Do we as Men expect too much?

[Duffdog]

That's the problem...people can't see past tradition.

I personally couldn't give a flying f*ck at how "things have worked since the dawn of time". I'm not impressed by people who insist on doing things a certain way for no reason other than, "that's the way they've always been done".

Sure, it works. But I wouldn't say that it's necessarily "enlightened". I am surprised how possessive most men are on here about women. They're ready to go out and bang as many girls as possible, but when they find one they like, they suddenly become very jealous and possessive, ready to crucify the girl for being a "slvt", "wh0re", or "low-quality woman" if she doesn't bow down and kiss his arse, or if she doesn't want to slip on the ring and take herself off the market right away.

It's a vicious double-standard driven by ego insecurity. It's not enough to be loved by women...women have to love them MORE than anyone else. It's exactly what I said...a "desire to be special". An EXPECTATION of being special in a girl's eyes, just by virtue of some cheap verbal "commitment to be exclusive".

I know it, I've felt it. I'd love to think every girl I've ever dated or hooked up with thinks of me as "the best", that when she's out with the next guy, she's wishing she was still with me. I know, though, that this is silly.

Truly "special" relationships aren't a result of you loving or caring for someone more than another person just by virtue of "who they are". This is what people SEEK when they're "looking for a relationship", but it's not what relationships are built on, which is WHY relationships in today's society CRUMBLE so easily.

Truly "special" relationships aren't the result of finding a perfect woman (or a perfect MAN if you're a girl). They're the result of shared experiences over time. If people would just look for someone they enjoy spending time around, the "relationship" would develop over time.

Instead, everyone acts like this whole dating game is some kind of scientific equation..."you have this and this and this, and don't have that and that, then you're 'quality'...otherwise you're 'not quality'".

And that's why this whole game is stupid. And why expecting so much of anyone, man or woman, from the get-go is stupid. Not only stupid, but arrogant, to believe you are one-half of a miracle, and demanding, to expect someone else to be the other half of that miracle, and then possessive to expect to OWN the result, for two people in a "relationship" to expect to OWN each other, to the point where THEY can decide what the other does and does not do in life.

I know that's how people have "always done it". And that's why I continue to say, "people are stupid".

Now it's not a problem that people don't understand it. It's worked forever with people NOT understanding it, as you've pointed out. The problem is people who DON'T understand it but CLAIM that they DO. THOSE are the people screwing it up. It's like an 8 year old who just learned how to turn a wrench and suddenly tries to rebuild a carburetor.

So basically, you are saying that being an average, mediocre guy is totally ok with you. You are ok with women forgetting about you because you are so average? And while you are at it, superior males can fvck your girlfriend because you can't really do anything about it...being an average male.

Good job!

Nobody wants that. People want to be "special" as you put it, or as I like to say "exceptional" because that is the true goal of humanity. Males who have everything do not have to worry about their woman cheating because the woman will NEVER find a male better than him. So, it doesn't matter what the female wants because anything she does will be in the downward direction. In this case, that same male could lay claim to dozens of women and they all would pine for him day and night, knowing that they are unlikely to ever eclipse a male of that value. It is and has always been the dream of males to be of such high value that you become untouchable and get to do anything you want while repressing the desires of those you "own" because they simply aren't as valued as you.

No male wants to be average and "share" his girl.

 

[zekko]

^^^^
What Duffdog said.

 

[squirrels]

FAIL. I think you are the one who believes its special. If I'm a farmer and you come stealing my crops, how do you not get shot in the ass? Are my crops special?

Is a woman a "crop"?

Did you "grow her"? Do you "own her"? Are you going to sell her for your own profit?

This is exactly the type of attitude I'm talking about. This is exactly why women act the way they do...because they want men who are secure and can appreciate them as fellow PEOPLE, instead of men who are insecure and need to have "ownership" over them.

So basically, you are saying that being an average, mediocre guy is totally ok with you. You are ok with women forgetting about you because you are so average? And while you are at it, superior males can fvck your girlfriend because you can't really do anything about it...being an average male.

LOL...there will always be someone "superior" to you. You want to think you're the coolest guy out there, but there will always be someone cooler. You think you're the best lover out there? There will always be someone who can make her cvm harder than you. You think you're the best-looking? There will always be someone more attractive. YOu think you're the richest, most successful? Come on, man.

