Do U think women reject men who've been w/ prostitutes because it's an indication of being a loser?

[zinc4]

It's simply a matter of convenience guys. And when you throw in alcohol and drugs getting a hooker every once in a while is an exciting experience. I get a rush from it.

If im in that mood, I like to go to free lance bars that are notorious for those type of girls. I drink enjoy the music and when one i think is a dime piece and seems eager for it by approaching me i take her. Its a different feeling and vibe as to picking up a normal girl. Its just very convenient and relaxing. And afterwards she just leaves the next morning. I am in Columbia right now so they sort if thing everywhere. I only go for dime pieces though.

I date a lot of normal women here too. One just spent the last 2 days with me cleaned my apartment for me and i literally had to kick her out this morning just because i needed my own space and wanted a quite day at the beach.

Tonight i have a choice. To bang a legit 8 who i already banged 4 nights ago that i met of bumble or go out to a free lance bar. So you can see for me i dont do pros because of lack of options. Sometimes it's just more exciting for me for whatever reason. The normal non pro tonight is legit beautiful looks like a young selma hayak, but the thought of being with her tonight bores me for some reason. I just want to go get drunk and get a new dime piece in a relaxing manner lol. There is something very raw and primal about it too. It's like you are there just relaxing then casually choosing your piece of meat straight to business.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

First off, how would this woman know you've been with a prosty, obv you don't tell her, problem solved

 

[zinc4]

First off, how would this woman know you've been with a prosty, obv you don't tell her, problem solved

Facts. It's not like she is going to tell you about the 5 to 6 frat guys who ran a train on her the weekend before.

 

[MatureDJ]

Or being arrested...there was just a big sting operation here a few weeks ago that netted 65 dudes...

Link?

 

[MatureDJ]

First off, how would this woman know you've been with a prosty, obv you don't tell her, problem solved

Senator David "Diapers" Vitter didn't tell the wife, but she found out.

Democrats Reminisce About David Vitter's Prostitution Scandal

Republican Sen. David Vitter won't stop bashing Obamacare on the Senate floor this week, and that's annoyed top Democrats Barbara Boxer and Harry Reid — so they reportedly floated legislation that's intended to remind everyone of Vitter's history with prostitutes.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[Zimbabwe]

Watch the video...

Description doesn't match the content. Hannah does NOT answer what girls think of guys who have been with prostitutes as the description claims. She was emphatic just even in the first few minutes of the vid that she was speaking of what she personally felt about it. She also shown a huge double standard in that she respected the women working in the sex industry while not respecting the clients of those same women.

That's youtube for you, all clickbait titles and thumbnails with zero substance in the actual video

 

[corrector]

It's simply a matter of convenience guys. And when you throw in alcohol and drugs getting a hooker every once in a while is an exciting experience. I get a rush from it.

If im in that mood, I like to go to free lance bars that are notorious for those type of girls. I drink enjoy the music and when one i think is a dime piece and seems eager for it by approaching me i take her. Its a different feeling and vibe as to picking up a normal girl. Its just very convenient and relaxing. And afterwards she just leaves the next morning. I am in Columbia right now so they sort if thing everywhere. I only go for dime pieces though.

I date a lot of normal women here too. One just spent the last 2 days with me cleaned my apartment for me and i literally had to kick her out this morning just because i needed my own space and wanted a quite day at the beach.

Tonight i have a choice. To bang a legit 8 who i already banged 4 nights ago that i met of bumble or go out to a free lance bar. So you can see for me i dont do pros because of lack of options. Sometimes it's just more exciting for me for whatever reason. The normal non pro tonight is legit beautiful looks like a young selma hayak, but the thought of being with her tonight bores me for some reason. I just want to go get drunk and get a new dime piece in a relaxing manner lol. There is something very raw and primal about it too. It's like you are there just relaxing then casually choosing your piece of meat straight to business.

I don't know if going on sex tours in other sh1thole countries where you are shooting fish in the barrel with civvies and have cheap hors counts as something to brag about. After all, suppose you get marked by druglords if the wrong girl complains and makes trouble for you? There is a bit of a risk right? These places are dangerous because of the drug industry and crime so you can't ever be too careful. You are not concerned about that at all?

 

[The Duke]

"Hot guys don't pay for sex"

- Stripper

Or guys with "value" don't pay for sex. They have no clue. I don't worry about what they think on this topic. They have no clue about male reality. Men get female reality better than females get male reality.

