Do you guys find attractive, single, undamaged women at this age?

[Phyzzle]

Oh, and I went to college in Baltimore. It's the East Coast Mecca of unnattractiveness. Simply moving to the New York area or down to the Florida area might make an impact on the lack of good options. I've always thought of Baltimore as a "hick" city. All the traffic of LA with all the charm and variety of Sh!tsville, Oklahoma.

 

[Wyldfire]

Okay...first I posted and it showed up 3 times and I went to edit the last one and saved it and there was only one post left and I had edited away my post.

The forum is on crack tonight...

 

[squirrels]

Any woman who will not date you while she is dating someone else is a good sign. Those women are more likely to be decent women.

What you're talking about is a high-school mentality, that "dating" is somehow a serious commitment. As I see it, this is the exact social stigma that RUINS the male-female dynamic in America. Making good women feel like slvts because they want to actually see what hte dating field has to offer and settle down with the RIGHT man, instead of taking the first guy that comes, feeling unnaturally committed to him after a few dates, and missing that opportunity.

 

[STR8UP]

It's once you hit 35+ that you've peaked, and things start going downhill. Why do I say that? Because 50% of all women are married by the age of 25. The latter 50% (half) is composed of a larger portion of undesirables. You have to date women a full 10 years younger to keep 50% (the less desirable 50%) of the dating pool. But it doesn't last for long since 80% marry before 30. By the time you're 40, it's slim pickings indeed if you are looking for a never-married, childless, attractive girl.

I dunno man, I'm creepin' up on 36 and it feels like I'm just getting started.

It's more about your attitude. If you go into your late 30's thinking you are headed "downhill", that's exactly where you're gonna end up.

 

[STR8UP]

I can't help feeling like I'mma keep on finding girls who are fun to f*ck but not worth a sh!t to keep around until I'm lke 35, and then just give up on continuing my progeny or finding a long-term mate.

Are there any REAL WOMEN out there? It seems like only men ever "emerge from the matrix".

It doesn't get any better when you hit 35, TRUST ME. If anything it gets WORSE, simply because you don't have the benefit of the wool being pulled over your blissfully ignorant eyes when you get older and learn how to see through it all.

And I agree. It's really only men who emerge from the matrix. It seems that as much as women are into self help and crap they have a hard time improving when it comes to relations with the opposite sex.

 

[STR8UP]

squirrels,

The women you describe - women that can think for themselves, who don't live in the matrix, and who are attractive, mature, and don't have baggage most certainly DO exist. Yes, even in America, and even in your neck of the woods.

But they are rare. Top 3 percent rare. And if they can think for themselves, and thus understand their true value, they know they're in very high demand.

That sounds about right.

I would say that I know about 100 girls and I can think of 2-3 who are absolutely knock your socks off beautiful, and I'm talking inside and out. And the thing is, they are all taken.

(in the meantime, while you're considering the value concept, go out and bang some more hot party skanks. That's what they're there for )

:yes:

 

[Last Man Standing]

The hor pool is good but what do you mean by "dating"???

Wyldfire is a Disinfo agent - do not listen to her - the worst perspective on Sosuave - damn near everything she states is wrong for the man!!!!!!!!

 

[Master Bates]

I would say that I know about 100 girls and I can think of 2-3 who are absolutely knock your socks off beautiful, and I'm talking inside and out.

I honestly think it's much lower than that.

There are a lot of messed up chicks and swamp toad faces out there.

 

[Wyldfire]

What you're talking about is a high-school mentality, that "dating" is somehow a serious commitment. As I see it, this is the exact social stigma that RUINS the male-female dynamic in America. Making good women feel like slvts because they want to actually see what hte dating field has to offer and settle down with the RIGHT man, instead of taking the first guy that comes, feeling unnaturally committed to him after a few dates, and missing that opportunity.

lol...you're only saying that because when women won't date more than one person at a time you have less people you can date. I don't like dating more person than once. If you do that then it usually means you end up hurting someone and leading them on, even if unintentionally. That's why a decent woman is less likely to date more than one man at a time.