You seem to equate that fact, though, with some kind of inferiority complex. You base it on this absolute scale of "superior male" vs. "inferior male". You seem to think once you hit "superior male status" that all of a sudden all women will be yours. Good luck with that.

In the meantime, "inferior males" will be banging your girl behind YOUR back, because while you're out there trying to chase validation, guys are out there who are secure with themselves enough to know they can show your girl a good time. Guys who may not be as good-looking or rich or have as much "game", but who are damned good at being THEMSELVES and working for what they WANT instead of chasing some imagined status and trying to get people to like them.

I envy the man who is chasing his dreams. I pity the man who is busy trying to convince others that he has already caught them.

My 0.02. I know everyone here has some delusional fantasy about "being Don Juan". I used to have those too, until I realized that I was the one being held back by my own ego and my delusions about "superiority", while it was the schmucks around me who "just didn't get it" who were somehow growing toward those goals and getting all the things that I myself wanted.

 

[Warrior74]

Is a woman a "crop"?

Did you "grow her"? Do you "own her"? Are you going to sell her for your own profit?

This is exactly the type of attitude I'm talking about. This is exactly why women act the way they do...because they want men who are secure and can appreciate them as fellow PEOPLE, instead of men who are insecure and need to have "ownership" over them.

So this attitude does not include your "special" bullcrap. Which one is it? Ownership or special feelings? I'm just breaking you down for fun.

Appreciate them as fellow people, when they still play you and him fight? or that they still want a man to protect them? Which one is it? They want a man who is aloof, or man who acts like he cares? How does he act like he care when someone is trying to swoop his woman? Indefferent coolness? How alpha is that? LOL. Yah..okay pal.

 

[Da Realist]

To answer the original question, both men and women expect too much out of each other because they're selfish with love. Men and women think that the other person is going to fulfill them when both have to realize you only get the person for as long as they either decide stay around or their life ends. That's it. Your love is not going to be an eternal brand on that person and that relationship is not going to make all the bad stuff in life seem better or go away.

When men realize again that they have to have a purpose that goes above a relationship with their woman and that they will always have to go through crap, these expectations fall a bit. So the best thing any guy can do is decide what he's going to be about, find a woman down for the cause, realize she's there to help, she has limitations also, and do not let the woman pull him from what he determined himself to do in life.

 

[zekko]

You have some good ideas, squirrels. But:

This is exactly the type of attitude I'm talking about. This is exactly why women act the way they do...because they want men who are secure and can appreciate them as fellow PEOPLE, instead of men who are insecure and need to have "ownership" over them.

Yet it is usually WOMEN who want the exclusive relationship, no? So why try to paint the men as insecure? Anyway, demanding that your girl not be banging other c0cks is hardly the same thing as "ownership".

LOL...there will always be someone "superior" to you. You want to think you're the coolest guy out there, but there will always be someone cooler.

Of course. But you can try to be as high value a guy as you can. You can try to be the best version of you that you can be. There are 8s, 7s, 8s, 9s, etc. Nothing wrong with trying to get as high on that scale as you can get.

You base it on this absolute scale of "superior male" vs. "inferior male".

This is like the whole DJ versus AFC concept, which I'm not particularly fond of either. Because to a large extent, I do think it's just a bunch of crap. Guys are all individuals, with their own strengths and weaknesses. I don't see them falling into one bin or the other.

In the meantime, "inferior males" will be banging your girl behind YOUR back

You'll have to speak for yourself here. Nobody is banging my girlfriend behnd my back, or at all. And if it ever were to happen, she'd be gone.

I know everyone here has some delusional fantasy about "being Don Juan". I used to have those too, until I realized that I was the one being held back by my own ego and my delusions about "superiority", while it was the schmucks around me who "just didn't get it" who were somehow growing toward those goals and getting all the things that I myself wanted.

An interesting idea, and maybe a good one. Tyler Durden though, says that one trait that all naturals share is a delusional belief in their own coolness. So should one go around thinking that they are the sh!t or not? Should you have swagger or not?

 

[jafyk]

That's the problem...people can't see past tradition.

I personally couldn't give a flying f*ck at how "things have worked since the dawn of time". I'm not impressed by people who insist on doing things a certain way for no reason other than, "that's the way they've always been done".