 

[metalwater]

I don't know if going on sex tours in other sh1thole countries where you are shooting fish in the barrel with civvies and have cheap hors counts as something to brag about. After all, suppose you get marked by druglords if the wrong girl complains and makes trouble for you? There is a bit of a risk right? These places are dangerous because of the drug industry and crime so you can't ever be too careful. You are not concerned about that at all?

anytime you are in an environment where your higher than average value the same risk / results.

 

[zinc4]

I think it’s going to lower their opinion of a hooker-banger regardless. Yes maybe for men who are already unattractive, the reaction is “eeewww” and for more attractive men, it’s more shock and disappointment. But thinking they don’t care, or don’t lose respect for a man who pays hookers is simply wishful thinking.

See there you go. You first mistake is thinking what women care about. They dont even know what they care about.

They operate based strictly on their feelings/emotions which change day to day. Also, it is none of their business if you have used escorts/pros unless you have an std ofcourse.

I promise you if you make her wet and give her the tingles, and she knows that you have been with escorts in your past it will not make a difference with her.

Seriously, stop giving a f#ck what women think. It literally doesnt matter. All that matters is can you give them tingles/feelings or not.

I see escorts and still get beautiful girlfriends all the time. I broke up with my gf in las vegas who was hot asf just to come down here to Columbia.

She told me i broke her heart just played with her feelings and im a bad man for doing that.

This same girl ruthlessly rejected a man who flew all the way from hawaii to be with her in vegas though after they had a brief fling together when she went on vacation to haiwaii.

She rejected him for me and told him he had to go back to Hawaii lol. She said she was very physically attracted to him but that he was just way too nice acting around her and clingy and she just couldn't take it so told him this will not work you have to go back.

This guy was a well known german cook there who appears on cooking tv shows even. Mean while....she fell in love with little ole me who has been with dozens of escorts if not more.

She fell for me after i called her out on her BS one day and told her im done go find someone else to tolerate your miserable behavior. A week went past and she came back begging and treated me like a king afterwards.

You see........it doesn't matter if i have been with escorts...because i made her FEEL something that all the other men pursuing her failed to do....this required inner game and a strong frame, though and willing to lose her which i was.

And btw i did actually tell her i have been with pros one night when i was drunk and her reaction was well you were travelling in Asia and men will be men i guess lol.

It is what it is. Don't listen to what women say and do not concern yourself with what they think.

 

[SargeMaximus]

Paying for sex is beta. Yes

 

[zinc4]

Paying for sex is beta. Yes

Not to rag on you, but i am convinced that the only men who say this are either not very sexually experienced or are just poor financially and view it as a big deal.

Some nights i would rather just go pick out a dime piece girl like ordering pizza as opposed to taking a new girl out on a date having to make all that small talk for hours buying drinks ect.

There is nothing beta or wrong about that. It's just a case of having options. And i go on a tonne of first dates btw...just had 2 this past week that both ended in lays.

 

[corrector]

Not to rag on you, but i am convinced that the only men who say this are either not very sexually experienced or are just poor financially and view it as a big deal.

Some nights i would rather just go pick out a dime piece girl like ordering pizza as opposed to taking a new girl out on a date having to make all that small talk for hours buying drinks ect.

There is nothing beta or wrong about that. It's just a case of having options. And i go on a tonne of first dates btw...just had 2 this past week that both ended in lays.

I think he's talking about the principle of it rather than if you have other options. You bowed to something for having access to an escort.

With the 'beta' argument, it's still an argument of principle. It's like saying, I'll be an alpha male to this girl here and I'll be a beta-provider to this woman here because I have options. I'll have my head-on and do tight game with this girl but I have lots of options, so I'll be a supplicating doormat to this girl since I can afford it. Does that make sense? Other posters such as @BackInTheGame78 have lots of options so they don't use escorts period.

How do you reconcile having two inherently incompatible mindsets like that?

 

[rjc149]

See there you go. You first mistake is thinking what women care about. They dont even know what they care about.

Seriously, stop giving a f#ck what women think. It literally doesnt matter. All that matters is can you give them tingles/feelings or not.

It is what it is. Don't listen to what women say and do not concern yourself with what they think.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that you're painting very broad strokes here, and missing my overall point.

This particular woman you dated didn't care about your history with prostitutes. Some won't care, you're right. Some will overlook it, provided she otherwise finds you very attractive.

