Do you have realistic standards?

[Infern0]

One thing I see a lot of is guys who are.... average at best, who only want 7/10+ women.

You see this a LOT in the MGTOW community.

I'm talking 20% bodyfat, twig arms skinnyfat dudes in their 30s wearing an ill fitted Polo Shirt, awful haircut, poorly groomed.

We talk about 20% of men getting all the women but is that because 80% of men are slobs.

(Before I get told idk what I'm talking of because I have "god tier genetics" trust me I didn't always look like i do now)

 

[MrJack]

One thing I see a lot of is guys who are.... average at best, who only want 7/10+ women.

You see this a LOT in the MGTOW community.

I'm talking 20% bodyfat, twig arms skinnyfat dudes in their 30s wearing an ill fitted Polo Shirt, awful haircut, poorly groomed.

We talk about 20% of men getting all the women but is that because 80% of men are slobs.

(Before I get told idk what I'm talking of because I have "god tier genetics" trust me I didn't always look like i do now)

I only want 7/10 or higher because I consider myself an 8 based on what some women have told me and those tier women are the women who show me initial interest so at that point it’s up to my game.

However I’ll take the odd 6 here and there lol. She has to be the type of 6 with a decent/great body and maybe not the best face. Not the other way around.

I have pretty good genetics like yourself.

However I don’t consider my top 20% overall. Maybe top 30-40%.

Once I get my ass back in the gym consistently I can upgrade to like an 8.5 lol.

 

[IUDonger]

One thing I see a lot of is guys who are.... average at best, who only want 7/10+ women.

You see this a LOT in the MGTOW community.

I'm talking 20% bodyfat, twig arms skinnyfat dudes in their 30s wearing an ill fitted Polo Shirt, awful haircut, poorly groomed.

We talk about 20% of men getting all the women but is that because 80% of men are slobs.

(Before I get told idk what I'm talking of because I have "god tier genetics" trust me I didn't always look like i do now)

I've cut off most women because I know I'm a work in progress. I'm down almost 30 lbs and need to get my **** together, but eventually, I feel I can get a 7-9.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I've cut off most women because I know I'm a work in progress. I'm down almost 30 lbs and need to get my **** together, but eventually, I feel I can get a 7-9.

Are you fvcking? Fat dudes with game and social proof can fvck them.

 

[IUDonger]

Are you fvcking? Fat dudes with game and social proof can fvck them.

I was. Just going through my MGTOW phase at the moment. I'm 6'4", about 270. Lot of damaged broads out there at the moment, just trying to focus on my life and myself. It feels really good.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I was. Just going through my MGTOW phase at the moment. I'm 6'4", about 270. Lot of damaged broads out there at the moment, just trying to focus on my life and myself. It feels really good.

Give us updated to life successes and gains. Yes bunches of damaged females.

 

[soulforge]

I only started getting the 7-8s once I got physically in good shape, and my confidence just went through the roof.

Prior to that, when I was a skinny dude, I guess I did okay.. Mostly 5-6

I had low confidence back thern too.. But gym\bodybuilding changed all that.. I got stronger on the inside too!

If you want to slay the 7-8-9's then Bruv you need to earn that chit by making some major IMPROVEMENTS!!

 

[AJ84]

I don’t see hot fit girls with fat guys. Not sure where that happens.

I did once go to college with a hot fit girl who dated a fat guy who she was with since high school. She eventually got fat like him because if he doesn’t look good and she plans on staying with him where’s her motivation to stay hot?

This is why guys should look the best they can so crap like that doesn’t happen and it keeps us on our toes to make that effort to look good because you do. Or, it should anyway.

 

[Von]

My standards are realistic... I date/gang/LTR whatever responds to me and meet me

Someone mentionned MGTOW.. I saw a video on YouTube about "single mothers" most video commenter's where complaining about how "single mothers prioritize their own kids over "them aka guy they date who ain't the father biologically" .... How more real can you get?

Like Freud said: MGTOW wants to date their mothers, Feminists wants to date their dad.

Some girl at work said I gained weight / lost muscle... gotta get back to the gym. I've been lazy recently or overworked with study/life.

However, I am much better than 1 year ago.

"Life happens when you making other plan"

 

[resilient]

Some girl at work said I gained weight / lost muscle... gotta get back to the gym. I've been lazy recently or overworked with study/life.

Same dude. I'm doing kickboxing and weights almost daily this month. The gains have been slow. It could be diet related. With long periods of crunch study time... perhaps getting up to go outside stretch, 5 min. jog, push ups, burpees in between 30/45/60 min. study blocks.

When my confidence is low, body is out of shape, social spheres inactive, going through a dry spell, I'll lower my standards drastically that it looks bad/pathetic. I felt strong and IDGAF when I was ripped last summer. It's been tough to get back to that point. I do want to though.

 

[IKO69]

I don't like to use the numbering system but I've had hot chix like me before so internally I know it can happen again. I am on my grind so I expect big things. If a woman doesn't like me or blows me off I can't careless and even laugh at her

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I don’t see hot fit girls with fat guys. Not sure where that happens.