 

[squirrels]

lol...you're only saying that because when women won't date more than one person at a time you have less people you can date. I don't like dating more person than once. If you do that then it usually means you end up hurting someone and leading them on, even if unintentionally. That's why a decent woman is less likely to date more than one man at a time.

How are you leading someone on? If there's no commitment, there's no commitment. If a guy is being "led on", it's his OWN fault for having tunnel vision. If he wanted her that bad, he should've put a ring on her finger, or at least "gone steady/exclusive" with her. Otherwise he's at fault for not having problems and falling victim to the dreaded "one-itis".

If you're right for her and she's right for you, then neither one of you will be dating other people anyway. And it won't be because "you want to be respectful of the other person", it'll be because you've found what you want and YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE. That is the ONLY reason to be exclusive. Anything else is social bullsh!t.

 

[squirrels]

(in the meantime, while you're considering the value concept, go out and bang some more hot party skanks. That's what they're there for )

LOL...yeah, I'm thinking the same thing.

 

[wayword]

It doesn't get any better when you hit 35, TRUST ME. If anything it gets WORSE, simply because you don't have the benefit of the wool being pulled over your blissfully ignorant eyes when you get older and learn how to see through it all.

And I agree. It's really only men who emerge from the matrix. It seems that as much as women are into self help and crap they have a hard time improving when it comes to relations with the opposite sex.

I agree, you learn to recognize all the red flags off the bat.

And women here don't improve because they don't have to. They are swamped with AFCs begging for them no matter how f'd up they are.

Honestly, the older I get, the more I start considering getting a foreign woman for an LTR. I mean, logistics aside, it would HANDS-DOWN be a NO BRAINER. The quality is just not here. The main kawkblock though is the logistics. It would probably require me to relocate abroad.

 

[Vulpine]

The hor pool is good but what do you mean by "dating"???

Wyldfire is a Disinfo agent - do not listen to her - the worst perspective on Sosuave - damn near everything she states is wrong for the man!!!!!!!!

I can't believe the numbers of people I would have considered "intelligent" arguing with her.

If you don't have the wherewithal to click the "ignore" button, you certainly can't afford to complain about her, much less quarrel with her.

So if you want to attract a top 3 percenter, ask yourself - am I a top 3 percenter? What is my value as a man?

While on this forum we like to advocate maintaining the prize mentality, and working behavioral psychology to our favor, I think the concept of becoming a man of value is well under-discussed here.

Don't mistake this post as acquiescence to feminized ideals. It's more a reality check. There are so many threads here, especially on the Mature board, that lament a lack of outstanding women, when the reality is that there are just as few men who are highly valuable as there are women.

You know, I could agree with this. However, the concept of "value" and "comparing" value just seems... off. Am I a 7 or an 8? Is she a 4 or a 9? :crazy:

The whole idea of "rating" yourself... what are you going to use as the standard? What are you measuring yourself against? Who is better, and who is worse?

What I'm driving at is this: "value" implies external validation. That is, gauging yourself against everyone else is just an exercise to give yourself bad self-esteem or a complex.

You only see what others show. You may perceive people as "9's", but they may actually be "4's" and good looks is the ONLY thing going for them.

And the whole "establishing your value" deal shows that you aren't HAPPY WITH YOURSELF. Comparing yourself to others in order to feel "OK"? Ridiculous.

[stewart smalley from SNL looking in the mirror telling himself "I'm O.K., and that's... O.K." :crackup:]

So, "becoming a man of value" is often misconstrued. Yeah, make money. Sure, lift weights. Fine, travel. The most valuable a man can be is when he is happy with himself. Confidence = happy with yourself/content with yourself = value. So, don't look outside yourself for value. Instead, consider what YOU perceive as "valuable", and work to meet YOUR goals - not the goals of the rest of society: what would make you the happiest?

I'm not diagreeing with becoming a man of value. More, I'm saying one should strive to be happy. Happiness itself is far more valuable than anything society could ever think of you. In the grand scheme of life, happiness is the greatest prize, isn't it?

 

[squirrels]

WyldFire is only trying to help...but her thinking is more part of the problem than part of the solution.