Sure, it works. But I wouldn't say that it's necessarily "enlightened". I am surprised how possessive most men are on here about women. They're ready to go out and bang as many girls as possible, but when they find one they like, they suddenly become very jealous and possessive, ready to crucify the girl for being a "slvt", "wh0re", or "low-quality woman" if she doesn't bow down and kiss his arse, or if she doesn't want to slip on the ring and take herself off the market right away.

It's a vicious double-standard driven by ego insecurity. It's not enough to be loved by women...women have to love them MORE than anyone else. It's exactly what I said...a "desire to be special". An EXPECTATION of being special in a girl's eyes, just by virtue of some cheap verbal "commitment to be exclusive".

I know it, I've felt it. I'd love to think every girl I've ever dated or hooked up with thinks of me as "the best", that when she's out with the next guy, she's wishing she was still with me. I know, though, that this is silly.

Truly "special" relationships aren't a result of you loving or caring for someone more than another person just by virtue of "who they are". This is what people SEEK when they're "looking for a relationship", but it's not what relationships are built on, which is WHY relationships in today's society CRUMBLE so easily.

Truly "special" relationships aren't the result of finding a perfect woman (or a perfect MAN if you're a girl). They're the result of shared experiences over time. If people would just look for someone they enjoy spending time around, the "relationship" would develop over time.

Instead, everyone acts like this whole dating game is some kind of scientific equation..."you have this and this and this, and don't have that and that, then you're 'quality'...otherwise you're 'not quality'".

And that's why this whole game is stupid. And why expecting so much of anyone, man or woman, from the get-go is stupid. Not only stupid, but arrogant, to believe you are one-half of a miracle, and demanding, to expect someone else to be the other half of that miracle, and then possessive to expect to OWN the result, for two people in a "relationship" to expect to OWN each other, to the point where THEY can decide what the other does and does not do in life.

I know that's how people have "always done it". And that's why I continue to say, "people are stupid".

Now it's not a problem that people don't understand it. It's worked forever with people NOT understanding it, as you've pointed out. The problem is people who DON'T understand it but CLAIM that they DO. THOSE are the people screwing it up. It's like an 8 year old who just learned how to turn a wrench and suddenly tries to rebuild a carburetor.

I like this. Kind of makes you wonder why many relationships don't last if all it is is a game of how you can manipulate the other person into liking you and being what they think they should be for you. I see girls suddenly start going to a guy's sports games even though she has no interest whatsoever in that activity. Isn't the point to have someone that enjoys that same thing come out and enjoy it instead of laying on the side of the field reading a magazine during the game. Fast forward to when the relationship ends...the 2 girl never goes to watch another game until a similar type of guy arrives on the scene. If people did really care about others in general in a genuine way; would the relationship end? or end as badly as it does most times. In the end people can only keep up their act for so long since they had no deeper genuine roots of caring for the person to begin with. It was all just a game right?

 

[squirrels]

You have some good ideas, squirrels. But:

Yet it is usually WOMEN who want the exclusive relationship, no? So why try to paint the men as insecure? Anyway, demanding that your girl not be banging other c0cks is hardly the same thing as "ownership".

There's a scene in the X-men movie where Wolverine says to Cyclops, "You gonna tell me to stay away from your girl?" Cyclops replies, "If I had to tell you that, she wouldn't be my girl."

If your girl wants to bang other c0cks, whether you "demand" against it or not makes no difference.

My point, though, is that "exclusive" should be a natural, willing decision. Not the result of social pressure AGAINST a woman's natural wishes.

An interesting idea, and maybe a good one. Tyler Durden though, says that one trait that all naturals share is a delusional belief in their own coolness. So should one go around thinking that they are the sh!t or not? Should you have swagger or not?

Tyler Durden says, "You are not beautiful or a unique snowflake. We are the all-singing all-dancing crap of the world."

But don't mistake not being "special" with not being "cool". Your very existence on this earth is a pretty awesome event.

If you pursue that which you believe and want, you will grow.

 

[Warrior74]

There's a scene in the X-men movie where Wolverine says to Cyclops, "You gonna tell me to stay away from your girl?" Cyclops replies, "If I had to tell you that, she wouldn't be my girl."

If your girl wants to bang other c0cks, whether you "demand" against it or not makes no difference.

