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Do you believe in fate/destiny?

miguel t

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I have a really good asian friend who believes in one's own fate that you are born with. After hearing his beliefs, i am starting to believe that some people are meant to be live alone/die alone. Let me tell you about my situation. I just turned 34, looks real young (i look about 25-27) works for school district (guest teacher) makes about $40.000 a year, own a brand new home, just bought a 2006 rav4 and manage to saved up about $30.000 in the bank .. and of course i am still single, still shy, and total fawkwit when it comes to women. I feel like i missed the boat because 40 is approaching really fast. And i see a same pattern here with many many guys ... are we meant to be alone and jack off to computer screen rest of our pathetic lives?

Btw, this asian dude i was talking about is 32, unemployed, but married to a HOT HOT HOT asian women who is totally loyal to him. She cleans, cooks, pays all the bill in the house ... and she is really pretty.

It doesn't matter your face/body type, how much you make, education level ... i am starting to believe that meeting a women to attract/love you takes certain kind of luck and timing.

Life is so fawking unfair ....
 

Francisco d'Anconia

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People have little control over their fate but over their destiny they have considerable control.
 

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do you believe in fate?

no

why not?

Because I don't like the idea that I am not in control of my life.
 

joekerr31

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well logically its undeniable that we all live fate-driven lives.
if you believe in causality then you believe in fate.

causality being that a leads to b leads to c, each event is set in motion by a prior event.

if you scratch your nose, its because something made it itch. something made it itch because something else made that something do something. hehe.

people think they have free will because they feel as though they can choose between option a or b. but there's no way to prove that they could have chosen different than what they did. if they choose A they can't reverse time, line up all the variables exactly as they were (including being unaware that they are about to prove they have choice) and then choose B.

yes, there are tons of people who hit a stage in their life and CHOOSE to change things and do. BUT, for whatever the reason, its actually a cummulation of antecedent events which pile up and for no apparent reason flick a switch that causes this change.

now, the only way to over ride fate (if this is even possible) is to do things that you dont feel comfortable doing but that you know you should. you might be afraid to go to the gym, but do it anyway. you might detest eating healthy but you do it anyway. you may be afraid to ask that girl out, but you do it anyway. you might be anxious about getting a new wardrobe but do it anyway. you might be nervous about joining extra curricular activities but do it anyway.

basically, FEAR is the main mechanism by which fate keeps you moving in a straight line. overcoming fear seems to have amazing side effects, including unsuspecting positively things.

so in a sense, i believe we are controlled by fate up until the point where we stop being afraid. at this point we gain just a sliver of freedom - enough though that it makes a big difference.

but i also suppose that in the grand scheme of things the antecedents that lead me to this conclusion were all part of my "fate". had i not experienced certain things, read certain books, etc. (all of which were fairly random, or i was lead to by previous things) I would not have the view i have.

so yes, i do beleive ultimately our lives are already written. i also believe though that we are given a sense of choice so that we will "feel" life to its fullest. wasn't shakespear who said "life is but a stage, filled with sound and fury, signifying nothing." it signifies nothing because no matter what your failures or your successes, YOU were merely a vessel of cummulative variables interacting with the world around you.

deepok Chopra frames it a bit differently and argues that there are two YOU's. one that is living in the world, your mind, your body, your emotions, your thoughts, etc. and the spiritual YOU. the spiritual you is not touched by anything in this world. It merely observes it all from the metaphysical realm. in a sense, you exist to entertain yourself, well your metaphysical self. hehe.

anyway, you can go on for years with this philosophic debate. heck, probably forever, given that no one will ever be able to truly prove it.

but all in all, i do believe that our lives are basically written, and its just part of play that we act our role as though we were in control of ourselves.

now, the next big logical question then becomes - why write bad fates for some folks and not others ;)
 

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Well, if you were born horribly deformed and, if indeed this post is about getting p*ussy, then, yes, you were fated to get no p*ussy in this life.

All kidding aside, I think this is about a set of personality characteristics that have proven very difficult to change, that make it hard to go for women. The fact that you are here proves you are trying to change your "fate", yourself. I believe you can.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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I certainly hope you are reading the responses to this thread and that I’m not wasting my time replying to this.

Also, I want to make clear that I’m not an spiritual man.

We don’t have a “destiny” or a “fate” in the sense that we are not BORN with a destiny/fate stamp. What we have is something called: Choices.

We will face numerous “forks” in our life. And every time we face a fork, we must make a Choice. It is like a road. That’s life a long road. It is a long road with forks that we encounter every minute, hour, days, etc. And we must make choices. And those choices are what would determine our fate/destiny (see? We are not born with them…we choose them).

But…the choices are better if we have goals.

Of course, sometimes the environment/life/etc. throws us a curve ball (e.g. congenital diseases, death of a son/daughter, etc.) and that can potentially shorten/change our road. But the concept remains the same, regardless if our road is long or short. And that is, you will still encountering some “forks” and it is your choice which road to take.

It appears you are in a fork…and you choose “complacency” (a.k.a. defeat). And you are trying to justify that.

