Do men even care anymore?

[Borknagar]

Noticing less traffic from newcomers and male dating advice content in general. It seems to have fell after Andrew Tate was taken down. In addition, I notice higher female ratios out in public now as opposed to sausage fests.

I think a lot have. I've mostly given up myself. Bars are completely pointless these days. They are dead and most are sitting down with their group and not mingling. I'm not really seeing many woman in my day to day to approach. Online dating is completely useless. There aren't any options out there really, especially for a guy my age. At 45 my dating life is pretty much over.

 

[Gamisch]

Whether you have a girlfriend/LTR or an escort you always pay.

With an escort the price is more explicit and upfront.

With a girlfriend/LTR you pay with your time, attention, activities, dates, doing all the non-sexual things you don’t want to really do for the sake of the relationship, paying rent/mortgage etc.

You may get companionship/ emotional closeness etc. with a girlfriend/LTR that you don’t get with an escort but it still comes at a price.

Nothing wrong with escorts (I’ve never used one but wouldn’t rule it out in the future as a much older guy when my looks really deteriorate, I’m 57 now) as long as you understand it’s purely transactional and you don’t expect anything more from them such as companionship/emotional intimacy.

No offense, but if you never tried it it's hard to say anything about the experience?

An escort and let's say just something superficial like a one night stand are two completely different galaxies. The fact that you're using escorts means you degrade yourself, you arr honry amd you need to nut. And she also degrade herself so it's a coming together of two troubled people. Evenif she's smoking hot like hb9 hot..the quest to concur a woman from scratch is waaaaaay better than a stale encounter restricted by time, knowing younF a woman who gets between5 or 10 or even 20 d1cks per day..

I've been to a handful as it's legal here and..
It's ALWAYS lacklustre at best. Very awkward and makes you wanna leave ASAP. You come ,take your clothes, dress yourself and you think to yourself " might as well jerkrd off for free.."

I can imagine thy a man in a stale ltr does it and then again it's something you won't talk about at the diner table during Christmas...

Nah, having to use prostitution isn't where a man wants to be. Even the prostitute will have a boyfriend, and most likely the sex she has at home is 180 different from "professional sex".

If you are fly as F, ripped and charming you might have a chance that she'll like it too, but IF you are on that level you might as well try EVERY other method as there's plenty of women who want d1ck..

Lastly, more and more women seem to back doen on crazy dating demands..I get offered walks in th bark, coffee dates or straight at her place...cost me nothing and the sex is REA L sex.

 

[Gamisch]

I think a lot have. I've mostly given up myself. Bars are completely pointless these days. They are dead and most are sitting down with their group and not mingling. I'm not really seeing many woman in my day to day to approach. Online dating is completely useless. There aren't any options out there really, especially for a guy my age. At 45 my dating life is pretty much over.

Cope pure uncut cope
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You gonna regret this in few years bro....there are plenty hot women between 30 and 50( your target group).

You are unaware of the fact that a grown woman =a grown woman? Whether she is 19 or 49 won't matter that much.

The bar might not be how it used to be. STILL it's the absolute best place to meet women. Just assume that evey woman at the bar wants something. Be stupid about it. She has a bf? Okay! Next. They know they open themselves up to being approached.

Online dating ...all the cliche should be repeated: have some GOOD photos. Say some.bs in your bio that shows you know who you want, no joking or sacrassme. Be dumb and straight forward . In conversation however I recommend very light humor if a conversation flows.

Lastly you ALWAYS wanna have your antennas on sharp!. There ar now 100 women that would love to fick you ,been watching you sometimes secretly, some avoid eye contact with you...some will straight up approach you to ask something stupid ( but ofcourse you don't regonize it as such..)

The more you work on whatever needs work ,the more thse encounters wil take place. And more frequently...

 

[Borknagar]

Cope pure uncut cope
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You gonna regret this in few years bro....there are plenty hot women between 30 and 50( your target group).

You are unaware of the fact that a grown woman =a grown woman? Whether she is 19 or 49 won't matter that much.

The bar might not be how it used to be. STILL it's the absolute best place to meet women. Just assume that evey woman at the bar wants something. Be stupid about it. She has a bf? Okay! Next. They know they open themselves up to being approached.

Online dating ...all the cliche should be repeated: have some GOOD photos. Say some.bs in your bio that shows you know who you want, no joking or sacrassme. Be dumb and straight forward . In conversation however I recommend very light humor if a conversation flows.