My point, though, is that "exclusive" should be a natural, willing decision. Not the result of social pressure AGAINST a woman's natural wishes.

Yah we saw how that turned out for the runt didn't we? Alpha dog still got to eat at his table.

Now reverse the situation and what would Wolverine do if someone was hitting on his girl? Evisceration. Panties get wet. Reproduce. Fact. You have been here long enough to understand the true nature of women.

I agree exclusive should be natural and willing, but protection of that exclusiveness should be swift and painful, says nature and 'gina tingles.

With each statement you come back a little closer to the truth.

 

[zekko]

If your girl wants to bang other c0cks, whether you "demand" against it or not makes no difference.

Oh I agree completely. I didn't mean demand as in "make her do this", I meant it as in being a minimum requirement for being in a LTR with me.

Tyler Durden says, "You are not beautiful or a unique snowflake. We are the all-singing all-dancing crap of the world."

I was talking about Tyler Durden the pickup gure, not Tyler Durden from Fight Club. But whatever.

We all want to be special. If you've ever read How to Win Friends and Influence People, that's one of the first few tips. People want to feel important.
Nearly all of us have special people in our lives. I don't think having a girl consider you to be significant in her life is an unattainable thing. Happens all the time.

 

[vatoloco]

I expect a complimentary partner.

That's all.

Egalitarian equality is a feminist pipe dream.

Well, true. But first I gotta find me a HB9 or 10 who is NOT crazy and does not want to be "more equal" than me!

I'll worry about complimenting each other later!

Maybe I should start giving HB7s and 8s a spin again...

 

[Mr.Positive]

Why restrict yourself with expectations on anything?

Take a bottle of water, for example. You open it, and take a swig without a second thought...you expect it to be water. Now, place that same bottle in the sun for 12 hours on a hot day, what do you get? That plastic taste that surprises and disappoints you.

What about your car? You expect it to start every morning before going to work. Think about how many parts there is in a car to make it run properly, why would you expect them to start every single time?

Same as people, nobody is perfect. The term 'human error' has to factor in somewhere.

I say don't expect anything from anyone. If you don't expect anything you will never be disappointed. In theory at least.

The more life experience I get, the more I would rather have pleasant surprises rather than disappointments from expectations.

Should I expect a gal that I'm with to stay 'loyal' to me? Good question, in short no, I do not. Because she's a woman. I'll focus on being the best man I can be, but I know if a Brad Pitt came along she could bail on me in a flash. If she didn't however, that would be a pleasant surprise.

Don't expect anything from things you have no control over. Don't 'expect' your computer to boot in the morning. When you expect things to happen, you get complacent in life. Say your gal cooks you dinner every night, do you start expecting her to keep doing it? What if she doesn't one night.

Be your own man. Don't let the things in life you have no control over, control you. Let all those BS expectations in life go and focus on making your life better.

 

[Fuglydude]

Haha, you guys totally overcomplicate things with all the analogies about x-men and crops... wtf?!

To get back to the pertinent matter about "expecting too much"... I think my partner should meet, or at least strive to meet the expectations I have for myself. These include:

- Being in great physical shape (I'm talking top 5-10% of the population/being a competitive athlete in a cool sport/endeavor)
- Having at least above average education/intelligence (at least a university degree).
- Having a career/business focus that one is happy with and allows for individual growth.
- Having crucial values/qualities: like integrity, resiliency, adaptability, tenacity/determination, industriousness (is that even a word??), blah blah you get the picture.
- Having the courage to chase your dreams.

With respect to the whole American dream horseshiite about settling down and getting married... I have/had no such dream. I have one goal in life: To be as happy as I can. In my case being in a fulfilling LTR makes me happy as it frees up some of my time so I can put more emphasis on my career. It also forces me to be accountable to my partner so I have to kick some of my bad habits like drug use, etc.

As I have stated in many of my posts this board is VERY good at overcomplicating the simple act of picking up and sleeping with chics. If you're a fundamentally sound guy w/ good looks/great build, great career, high social status/power, and a personality to match, then you can get away with minimal game as girls will flock to you. I know you can't control your looks, but getting into elite shape and being lean will go a long way in improving your appearance and sexual/social value. The other aforementioned factors are obviously within your control.