 

[Wyldfire]

How are you leading someone on? If there's no commitment, there's no commitment. If a guy is being "led on", it's his OWN fault for having tunnel vision. If he wanted her that bad, he should've put a ring on her finger, or at least "gone steady/exclusive" with her. Otherwise he's at fault for not having problems and falling victim to the dreaded "one-itis".

If you're right for her and she's right for you, then neither one of you will be dating other people anyway. And it won't be because "you want to be respectful of the other person", it'll be because you've found what you want and YOU DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE. That is the ONLY reason to be exclusive. Anything else is social bullsh!t.

lol...it really bothers you that a lot of women don't date multiple men at once, doesn't it? You have to take an honest look at what men and women get from dating or are looking for from dating. Men are usually looking for a regular source of sex more than anything. Women are usually looking for a LTR when they date. It doesn't matter as much to men whether it's one woman or a bunch of women when their primary purpose in dating is finding a warm body they are attracted to. Because a woman's goal is different it does matter because she is trying to determine whether or not the man is someone she will end up in a LTR with. Dating a bunch of different men hinders her ability to develop such a relationship with anyone. To you it doesn't make sense because you aren't looking at dating from a woman's perspective...you're looking at it from a man's perspective.

 

[squirrels]

lol...it really bothers you that a lot of women don't date multiple men at once, doesn't it? You have to take an honest look at what men and women get from dating or are looking for from dating. Men are usually looking for a regular source of sex more than anything. Women are usually looking for a LTR when they date. It doesn't matter as much to men whether it's one woman or a bunch of women when their primary purpose in dating is finding a warm body they are attracted to. Because a woman's goal is different it does matter because she is trying to determine whether or not the man is someone she will end up in a LTR with. Dating a bunch of different men hinders her ability to develop such a relationship with anyone. To you it doesn't make sense because you aren't looking at dating from a woman's perspective...you're looking at it from a man's perspective.

Sure...we're all pigs interested in only one thing.

I want an "LTR" too, eventually. But I believe in finding the PERSON first and then letting the relationship develop on its own. People are so anxious for the RELATIONSHIP...women especially...that they build it hastily and lock themselves into it whether the guy is there with them or not. And AFC men do this too.

The relationship isn't what's important. What's important is the other person and what they contribute to your life/what you contribute to theirs. "Relationship" is just a label we give to this circumstance so we can talk about it in our language. It's not a real "thing". You can't look for it. It's a good idea.

As I said, if two people are REALLY right for each other, they should be able to go through their entire lives with an OPEN relationship and still NEVER be with anyone except each other. It's not that someone isn't socially or legally ALLOWED to seek gratification outside the relationship that makes it strong...it's that neither party WANTS to.

 

[Wyldfire]

I agree, you learn to recognize all the red flags off the bat.

And women here don't improve because they don't have to. They are swamped with AFCs begging for them no matter how f'd up they are.

Honestly, the older I get, the more I start considering getting a foreign woman for an LTR. I mean, logistics aside, it would HANDS-DOWN be a NO BRAINER. The quality is just not here. The main kawkblock though is the logistics. It would probably require me to relocate abroad.

You're probably going to think I'm a rotten biotch for this...but I'm going to post anyway because my intent is to help you. Go back and read what Red Pill wrote. He's right about there being good women right here in America.

I can almost guarantee you that the main reason you are having a hard time finding decent women in America is because

1) You come across as being an extremely negative person and no one enjoys being around negative people.

2) You have allowed the feminism debate to control your life, attitudes and experiences in such a way that you can no longer see the trees for the forest. You're suffering from rhetoric overload and you really need to take a step back and take your life back.

3) If you want to attract a good, healthy woman than you need to be a good, healthy man. Perhaps deep down you've got that in you...I don't know...but I can say this much...if it is deep down within you no one will ever be able to see it because of the negativity and allowing your life to revolve around an extremely unhealthy obsession with feminism.

Sure...you can run away from your inability to form a quality and healthy relationship with women in America...but once you reach your destination you will ultimately find that whatever problems and issues you thought the women in the US were to blame for are only going to follow you wherever you go.