Lastly you ALWAYS wanna have your antennas on sharp!. There ar now 100 women that would love to fick you ,been watching you sometimes secretly, some avoid eye contact with you...some will straight up approach you to ask something stupid ( but ofcourse you don't regonize it as such..)

The more you work on whatever needs work ,the more thse encounters wil take place. And more frequently...

Nah, I'll be fine. Woman aren't really interested in me. If they were they can do it themselves. I just don't see the point in the effort. I'll be fine though. Barely got a libido anyway.

 

[Gamisch]

Nah, I'll be fine. Woman aren't really interested in me. If they were they can do it themselves. I just don't see the point in the effort. I'll be fine though. Barely got a libido anyway.

Sad to hear a 45 y.o.man say this one A seduction forum...

Tons to unpack here..

 

[Borknagar]

Sad to hear a 45 y.o.man say this one A seduction forum...

Tons to unpack here..

Yeah, but barely feeling motivated for sex is actually great. You can focus on other things. Just ****s can get stressful with work would be nice to have a woman to talk to but not necessary. I think it's a combination of age and meds that put me in that place.

 

[SW15]

I think men still care. MGTOW isn't as big as one would make it seem to be. There are so many men out there who want to get laid and have monogamous girlfriends who give them somewhat regular sex. Women are hyperfocused on a smaller percentage of men and ignore a larger percentage of men. The ignored men still want sex.

 

[characternote]

Yeah, but barely feeling motivated for sex is actually great. You can focus on other things. Just ****s can get stressful with work would be nice to have a woman to talk to but not necessary. I think it's a combination of age and meds that put me in that place.

ha, reminds me of a few threads I saw on a forum a while back where guys were trying to find ways to eliminate their sex drives (I guess to get rid of frustration of seeing lots of super hot girls and knowing she won't be into you)

 

[jhonny9546]

I get offered

Where did you meet this kind of women?

I think men still care. MGTOW isn't as big as one would make it seem to be. There are so many men out there who want to get laid and have monogamous girlfriends who give them somewhat regular sex. Women are hyperfocused on a smaller percentage of men and ignore a larger percentage of men. The ignored men still want sex.

This reminded me of this particular comment i saved

Unfortunately.. any honest or moral person in this world has a HUGE disadvantage in life because they will be exploited by people who are not.

The ones who get the farthest are the ones who can appear honest and moral to the public while being cunning and self-serving behind the scenes. Women are good at this by the way. Politicians also.

The trick is to either fake stupidity/innocence --> Acting confused when you get busted leading people to believe it was not intentional. (women)

OR going with pure arrogance --> Acting like you are doing the right thing even when its wrong and refusing to accept its wrong no matter how much people point it out. (Politicians).

"The ones who get the farthest are the ones who can appear honest and moral to the public while being cunning and self-serving behind the scenes"

This line resonate with the lives of everyone.
I don't know how these people feel inside, if their validation is external or internal, if they've game or not, if they've looks or not, if they're living fake, just to have that image, but those people are getting farthest. This is also the case that you will find the most mature and true men out there, not in those roles, like in politics, but in most common life roles, like being a firefighter. Because they are true people. But yes, the other kind of men, the profiteer, would go farthest in his "public" image but not in his "inner" one.

 

[BaronOfHair]

MGTOW isn't as big as one would make it seem to be

Very few men have formally adopted MGTOW as a lifestyle... What we have instead are several million fellas who admit they want to get laid, and have monogamous girlfriends who give them somewhat regular sex, yet in practice spend most of their free time binge watching and playing Red Dead Redemption till 2 in the morning, 5 days a week

 

[Gamisch]

Where did you meet this kind of women?


This reminded me of this particular comment i saved

"The ones who get the farthest are the ones who can appear honest and moral to the public while being cunning and self-serving behind the scenes"

This line resonate with the lives of everyone.
I don't know how these people feel inside, if their validation is external or internal, if they've game or not, if they've looks or not, if they're living fake, just to have that image, but those people are getting farthest. This is also the case that you will find the most mature and true men out there, not in those roles, like in politics, but in most common life roles, like being a firefighter. Because they are true people. But yes, the other kind of men, the profiteer, would go farthest in his "public" image but not in his "inner" one.

In my every day life, online, in the club.

You gotta be yourself without ANY shame. You gotta have principles. I don't spend more than 40 bucks on a first or a second date..only after I fecked her and she invested in ME I start spending.

Be unapologetically you. Women will work for your attention.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Where did you meet this kind of women?

Most likely outside of Italy...