I was originally drawn to this board as it is all about self improvement. This is one of my core tenets of my life. Improving yourself is intrinsically rewarding and will lead to increased happiness. Attracting woman is a great side effect, but should not be the primary reason why a dude wants to improve himself.

With respect to the discussion on female infidelity or other guys picking up/attempting to pick up your chic, again you guys are overcomplicating things. In a sound complementary relationship, your girl should be smart enough to know that statistically her chances of being happier with another dude are relatively small, providing of course that you're a high value guy.

My fiance is a model/figure competitor. She routinely gets hit on by bodybuilders, male entertainers, etc.... we're not talking about your everyday pu$$y guys that walk around on the street, but dudes with intrinsically high sexual value. She tells me about all the guys that attempt to pick her up, and we have a good laugh about it. I am confident enough in our relationship to know that very few guys would stack up to me overall (when you factor in looks/physique, intelligence/education, career/career potential, personality, etc) . Furthermore, we have a great relationship, and her chances of being happier with someone else are slim to none. Even if she did leave me, I know I would have no problems getting laid, and if anything it would give me a lot more freedom to travel, etc.

just my 0.02.

 

[guru1000]

^^^^
Gentlemen, pay attention to the above.

If Men spent their time improving their overall value rather than learning game, they would be far more successful in attracting a complementary harem.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Haha, you guys totally overcomplicate things with all the analogies about x-men and crops... wtf?!

To get back to the pertinent matter about "expecting too much"... I think my partner should meet, or at least strive to meet the expectations I have for myself. These include:

- Being in great physical shape (I'm talking top 5-10% of the population/being a competitive athlete in a cool sport/endeavor)
- Having at least above average education/intelligence (at least a university degree).
- Having a career/business focus that one is happy with and allows for individual growth.
- Having crucial values/qualities: like integrity, resiliency, adaptability, tenacity/determination, industriousness (is that even a word??), blah blah you get the picture.
- Having the courage to chase your dreams.

With respect to the whole American dream horseshiite about settling down and getting married... I have/had no such dream. I have one goal in life: To be as happy as I can. In my case being in a fulfilling LTR makes me happy as it frees up some of my time so I can put more emphasis on my career. It also forces me to be accountable to my partner so I have to kick some of my bad habits like drug use, etc.

As I have stated in many of my posts this board is VERY good at overcomplicating the simple act of picking up and sleeping with chics. If you're a fundamentally sound guy w/ good looks/great build, great career, high social status/power, and a personality to match, then you can get away with minimal game as girls will flock to you. I know you can't control your looks, but getting into elite shape and being lean will go a long way in improving your appearance and sexual/social value. The other aforementioned factors are obviously within your control.

I was originally drawn to this board as it is all about self improvement. This is one of my core tenets of my life. Improving yourself is intrinsically rewarding and will lead to increased happiness. Attracting woman is a great side effect, but should not be the primary reason why a dude wants to improve himself.

With respect to the discussion on female infidelity or other guys picking up/attempting to pick up your chic, again you guys are overcomplicating things. In a sound complementary relationship, your girl should be smart enough to know that statistically her chances of being happier with another dude are relatively small, providing of course that you're a high value guy.

My fiance is a model/figure competitor. She routinely gets hit on by bodybuilders, male entertainers, etc.... we're not talking about your everyday pu$$y guys that walk around on the street, but dudes with intrinsically high sexual value. She tells me about all the guys that attempt to pick her up, and we have a good laugh about it. I am confident enough in our relationship to know that very few guys would stack up to me overall (when you factor in looks/physique, intelligence/education, career/career potential, personality, etc) . Furthermore, we have a great relationship, and her chances of being happier with someone else are slim to none. Even if she did leave me, I know I would have no problems getting laid, and if anything it would give me a lot more freedom to travel, etc.

just my 0.02.

That's what she tell you. YOU.

Players know that the words women speak should be taken with a grain of salt.

If she met a guy that was better than you, would she tell you? No, she would trade up on your a$$ and tell you after she's already f*cked him.