I did once go to college with a hot fit girl who dated a fat guy who she was with since high school. She eventually got fat like him because if he doesn’t look good and she plans on staying with him where’s her motivation to stay hot?

This is why guys should look the best they can so crap like that doesn’t happen and it keeps us on our toes to make that effort to look good because you do. Or, it should anyway.

Rapper and social circle or frat fat guys with game can pull these females. They rather that than a unconnected handsome guy.

 

[MrJack]

I was. Just going through my MGTOW phase at the moment. I'm 6'4", about 270. Lot of damaged broads out there at the moment, just trying to focus on my life and myself. It feels really good.

I was in that phase as well until I realized I might as well be working on spinning plates at the same time.

I feel like some guys get stuck in that phase because they think they need to be “perfect” before going for the women and then they never end up gaining experience and improving with them.

Absolutely nothing wrong with working on becoming your best self but part of becoming your best self is getting good with women IMO.

How much more weight are you trying to lose down from your current 270? Losing weight is a long dedicated process so think about all the opportunities over the months that you might be missing out on because you “aren’t ready”

Just food for thought. Keep at it bruddah.

 

[AttackFormation]

Can someone tell me what the fvck a 6/10, 9/10 and whatever else on that god forsaken "measurement" objectively means? I feel like I lose a brain cell every time you fvcking clowns use it. What's a 2/10? What's a 7/10? Please tell me

I use a standard of 0 to 2 that girls can move in between. Zero - no interest. One - sex, no relationship. Two - sex and relationship.

 

[IKO69]

Can someone tell me what the fvck a 6/10, 7/10, 9/10 and whatever else on that god forsaken "measurement" objectively means? I feel like I lose a brain cell every time I see you fvcking clowns use it.

I use a standard of 0 to 2. Zero - no interest. One - sex, no relationship. Two - sex and relationship.

Yeah, I hate that ****....because obviously someone's idea of an 8 I could consider a 4 and vice versa.

I do want to say one thing --- I always see people throw around %20 body fat meaning that you look like a slob. People always point towards sub 10% as being ideal....I did a quick google search to see the difference between the two and looooool. Most people will not get to 10 or below....and actually most guys you see walking around pulling have a body fat % close to 20. Most people don't really go or work out at the gym religiously.

 

[IUDonger]

I was in that phase as well until I realized I might as well be working on spinning plates at the same time.

I feel like some guys get stuck in that phase because they think they need to be “perfect” before going for the women and then they never end up gaining experience and improving with them.

Absolutely nothing wrong with working on becoming your best self but part of becoming your best self is getting good with women IMO.

How much more weight are you trying to lose down from your current 270? Losing weight is a long dedicated process so think about all the opportunities over the months that you might be missing out on because you “aren’t ready”

Just food for thought. Keep at it bruddah.

Thanks bro! I'm trying to get to 250-260 range, and I am still trying to spin plates, albeit not a much as I could be. I am joining several professional networking groups for business owners in the next few months and will have opportunities then. Appreciate it.

 

[AttackFormation]

Yeah, I hate that ****....because obviously someone's idea of an 8 I could consider a 4 and vice versa.

I do want to say one thing --- I always see people throw around %20 body fat meaning that you look like a slob. People always point towards sub 10% as being ideal....I did a quick google search to see the difference between the two and looooool. Most people will not get to 10 or below....and actually most guys you see walking around pulling have a body fat % close to 20. Most people don't really go or work out at the gym religiously.

That, and these same buffoons will be the first to attack all women for "not being logical/rational" unlike they consider themselves to be. That's what irritates me.

The below 10% bf thing is based on people who take PEDs. Unless they have some kind of serious endurance hobby and diet that keeps them at or beneath 10% bf, odds are that they took drugs to get there, either to increase their muscle mass (and thus their bf effectively decreases) or to cause fat loss or both. Unfortunately, our culture is awash in drug-using fitness models, athletes and celebrities who con the gullible sheep saying it's Hard Work™ , chicken breast, broccoli and beauty sleep that does it, so that's where our standards come from.

 

[AJ84]

Rapper and social circle or frat fat guys with game can pull these females. They rather that than a unconnected handsome guy.

I’m referring to genuine attraction, not fake attraction for connections, status or money, where they guy is just being used and dumped later.

 

[jaymbrs]

I don’t see hot fit girls with fat guys. Not sure where that happens.

I did once go to college with a hot fit girl who dated a fat guy who she was with since high school. She eventually got fat like him because if he doesn’t look good and she plans on staying with him where’s her motivation to stay hot?

This is why guys should look the best they can so crap like that doesn’t happen and it keeps us on our toes to make that effort to look good because you do. Or, it should anyway.

I know of a couple like that right now. I've shown pics of them to most of my friends and a lot of us are dumbfounded by how this marriage happened. She's a coworker of mine. We chalked it up to something being wrong with her that's not physical.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

I’m referring to genuine attraction, not fake attraction for connections, status or money, where they guy is just being used and dumped later.

I do think being physically attractive is a responsibilities that should not be over looked. I agree.