But here's the thing -- what people think about you does matter. How you appear does matter. How are you regarded by others does matter. Whether you are respected by others does matter. These are the cornerstones of social status.

Do all the logical somersaults you want about hiring hookers being the exact same as spending money on dates, except easier and cheaper. They're not the same. Don't bury your head in the sand about the social stigma around prostitution. You can challenge that stigma all you want, but you'll never make it go away.

One of my abovementioned buddies has paid hookers. He is of the opinion that "it doesn't matter what women think of you, I had a buddy in college who lived out of his car and picked up hot girls all the time, you just need game and need to give them the feels."

He goes out to bars wearing shorts, tube socks, and dad sneakers. He's pudgy and he takes a B-vitamin before going out, and reeks like vitamins. He's gone out to bars wearing a backpack with his water bottle, because he doesn't want to lose it.

Unsurprisingly, he's never taken a girl home. I saw him, once in 10 or so years, make out with an actual medically obese girl at a bar. That's it.

He could very easily "care what women think" and dress well, get in shape, stop smelling funny, and get laid. He's otherwise not a bad looking guy. But women ignore him, because they think he's an unattractive weirdo.

If you want to attract women, what women think of you does matter. Otherwise, you can always bang a hooker.

 

[corrector]

One of my abovementioned buddies has paid hookers. He is of the opinion that "it doesn't matter what women think of you, I had a buddy in college who lived out of his car and picked up hot girls all the time, you just need game and need to give them the feels."

He goes out to bars wearing shorts, tube socks, and dad sneakers. He's pudgy and he takes a B-vitamin before going out, and reeks like vitamins. He's gone out to bars wearing a backpack with his water bottle, because he doesn't want to lose it.

Unsurprisingly, he's never taken a girl home. I saw him, once in 10 or so years, make out with an actual medically obese girl at a bar. That's it.

He could very easily "care what women think" and dress well, get in shape, stop smelling funny, and get laid. He's otherwise not a bad looking guy. But women ignore him, because they think he's an unattractive weirdo.

If you want to attract women, what women think of you does matter. Otherwise, you can always bang a hooker.

So what you've established here is just the opposite side of the coin. That women reject you BEFORE you have a chance to even bring up hookers so why the heck would you care what they think if you visited a hooker or not if they are not willing to give you a chance in the first place?

Is this the same friend that you said women said "eww" when he said he went with a hooker?

 

[RickTheToad]

That’s like saying Lance Armstrong was the only cyclist doping.

Didn’t we drag the Biebz out of a brothel?

… they all do it man..

All is a pretty large basket. Nothing is all my friend.

 

[EyeBRollin]

All is a pretty large basket. Nothing is all my friend.

We can change all to majority. The point still stands…

 

[zinc4]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that you're painting very broad strokes here, and missing my overall point.

This particular woman you dated didn't care about your history with prostitutes. Some won't care, you're right. Some will overlook it, provided she otherwise finds you very attractive.

But here's the thing -- what people think about you does matter. How you appear does matter. How are you regarded by others does matter. Whether you are respected by others does matter. These are the cornerstones of social status.

Do all the logical somersaults you want about hiring hookers being the exact same as spending money on dates, except easier and cheaper. They're not the same. Don't bury your head in the sand about the social stigma around prostitution. You can challenge that stigma all you want, but you'll never make it go away.

One of my abovementioned buddies has paid hookers. He is of the opinion that "it doesn't matter what women think of you, I had a buddy in college who lived out of his car and picked up hot girls all the time, you just need game and need to give them the feels."

He goes out to bars wearing shorts, tube socks, and dad sneakers. He's pudgy and he takes a B-vitamin before going out, and reeks like vitamins. He's gone out to bars wearing a backpack with his water bottle, because he doesn't want to lose it.

Unsurprisingly, he's never taken a girl home. I saw him, once in 10 or so years, make out with an actual medically obese girl at a bar. That's it.

He could very easily "care what women think" and dress well, get in shape, stop smelling funny, and get laid. He's otherwise not a bad looking guy. But women ignore him, because they think he's an unattractive weirdo.

If you want to attract women, what women think of you does matter. Otherwise, you can always bang a hooker.