 

[Fuglydude]

She's met plenty of guys that are better/have higher sexual value than me... I did a 3.5 year stint as a male entertainer. I've done HUNDREDS of shows all over Canada and have tons of funny stories. She's met lotsa my buddies in the biz... There's plenty of hypersexual dudes in the industry that are 6'+ - 200+ w/ an 8 pack and a big cack. These guys have literally slept with hundreds of women with VERY minimal effort. I know she wants to **** them... She wouldn't be normal if she didn't. We've talked about threesomes, etc, but she's too jealous to reciprocate w/ an FFM.

This chic has driven me to HUNDREDS of shows so I can take off my clothes for other women, have have them feel me up, etc. She took a chance to have an LTR with me even when I was a stripping fulltime, hooking up w/ multiple women (we went monogamous after we went exclusive), and using various drugs quite heavily, all while going to school full time... Ya I've made lotsa bad choices. Meanwhile, she was your classic small town good girl who's only ever been in LTR's, never done any drugs, didn't even get her ears pierced until a few months ago. Based on how we met, and our relationship history I think we have a level of trust and comfort that few couples will ever achieve. I know VERY few women who would be ok with having their guy (in a monogamous relationship) be a stripper and routinely have other women's hands all over them.

You're right in that she could potentially leave me if she was able to upgrade... however, statistically the chances of that happening are small as she's VERY relationship oriented. She's not an HB9 or 10, but I would give her a solid 7.5-8. I'd also rate myself in the 7.5-8 range. Here's a few pics of her/me and us....

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m91/Treydesmon/

I think a guy "better" than me would probably wanna just phuck her but not want her for a relationship as he'd probably be gunning for the HB9's and 10s. Either way, I know I'll be happy in the end regardless of whether she stays with me or not... I'd obviously be upset in the short term, but I know I'd get over it.

Regarding your comment about guys "ruling with an iron fist"... I don't really see a need to impose "rules/laws" on your woman. If you're a high value guy she'll be drawn to you intrinsically. "Ruling with an iron fist", based on how I construe the statement, just makes you an insecure dude who's scared to lose the girl. As a high value guy even if she does leave me I know I'll have little issue getting other women...

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

She's met plenty of guys that are better/have higher sexual value than me... I did a 3.5 year stint as a male entertainer. I've done HUNDREDS of shows all over Canada and have tons of funny stories. She's met lotsa my buddies in the biz... There's plenty of hypersexual dudes in the industry that are 6'+ - 200+ w/ an 8 pack and a big cack. These guys have literally slept with hundreds of women with VERY minimal effort. I know she wants to **** them... She wouldn't be normal if she didn't. We've talked about threesomes, etc, but she's too jealous to reciprocate w/ an FFM.

This chic has driven me to HUNDREDS of shows so I can take off my clothes for other women, have have them feel me up, etc. She took a chance to have an LTR with me even when I was a stripping fulltime, hooking up w/ multiple women (we went monogamous after we went exclusive), and using various drugs quite heavily, all while going to school full time... Ya I've made lotsa bad choices. Meanwhile, she was your classic small town good girl who's only ever been in LTR's, never done any drugs, didn't even get her ears pierced until a few months ago. Based on how we met, and our relationship history I think we have a level of trust and comfort that few couples will ever achieve. I know VERY few women who would be ok with having their guy (in a monogamous relationship) be a stripper and routinely have other women's hands all over them.

You're right in that she could potentially leave me if she was able to upgrade... however, statistically the chances of that happening are small as she's VERY relationship oriented. She's not an HB9 or 10, but I would give her a solid 7.5-8. I'd also rate myself in the 7.5-8 range. Here's a few pics of her/me and us....

http://s102.photobucket.com/albums/m91/Treydesmon/

I think a guy "better" than me would probably wanna just phuck her but not want her for a relationship as he'd probably be gunning for the HB9's and 10s. Either way, I know I'll be happy in the end regardless of whether she stays with me or not... I'd obviously be upset in the short term, but I know I'd get over it.

Regarding your comment about guys "ruling with an iron fist"... I don't really see a need to impose "rules/laws" on your woman. If you're a high value guy she'll be drawn to you intrinsically. "Ruling with an iron fist", based on how I construe the statement, just makes you an insecure dude who's scared to lose the girl. As a high value guy even if she does leave me I know I'll have little issue getting other women...

If she f*cked those guys, which I'm pretty sure she did, YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW...


Insecurity?

I think it is due to a cultural difference. I was raised with the concept that women served men due to my Korean roots.

