuated with me.

Yeah it’s really weird why the best of the best like me but average hot babes don’t, but it’s been like this since I was just a boy though too. It kinda sucks tbh just because 9s and 10s are so rare lol. But they like me because they are so much receptive to authenticity, and tend to have higher self esteem as to not care as much about how their partner looks like and what their friends will think of them if they date someone below them in looks.

Bull****. I’ve been under 8% since I was 13 at least, probably closer to 11 though lol. I’ve even hit 5% (or maybe even below) probably around 7 times in that time period too (although it’s not sustainable and I usually only held it for a few days). Then again, my mom never really fed me, and always did put me in sports, and I always worked super hard in them anyway. Not to mention I also have heart palpitations sometimes. And trained like an Olympian for several years.

I don’t do that anymore though. I skip workouts and I eat a crap ton of fast food nowadays. It used to better tbh. But I never took any PEDs. And I’ve been maintaining around 6.5% for almost a year now. I just adapted my mindset almost akin to men who first enter prison so that my test levels skyrocket when I want them to.

6% is cross striations in quads and lower abs veins.

 

[IKO69]

too much blaming of men on this site.

i'm sure you guys would blame a 5'4 asian or indian guy for "not working hard enough" while rewarding a 6'5 white guy who's dad was a football player.

genetics is 90% of getting laid. super duper BLUE PILL to say that guys who aren't good looking only have themselves to blame.

I've seen short asian and indian guys with hot girls (usually of their race) tho.
It does ultimately come back on the man because he has to adapt and overcome his situation. I don't necessarily agree with ****ting on him but crying boo hoo and wanting the world to bend over backwards for him isn't going to happen. We all KNOW THIS deep down and have to figure things out for ourselves.

I agree with you, yes, our genetics are the main determinant....you can look at some guy and think he is ugly and "lacking" but he is perfectly capable of pulling. Last time I checked there's not just "beautiful" people walking around.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I've seen short asian and indian guys with hot girls (usually of their race) tho.
It does ultimately come back on the man because he has to adapt and overcome his situation. I don't necessarily agree with ****ting on him but crying boo hoo and wanting the world to bend over backwards for him isn't going to happen. We all KNOW THIS deep down and have to figure things out for ourselves.

He can get babes if he's built and has confidence and swag.

 

[Infern0]

Btw realistically I consider myself a 8/10

I have decent face and style plus my physique which is top 5%

Before I tidied up id say I was a 5.5/10 slightly above average face but totally average in every respect.

Once id got my **** together physically my ability to get chicks was like 10x what it was before and in some ways I actually had WORSE game for a while because I went through a long depression due family BS

Yeah, I hate that ****....because obviously someone's idea of an 8 I could consider a 4 and vice versa.

I do want to say one thing --- I always see people throw around %20 body fat meaning that you look like a slob. People always point towards sub 10% as being ideal....I did a quick google search to see the difference between the two and looooool. Most people will not get to 10 or below....and actually most guys you see walking around pulling have a body fat % close to 20. Most people don't really go or work out at the gym religiously.

12% is the sweet spot, below 10 isn't healthy long term.

What I'm saying is you can go the red technique if you are 20% or you can be 12% and just let them come to you.

 

[IKO69]

He can get babes if he's built and has confidence and swag.

Yes no doubt but I think the poster's point was if the guy doesn't fit a certain standard he is ****ed an no one will want him. I will never agree with that. We have all seen guys in public before that we thought (and I hate having to say this about another man) that were "ugly" but yet maybe they were with their girlfriend, hell sometimes the girlfriend is even pretty good looking. I think some people cna't understand not all people share society/the media's concept of what is "beautiful".

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yes no doubt but I think the poster's point was if the guy doesn't fit a certain standard he is ****ed an no one will want him. I will never agree with that. We have all seen guys in public before that we thought (and I hate having to say this about another man) that were "ugly" but yet maybe they were with their girlfriend, hell sometimes the girlfriend is even pretty good looking. I think some people cna't understand not all people share society/the media's concept of what is "beautiful".

All women don't want a "fine" dude many want "average" and by definition most are near average.

 

[Infern0]

too much blaming of men on this site.

i'm sure you guys would blame a 5'4 asian or indian guy for "not working hard enough" while rewarding a 6'5 white guy who's dad was a football player.

genetics is 90% of getting laid. super duper BLUE PILL to say that guys who aren't good looking only have themselves to blame.

Looked the 5'4" Indian guy got dealt a bad hand theres no doubting that.

Thing is he's going to have to scale his expectations.

That's the equivalent of being born a 6'2" woman with very masculine features, she's also got a bad hand and won't be getting brad pitt.

It's not about blaming men its about taking responsibility and being realistic.

NOBODY IS owed a hot girl, and 90% is not "genetic", sure you have your outliers but the average dude is gonna be 5'11" with an average body, average face.

If that guy hits the gym and gets some style to him he's suddenly above average!

If he chooses not to do that and blame genetics then he don't deserve ****.

 

[bigdave17]

That, and these same buffoons will be the first to attack all women for "not being logical/rational" unlike they consider themselves to be. That's what irritates me.

The below 10% bf thing is based on people who take PEDs. Unless they have some kind of serious endurance hobby and diet that keeps them at or beneath 10% bf, odds are that they took drugs to get there, either to increase their muscle mass (and thus their bf effectively decreases) or to cause fat loss or both. Unfortunately, our culture is awash in drug-using fitness models, athletes and celebrities who con the gullible sheep saying it's Hard Work™ , chicken breast, broccoli and beauty sleep that does it, so that's where our standards come from.

i have multiple friends at 9% body fat year found

its all about diet. You have to massively restrict your eating to where you are mildly hungry all day to get to 9%. Once you get there, its way easier to maintain...you just have to not overeat. Eat normal

 

[bigdave17]

I have a work friend. Very sweet young woman. Feminine, from a traditional family, who seems to possess all the stuff many guys here say they want.

Except she’s at least 250lbs. All so those qualities won’t land her a hot fit man and she knows it. Of course we women aren’t allowed to suggest that a female friend just lose the weight because then we’re bit*ches, fat shaming etc.

its not that hard to be in shape

she's just a food emotional addict like 99% of fatties. She could look like a pornstar with 2 years of working out and massively restricting your eating...but you can't restrict eating when you are an emotional eater and you need food to feel ok with yourself

fatties need garbage food like drug addicts need heroin

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Yes bull****. So you have had a body fat % all these years close to a professional bodybuilders? Bulllllllllll ****ing ****.

I posted a picture in the health and fitness section. 10 months ago I underwent hydrostatic weighing which is pretty much the most accurate you can get. Go look it up, lazy weakling.