Do you agree with this video

[DonJuanjr]

That’s very similar to what that dating coach who I mentioned in my response to Corrector has also said in the past. He specializes in working with men who have no experience at an older age, and he’s said that a man in this situation needs to go out and get experience wherever you can get it from. He didn’t necessarily say to get with fat women, but he pretty much said that it doesn’t matter if just the thought of having sex with her doesn’t give you a hard on, because if you can stomach having sex with her then you need to go for it. He also said that a lot of the inexperienced guys he’s worked with believe that you have to commit to that woman just because you two had sex. So he made it clear that you don’t have to enter into a LTR or a committed relationship of any kind just because you went out on a date with a woman and had sex with her. So he sounds pretty spot on with what you’re telling me and this guy seems to know what he’s talking about. He said its very common for inexperienced men to want jump right into a LTR as soon as they get out there, and he has to tell them that’s not really the best idea most of the time and starting out by dating casually once you enter the dating world usually works out better for them.

Good. Now you can accept what I've been telling you for a while now. And apply it. You don't need to pay for any sessions. Just do it.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

OP: restatement of the obvious->less time on the internet more time forcing yourself to talk to women. Any where for any reason, you do t even need to be attracted to them. Sounds like you need field experience.

You can make excuses not to all day and night, but until you do it’s not going to get better. My hair looks bad today, I’m not wearing my good jeans, it’s a waning crescent moon, it’s mercury retrograde. Until you engage in actual action the rest is nothing but platitudes.

I’ve seen that video before, I wonder if any of the girls who said yes followed through and went on a date with him.

 

[needimprovement250]

Good. Now you can accept what I've been telling you for a while now. And apply it. You don't need to pay for any sessions. Just do it.

I probably will still work with that coach because he seems so knowledgeable when it comes to helping guys who are in this situation, and at least he’s transparent with pricing unlike other people in that business. He charges $100 for each 1 hour session and you don’t even have to use up the whole hour in one session, he said that the time you used is just deducted and the remaining time can be used on another session at any time in the future. He also gives you your first 1 hour session for free in order for you to see wether or not it’s actually helpful without it costing you any money. So I’ll at least do the free 1 hour and see how it goes.

 

[needimprovement250]

OP: restatement of the obvious->less time on the internet more time forcing yourself to talk to women. Any where for any reason, you do t even need to be attracted to them. Sounds like you need field experience.

You can make excuses not to all day and night, but until you do it’s not going to get better. My hair looks bad today, I’m not wearing my good jeans, it’s a waning crescent moon, it’s mercury retrograde. Until you engage in actual action the rest is nothing but platitudes.

Yeah I rarely get to even talk to women. I blame that on my lifestyle since its caused me to never be in situations where women are around. As far as excuses go, its mainly that I’ve been telling myself that its too late anyway because no women are gonna want a guy my age who has no experience and videos like the one I started this thread with have just been providing me with negative reinforcement, which made that belief even stronger. Another one is the fact that I still live at home with my parents and its made me think that its pointless because I don’t even have my own place for sex to happen and that women will look down on me for still living at home when I’m 30. I am trying to change that though, its not like I have no desire to leave because I really wish I had my own place and have wanted that for several years. I also think I’m living with a deep sense of regret that I wasted my teens and 20’s with the belief that since my friends got rejected, I was guaranteed to be rejected every time too. But I never had anyone to talk to about dating struggles and still don’t to this day.

 

[corrector]

That’s very similar to what that dating coach who I mentioned in my response to Corrector has also said in the past. He specializes in working with men who have no experience at an older age, and he’s said that a man in this situation needs to go out and get experience wherever you can get it from. He didn’t necessarily say to get with fat women, but he pretty much said that it doesn’t matter if just the thought of having sex with her doesn’t give you a hard on, because if you can stomach having sex with her then you need to go for it. He also said that a lot of the inexperienced guys he’s worked with believe that you have to commit to that woman just because you two had sex. So he made it clear that you don’t have to enter into a LTR or a committed relationship of any kind just because you went out on a date with a woman and had sex with her. So he sounds pretty spot on with what you’re telling me and this guy seems to know what he’s talking about. He said its very common for inexperienced men to want jump right into a LTR as soon as they get out there, and he has to tell them that’s not really the best idea most of the time and starting out by dating casually once you enter the dating world usually works out better for them.