 

[Borknagar]

ha, reminds me of a few threads I saw on a forum a while back where guys were trying to find ways to eliminate their sex drives (I guess to get rid of frustration of seeing lots of super hot girls and knowing she won't be into you)

Lol I don't that that's entirely unreasonable. It can get in the way of focusing on more important things. It would be great to at least find a way to temporarily suppress it to focus on more important things.

 

[SW15]

Very few men have formally adopted MGTOW as a lifestyle..

The numbers of sexless men have grown, especially in the 18-29 age range.

What we have instead are several million fellas who admit they want to get laid, and have monogamous girlfriends who give them somewhat regular sex, yet in practice spend most of their free time binge watching and playing Red Dead Redemption till 2 in the morning, 5 days a week

I think this is more common than the ranks of sexless men. There are plenty of 20 something, 30 something, and even early 40s guys right now doing something similar to this.

Married men are even having less sex than married men in the past.

 

[BaronOfHair]

The numbers of sexless men have grown, especially in the 18-29 age range.



I think this is more common than the ranks of sexless men. There are plenty of 20 something, 30 something, and even early 40s guys right now doing something similar to this.

Married men are even having less sex than married men in the past.

As I said, most men haven't FORMALLY adopted this as a lifestyle: MANY have either dropped out of society entirely, or exists as hermits, after their favorite MGTOW content creator(The majority of whom are themselves married men, living firmly upper middle class lives)preached a gospel of separatism to them

Similar to the way many women ended up lonely and left out of The American Dream, after blindly going along with Gloria Steinem and Andrea Dworkin's message of "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle", even though both of those gals where themselves with a man whilst they preached that malarkey

 

[Travel memoir21]

I'm not going out to bars as much lately due to a lack of wingmen. Bars have been more sausage fests over time.

Good ratios don't mean much. Most fitness classes have great ratios but don't result in a lot of dates.

I’ll be your wingman bro…maybe in a few years I can come to Dallas and we can have a few beers.


As you can see Im a Spurs fan…feel bad you guys lost Luka…that was a dumb trade by Dallas.

 

[Gamisch]

I’ll be your wingman bro…maybe in a few years I can come to Dallas and we can have a few beers.


As you can see Im a Spurs fan…feel bad you guys lost Luka…that was a dumb trade by Dallas.
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Nive gesture but the die hard crowd here should evolve beyond needing a wingman.

A real one can do it by himself.

 

[SW15]

A real one can do it by himself.

Nightlife venue approaching can be done alone. I have done it. It's less than ideal to do it alone.

In nightlife venues, most women are out in groups with other women. Having a wingman helps in dealing with groups.

In a lot of daygame settings, the woman is already isolated from her group of friends. There's far less of a need for a wingman in daygame settings. I have seen plenty of women on walking paths with a friend. A wingman could help there.

Something I learned about nightlife venue approaching later is that groups of 3 are better for approaching when solo as compared to groups of 2. If a solo man approaches a group of 2, one female will be left out and alone. The dynamics are less than ideal. Approaching 2 women can be done solo in nightlife venues, but it's not the best. However, a group of 3 is better. In a 3 set, a solo man can connect well with one woman and the other 2 women in the group can socialize. There's no awkward social exclusion.

I prefer to do non-bar approaching (daygame) because it is less reliant upon a wingman. Additionally, it doesn't require late nights in the same way that nightlife venue approaching will require them.

It's difficult for most men to exclusively be daygamer approachers. There are some people in pickup communities that promote the idea of doing one form of game solely and getting good at that. With daygamers, the big challenge is interacting with enough quantity of women. This is less of a problem for nightgamers and online guys.

 

[Travel memoir21]

I’ll be his wing man cheerleader.

I’ll get him in a social mood and we can talk about a wide range of topics from Politics, Philosophy, God Consciousness, Sports, travel and relationships etc.


We can go to Denny’s after weve had a few drinks lol….anyone here in Texas and wants to join us?

 

[SW15]

Denny’s after we've had a few drinks

Denny's is passable after a night out at the bars. I can name some better places than Denny's that are also 24 hour type diners.

As you can see Im a Spurs fan…feel bad you guys lost Luka…that was a dumb trade by Dallas.

I'm not into spectator sports much. I am aware that the San Antonio Spurs and Dallas Mavericks have a rivalry in the NBA.

Most of their playoff matchups were concentrated in a time period between 2001-2010. 2010 was a while ago.

A lot of Mavericks fans have been upset over the Luka Doncic trade. I've seen headlines on local news websites in Dallas.