You were raised to be subservient to women.


Also keep in mind, I'm a player. I've had many, many women come and go. I couldn't care less whether or not a women stays on my team or leaves. No short term pain friend.

The important thing for me is for them to know their place, that a woman serves her man. I don't take sh*t from anyone, including women. Disrespectful women get kicked to the curb.

 

[Fuglydude]

You can believe what you wanna believe, and I'll believe what I want to. The industry is a lot different that most people think. Some of the guys I've worked with are among my closest friends even now that we're all done in the biz.

I gotcha about the cultural roots... Ya, I'm East Indian, and I think traditionally my culture has that going on too. My parents are highly educated (6 university degrees between them), and consequently quite liberal. Although they did have their share of fights when I was growing up, I think they do have a fairly mutualistic and complementary relationship at this point in their lives.

Definitely agree with you on the disrespect thing. I do think however, that monogamous relationships should be mutualistic and complementary. I'm not sure why you're so bitter against women and seem to portray them as parasites. Have you had bad experiences in the past? Although I'm sure that breed of women are out there, I've been fortunate enough to have steered clear of them. In fact, women have basically financed my second degree haha...

In my relationship we're pretty mutualistic... We work well as a team. For example, financially, we cover costs based on our ability to pay. Domestically, we have different diets as we are both competitive physique athletes. We'll both cook our own meals and share what we can. Same goes for cleaning, etc... its based on our schedules, based on whoever has more time.

Regarding me being taught to be "subservient"... do you really think it matters what I was taught? I could be subservient, AFC, whatever... When you look like me, have my physique and any semblance of a personality girls basically throw themselves at you. The kind of girls that you "play" are the kind of girls that pay to see us take out clothes off, and pay for a chance to grind up on us. I've danced for everything from blue whales to maxim models... and I'm sure your kills are somewhere in that range.

I'm genuinely interested in why you think women are parasites, and have such a cynical attitude towards them and relationships and stuff. Please enlighten me. Sorry to the OP for highjacking this thread.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

You can believe what you wanna believe, and I'll believe what I want to. The industry is a lot different that most people think. Some of the guys I've worked with are among my closest friends even now that we're all done in the biz.

I gotcha about the cultural roots... Ya, I'm East Indian, and I think traditionally my culture has that going on too. My parents are highly educated (6 university degrees between them), and consequently quite liberal. Although they did have their share of fights when I was growing up, I think they do have a fairly mutualistic and complementary relationship at this point in their lives.

Definitely agree with you on the disrespect thing. I do think however, that monogamous relationships should be mutualistic and complementary. I'm not sure why you're so bitter against women and seem to portray them as parasites. Have you had bad experiences in the past? Although I'm sure that breed of women are out there, I've been fortunate enough to have steered clear of them. In fact, women have basically financed my second degree haha...

In my relationship we're pretty mutualistic... We work well as a team. For example, financially, we cover costs based on our ability to pay. Domestically, we have different diets as we are both competitive physique athletes. We'll both cook our own meals and share what we can. Same goes for cleaning, etc... its based on our schedules, based on whoever has more time.

Regarding me being taught to be "subservient"... do you really think it matters what I was taught? I could be subservient, AFC, whatever... When you look like me, have my physique and any semblance of a personality girls basically throw themselves at you. The kind of girls that you "play" are the kind of girls that pay to see us take out clothes off, and pay for a chance to grind up on us. I've danced for everything from blue whales to maxim models... and I'm sure your kills are somewhere in that range.

I'm genuinely interested in why you think women are parasites, and have such a cynical attitude towards them and relationships and stuff. Please enlighten me. Sorry to the OP for highjacking this thread.

Props to you bro for pulling such a nice looking girl. Us Asians and East Indian have it very hard in the game.

Yes, I do have a cynical attitude towards women. It comes from experience. After going out with 123 women, I have a pretty good idea of what they are like and I don't like what I've discovered.

http://theasianlover.com/my-women/

If you want to have a 1 on 1 relationship, that's your decision. For me that just doesn't make sense, like having all my money in 1 stock. If the stock goes up, great you're making a lot of money, if the stock goes to 0, well... you're bankrupt.

 

[Boilermaker]

why so serious man?

women are human beings, too.

haven't you had a warm glass of wine with a woman in your whole life?