Wheat Waffles posted a video today that explains the issue is not inexperience, but the realities of the dating market today. I've maintained in the past that your obsession with inexperience may, in 2023, be a manifestation of a systemic imbalance of the dating market and nothing at all to do with you:

This is how most average / below average guys are these days in the dating market. If you look at posts in this board, even normies are struggling and are not even happy campers when it comes to cold-approaching, but sort of have to do it because they know OLD doesn't work for sub-8s.

 

[corrector]

Yeah I rarely get to even talk to women. I blame that on my lifestyle since its caused me to never be in situations where women are around. A

You have to learn to stop blaming yourself and saying that it's your lifestyle. You know ugly fat woman have no problem meeting guys, they just go on Tinder and meet up with chads looking for an easy girl? However, as someone getting the wrong end of the stick, it's easy to blame things on this or that. If it was a fair and balanced market, then you would be meeting women online too.

If you look at some other posts I've read here from chad/chadlite posters, I can say they would be absolutely devastated if there was an EMP crash and the grid went down and they had no access to tinder. It looks like a feast or famine scenario and if OLD doesn't work because you have the looks, then it's not likely there will be much improvement even if you ahd a lifestyle where there was situations that women would be in since they of themselves are also hooked up to the internet and use these apps.

Not to discourage you, if the dating market is to blame for allot of nonsense, and average guys and normies are struggling, then you should manage your expectations. Otherwise you'll be hard on yourself and feel like a failure when you really are not.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

80% of women are sleeping with like 8% of men, I think that’s the figure.

If a guy is able to meet and seduce women online, he sure as hell can do it in person, all else being the same. Keep in mind he has to actually meet the woman in person and pass the sniff test.

Your argument therefore is flawed. In fact if suddenly mobile devices became inoperable those same men would have an even easier time in person and women wouldn’t have their validation buckets filled online, this would result in more women being open to men not pictures.

You have to learn to stop blaming yourself and saying that it's your lifestyle. You know ugly fat woman have no problem meeting guys, they just go on Tinder and meet up with chads looking for an easy girl? However, as someone getting the wrong end of the stick, it's easy to blame things on this or that. If it was a fair and balanced market, then you would be meeting women online too.

If you look at some other posts I've read here from chad/chadlite posters, I can say they would be absolutely devastated if there was an EMP crash and the grid went down and they had no access to tinder. It looks like a feast or famine scenario and if OLD doesn't work because you have the looks, then it's not likely there will be much improvement even if you ahd a lifestyle where there was situations that women would be in since they of themselves are also hooked up to the internet and use these apps.

Not to discourage you, if the dating market is to blame for allot of nonsense, and average guys and normies are struggling, then you should manage your expectations. Otherwise you'll be hard on yourself and feel like a failure when you really are not.

 

[corrector]

80% of women are sleeping with like 8% of men, I think that’s the figure.

If a guy is able to meet and seduce women online, he sure as hell can do it in person, all else being the same. Keep in mind he has to actually meet the woman in person and pass the sniff test.

Your argument therefore is flawed. In fact if suddenly mobile devices became inoperable those same men would have an even easier time in person and women wouldn’t have their validation buckets filled online, this would result in more women being open to men not pictures.

People have posted on here what I have referenced. As long as there is that evidence then it is a valid argument.

For starters, the SMV dynamics change. Someone who knows how to survive has more sway then someone with looks and game but then starts crying around like a boy. Chad/chadlites are too spoiled to run proper game cold approaching. You should read their posts to see how pathetic they sound. If the rug is pulled out from under them they dont have what it takes without relying on their looks.

A normie, on the other hand, who has game who is in the girls vicinity has a better chance to interact with the woman then some chad somewhere else that she no longer has access to. Heck even sub 5s would also have a chance. Also, with no access to porn or OF, Normie/Sub-5s will have an even stronger incentive to approach and with the numerical superiority of other guys vs chads, a chad/chadlite can't visibly do these things without having mobs of people eventually attacking them. 8% of guys vs 92 % of other guys who are upset with them and don't even have access to porn, you don't want to know how that plays out. Therefore the extremely skewed dating market is not sustainable and will quickly fall apart if an EMP blast fried everything.