You are already losing if you are coming from a woman's frame and how she thinks. It doesn't matter if a woman thinks she loves you she will overlook practically anything. Leaders and successful men throughout history have done it on a regular basis. Your thought point is catering towards feminism and the frame of a woman and what she thinks. I don't think your mindset is the correct frame at all. If a woman doesn't like something about me she is always free to leave.

It is really simple and you are overcomplicating it because you have been brainwashed by what women say and feminism indoctrinated media/thinking thinking. Like i said, all that matters is how you make them feel when together.

Your comparison about your buddy who is a slob is total apples and oranges. I take care of my appearance naturally regardless of if it is attractive to the opposite sex or not. I also make sure to exercise daily, eat lots of antioxidants, healthy fresh vegetables and keep my house/apartment clean while taking care of my finances ect. That is just called having your sh$t together.

What is funny though is that if a woman who liked me did act like she objected to it i doubt she would keep that same opinion after seeing my bank account balance. They are hypocritical it's hilarious. I can not believe you are sitting here on a men's seduction forum empowering women more by saying you wouldnt use a pro because of what women think. Lmfao.

Women have convinced you guys that hiring escorts is some kind of dirty evil act or means you are a loser who can't get it normally. It's hilarious. No wonder western men are becoming so beta. Women's thinking has prevailed. The jewish media is pushing that feminist agenda hard and women are picking it up and running with it while men are just sitting there letting them take the frame/power.

 

[zinc4]

I think he's talking about the principle of it rather than if you have other options. You bowed to something for having access to an escort.

With the 'beta' argument, it's still an argument of principle. It's like saying, I'll be an alpha male to this girl here and I'll be a beta-provider to this woman here because I have options. I'll have my head-on and do tight game with this girl but I have lots of options, so I'll be a supplicating doormat to this girl since I can afford it. Does that make sense? Other posters such as @BackInTheGame78 have lots of options so they don't use escorts period.

How do you reconcile having two inherently incompatible mindsets like that?

You are over thinking it big time. You pay for the convenience. It is about you and your frame not the woman.

If i don't feel like going out with some silly sloot on a particular evening and talking for hours while trying to just get in her pants or going to a busy bar or club and clawing some girl away from her "girl's night out" grogfup than that is my preference. I am up for it sometimes but not always.

When you go on dates how much time, mental energy are you putting into it? Lets say it takes the average guy 2 to 3 dates to get the lay.

Unless it is a girl i see fit for a future relationship i will never wait 2 dates for sex. I would rather hire a pro 10 out of 10 times unless it is a dime piece who has made it clear that sex will be on the table second date. Even then i have to think about it if i don't like her personality. Fortunately most of my 1st dates end in lays. They can be annoying asf though at times with boring small talk especially with the ones in their 20s.

Others can be great though. Dating and gaming is a mixed bag. Hiring a quick pro is not. And when you got a lot of money even 3 hours talking on a first date if it ends in a lay begins to feel like too much mental energy and time wasted. I am only dating girls right now who i view as future relationship candidates. Got a really nice religious beautiful girl im seeing right now as well as 2 active plates and one girl in a different city begging to see me everyday. Once my main target asks me to be exclusive ill drop the plates. But i still like my pros from time to time, ha. The convenience of it is just addicting and nice. And plates tend to get old fast.

Some guys here spend weeks trying to court a girl by texting marathons and slow paced dating. THAT is the only thing wrong principle wise and supplicating to me.

 

[rjc149]

Leaders and successful men throughout history have done it on a regular basis.

Leaders and successful men who are married to c-sectioned saggy-titted middle aged nags, who've come to realize the Tomassian lie that being successful and high-status in middle age does not result in unfettered access to 22-year old sorority queens -- unless they pay for it. So yeah, they pay for it. It's still degenerate behavior.

I can not believe you are sitting here on a men's seduction forum empowering women more by saying you wouldnt use a pro because of what women think. Lmfao.

No, I wouldn't use a pro because of what I think about them, and what I think about men who use them. I don't bang hookers because I don't want to see myself as a man who bangs hookers. That's more of a function of my American values and Catholic upbringing (both of which long predate feminism). Most women happen to share my viewpoint. Not the other way around.

Negative judgement from the rest of society, upon which your social status is often determined, from which women will rate your SMV, is just a kicker.

You can kick and scream "I make money! I'm high SMV! I spin hot plates!" all you want. There's a negative stigma around it in the US that you're not getting around. If you want people to not care, move to Amsterdam.