Note: What make you think that having a “pretty” wife is the way to go? You don’t know the issues that woman might have or the circumstances they both met.
 

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grinder said:
Well, if you were born horribly deformed and, if indeed this post is about getting p*ussy, then, yes, you were fated to get no p*ussy in this life.
They still can get puzzy. Some can even get marry.

But my experience is that many men that happen to be "shy" AND overweight AND short AND socially inept...are the same men that would ONLY be interested in a Jessica Alba look alike. They won't even give a second look at a woman that is "shy" AND overweight AND short AND socially inept.
 

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MightyMate said:
I believe that some things just have to happen whenever You work for them or not.

The only sure things in life is DEATH.
 

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Latinoman said:
The only sure things in life is DEATH.
They could find a cure tomorrow.

All fates exist in the multiverse. Which path you take to which destination is probably down to some quantum fluctuation that may or may not involve free-will.

Is there choice, or is it an illusion? I have concluded that I have more free-will than a ****roach, but less than some more evolved, almost godlike creature that could potentially exist. So it's a sliding scale.

The reality is that people who believe they control their own destiny generally get more out of life, but some are clearly comforted by the idea of fatalism. The age-old argument over freewill is still raging so maybe read some of the many well-written scientific books on the subject. Richard Dawkins is always good.
 

Do not be too easy. If you are too easy to get, she will not want you. If you are too easy to keep, she will lose interest in you. If you are too easy to control, she will not respect you.

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bauer_23 said:
do you believe in fate?

no

why not?

Because I don't like the idea that I am not in control of my life.
I know exactly what you mean.
 

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Nope, don't believe in fate. But I do believe if Miguel T asked out 100 women in the next year, he'd click with at least one of them, and it would have nothing to do whether he's good or not with women.

It has to do with the numbers game. You can't play if you don't try.
 

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Nighthawk said:
They could find a cure tomorrow.

The age-old argument over freewill is still raging so maybe read some of the many well-written scientific books on the subject. Richard Dawkins is always good.
I don't waste my time reading stuff like that.

However, let's assume that we cannot "influence our fate". Then why waste my time reading about it?

I have chosen to live a life in which my "fate" is decided by the path that I choose to take...with the caveat that there are some things we cannot control (e.g. sickness, birth defects). But there are many others we can influence.
 

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Latinoman said:
We don’t have a “destiny” or a “fate” in the sense that we are not BORN with a destiny/fate stamp. What we have is something called: Choices.
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.
 

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I don't believe in Fate or Destiny,...or Chastity, Chanel, Sierra, Candi, Brandi, Bambi, Nikki, Crystal, Cheyenne or Houston. All those strippers are lying b!tches and take my money every Friday after work.

:D
 

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Metaphisics states that choice, fate, and destiny are only the small amount of acceptance that our concious and uncouncious can gather.

But the big picture is that we simotaniouly exist on everyplane ~ We make every choice possible, we live every outcome possible! And all of this at the same time.

WHY? cause time is fake. WE accept what we want to accept and deny the rest. That makes up for the 10% of brain usage when infact it is way more.

Think of it like a computer. What we know and remember is what the monitor shows. While what is really going on is in the Tower.

Metaphisics are weird.

Peace 'n Beatz.
 

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Latinoman said:
I don't waste my time reading stuff like that.

However, let's assume that we cannot "influence our fate". Then why waste my time reading about it?
The original poster expressed an interest in freewill. He is 'free' to dive deep into the centuries of literature on the matter, read a couple of pop-science books (like I did) or compose his conclusions on the basis of a few posts on a mens internet forum.

Or does he? Whatever decision he reaches will be a product of his nature or nurture, neither of which he has control over.

A good analogy for me is that I am the captain of my ship, but the elements have the real power. The best I can do is set a course and hope for a good wind to help me
reach my destination.

Anyway Latinoman, I'm not flaming you, I like your posts. 'Nighthawk & Latino-Man' sounds like a superhero duo.
 

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Don't accept defeat as your fate. Everybody's fate is to achieve and accomplish what they are willinl to work for. Believeing anything less is just giving up.


Fate and destiny will bring you the woman you were meant to be with. Sometimes it just take some extra effort.
 

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synergy1 said:
Choice is an illusion created between those with power and those without.

With power or without it...you still have a choice.

You can choose to make a right turn or you can choose to take a left turn. Or you can choose to do...NOTHING.
 

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Nighthawk said:
The original poster expressed an interest in freewill. He is 'free' to dive deep into the centuries of literature on the matter, read a couple of pop-science books (like I did) or compose his conclusions on the basis of a few posts on a mens internet forum.

Or does he? Whatever decision he reaches will be a product of his nature or nurture, neither of which he has control over.

A good analogy for me is that I am the captain of my ship, but the elements have the real power. The best I can do is set a course and hope for a good wind to help me
reach my destination.

Anyway Latinoman, I'm not flaming you, I like your posts. 'Nighthawk & Latino-Man' sounds like a superhero duo.
I don't view this as a flame...instead, I view this more as an intellectual debate.

I'm very open minded when it comes to anything.

And yes...the environment can have an impact on the path we are taking. With that agree 100%.
 
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