You've got to stop avoiding self-improvement by blaming American women for things that don't go your way.

Go ahead and call me a biotch and get it out if you must...but the bottom line is this...there are plenty of men from all over the world on this forum...and men have these same problems everywhere...not just in the US. We've had guys who live in Pakistan who had the same problems every other guy on here has...and the culture there is not unduly impacted by feminism. Deal with your issues and the quality of women you are able to attract will improve dramatically.

 

[Wyldfire]

Sure...we're all pigs interested in only one thing.

I want an "LTR" too, eventually. But I believe in finding the PERSON first and then letting the relationship develop on its own. People are so anxious for the RELATIONSHIP...women especially...that they build it hastily and lock themselves into it whether the guy is there with them or not. And AFC men do this too.

The relationship isn't what's important. What's important is the other person and what they contribute to your life/what you contribute to theirs. "Relationship" is just a label we give to this circumstance so we can talk about it in our language. It's not a real "thing". You can't look for it. It's a good idea.

As I said, if two people are REALLY right for each other, they should be able to go through their entire lives with an OPEN relationship and still NEVER be with anyone except each other. It's not that someone isn't socially or legally ALLOWED to seek gratification outside the relationship that makes it strong...it's that neither party WANTS to.

squirrels...I'm only being honest. Even when men are looking for a LTR, what is the most important thing to them in that relationship? Sex. It's just the way men are wired and is the nature of things. I'm not telling you that men should feel bad about that. Yes, the fact that women are less likely to date multiple men at once can make things harder for guys like you who would like to meet a decent woman more quickly...but it's just the way most women are most comfortable dating. For myself, if I tried to date even just two men at once it would lead me to be much harder on the men. If one of them made a mistake I would be less likely to overlook even the slightest error on his part.

Be careful what you wish for...dating multiple women helps the guys here not get attached as easily to the wrong kind of women...but it also makes them more likely to toss the baby out with the bathwater over some very minor, unfair and misguided reasons. It's challenging enough for guys to find a decent woman as it is...do you really want women to be as hard on men as men here are on women? That's what would happen...and if you got it you most likely would end up wishing you hadn't.

 

[wayword]

You've got to stop avoiding self-improvement by blaming American women for things that don't go your way.

I disagree.

You see, I've actually BEEN in the EU before, so I can compare these 2 places using myself as a constant variable.

Let's just say in the few weeks I spent there, I met more drop-dead gorgeous high-quality women than I have in my entire life here.

I know a few ex-pats in the EU too - who now have EU girlfriends and simply REFUSE to date American women anymore. There's just no comparison. Not even close. They agree that the best you can do in the US is sport-phuck some hot party sloots but the hot quality girls for LTRs just don't really exist anymore.

It doesn't matter what quality you are here - the bottom line is that you will get better quality girls there than you can here. If you are a 5 here who can date 5s...you may become a 7 there who can date 7s. And this goes for most every country outside of the US, for most of us.

We're talking gorgeous young women with no kids, eager to have fun with you. Mentally sane. Well-educated. No chips on their shoulders against men or a laundry list of gripes and wants. These girls are multilingual, multicultural and politically-aware. They show respect and loyalty. And they also enjoy cooking! Not to mention do you know how f'n hot a Swedish accent is? WOW!

Anyhow, my views here are based upon actual experience - and you simply can't argue against experience, sorry.
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Not to mention, do I really have to self-improve or self-destruct to get hot girls here? Due to our ghetto culture, isn't it typically more of the latter?

 

[Wyldfire]

wayword...spending a couple of weeks somewhere can't give you a realistic picture of what it would be like to live somewhere full time. You also can't get to know anyone well enough in that short of a time to really know what they are like. On top of that...being a visitor to a different county and observing the society and culture as such is a far cry different from actually living there and abiding by the cultural and societal norms and expectations.

I really wish some men who actually live in different places where American men honestly believe it's so much easier for men would post about what their experiences are like. It's not all gumdrops and lollipops...and so many American men get conned out of a lot of money because they are convinced foreign women all the answer to all their prayers.