Do attractive women in their late 20's and 30's even go out?

[The Duke]

Out of all the women I have met over the years here is where I found most of them:

55%-Dating Apps
20%-Dance Floor at a Country Bar
15%-Socializing at Bars
10%-Concerts

By far the easiest and most fun times were meeting women on the dance floor. I've never met a woman that wouldn't dance, but I know a bunch of guys that refuse to.....If they only knew how easy it was to connect with a woman this way.

Also, the best looking women congregate at the nicest bars. Bars that have music, dancing, and karaoke should be your first stops.

 

[oc16]

It's baffling how much men DON'T understand women. Take( hypothetically)ANY somewhat cute woman and follow her throughout the day. You'll see that SHE will be constantly flirting, having conversations with men from all ages and races and SMVs, laughing and giggling , gets complimented ect. And she LOVES it. Hot women are everywhere

Then I also have to say; if you like kayaking, do it for YOU. If you do want (hot) women they'll be in the bar ,club, festivals and events where they can have FUN. They also know that confident men don't shy away from presenting themselves. Basically it comes down to this; hot women don't give a feck if you don't show up because there are plenty of men who DO feel great about themselves and aren't afraid to show it.

Men use every excuse is the book to actually AVOID hot women while simultaneously looking for a unicorn at a cooking class. Then those same men are upset that there are no hot women to be found. Why don't you go to that cooking class to learn how to cook? A skill you can use to your advantage for the rest of your life and might actually impress women.

You can also clay your own life where you do shyte YOU like, and if a woman comes into your life you can (maybe) get her to join you. You know that every woman can easily go from hb6 to hb8 with some make up clothes and fitness right?

Change your outlook. You carry this negativity with you like that comical rainy cloud.

BTW, I am doing these activities because I WANT To, not because I am trying to meet a woman. I am taking cooking classes, candle making, classes, kayaking and running because they interest me. If I meet a cute woman while doing it; that's an added bonus.

If I were doing these activities to just meet women, I'd be taking ball room dancing or pottery classes. However, I don't...since these do not interest me.

 

[sangheilios]

Out of all the women I have met over the years here is where I found most of them:

55%-Dating Apps
20%-Dance Floor at a Country Bar
15%-Socializing at Bars
10%-Concerts

By far the easiest and most fun times were meeting women on the dance floor. I've never met a woman that wouldn't dance, but I know a bunch of guys that refuse to.....If they only knew how easy it was to connect with a woman this way.

Also, the best looking women congregate at the nicest bars. Bars that have music, dancing, and karaoke should be your first stops.

There was a guy I used to talk to that was big into country bar dancing, I haven't spoken to him in almost 5 years and we left on bad terms.

Anyway, I remember a few times going to country bars with him and a few guys. He was actually very skilled at country dancing, quite impressive to me to be honest. He was an average looking white guy and in pretty good shape. He was never able to pull at a country bar and a few times made some comments about how the women just go there to dance and that many of them were already in relationships, etc. One girl that was a regular was a lesbian lol. Not impossible and there is a chance that it could have been more to do with the metro itself and not country bar dancing exactly.

 

[oc16]

I have never worn earbuds/headphones to the gym.



Many women dart out of fitness classes before anyone could possibly approach them. It's unknown if these women have boyfirends/husbands or are single and available. I think most would already have boyfriends/husbands.

It's difficult to engage women in conversation from class attendance.

Yes, classes will help with overall fitness. However, men can get fit without a group exercise class.

I took a bootcamp conditioning class at a LA Fitness 3X a week for 6 years. You are correct, 75% of these classes were women and I did get some dates out of it. One was a woman from Bulgaria who was about a 7 and about 10 years younger. However, I did not want to get involved with a woman from Eastern Europe (green card stereotype) so I only went out with her once or twice and nothing happened.

When I was 41, I went out with (4x) a 21-year-old who I met in class. She was average to cute, but her youth made her very hot to a man my age. However, the age difference messed with my head and it ended after a month.

The gym floor is another story and not a promising one. The gym floor is 75% men and most women have earbuds in (as you observed).

Spot on!

 

[oc16]

most attractive and intelligent women are working... and then going home to relax. unless, the man is a chad, she doesn't pursue and she doesn't give any opening.

most women are burned out from getting her back blown out from chad and aren't really into dating. A lot in my opinion are "alpha widowed".. or have some form of that.

this is just my conjecture on where attractive women are. yeah, it would be nice to see some concrete analysis..

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I think most average women who are attractive because of their youth are already taken. they are dating "high value" men of all age groups. after the women start to lose their looks, a lot of them are being alpha widowed and will no longer date average guys.... and average guys don't really want to pursue them. high value men want to just have casual relationship because society doesn't shame them anymore for playing arround.

then average guys wonder where all the "attractive" women are....

This is what angers me alot. Most of the men I see with attractive women are no better looking than myself and worse! Why are these men meeting attractive women and I am not?

 

[Slowhandluke]

This is what angers me alot. Most of the men I see with attractive women are no better looking than myself and worse! Why are these men meeting attractive women and I am not?

because, by definition, you are not attractive or attractive enough for women to be interested. is this a "you" problem or is it a "they" problem? you decide.. for me (in western society) , I feel like it's mostly a "they" problem - high expectations after getting their backs blown out by gigga chad hahhahaha

 

[SW15]

I took a bootcamp conditioning class at a LA Fitness 3X a week for 6 years.

That's good. It is likely that helped with your overall fitness level.

Group fitness classes are often a part of big box type gyms like LA Fitness and 24 Hour Fitness. Those big box gyms offer a combination of general fitness equipment and group classes. Big box gyms do tend to offer multiple fitness classes formats (yoga, Pilates, interval training type classes, etc.). It's a part of membership at these gyms.

There are also standalone fitness studio concepts that usually offer 1-2 types of classes and they do them really well. They either sell monthly memberships or short term class packages. Big name brands that are examples of this concept would be Title Boxing and SoulCycle.

I have been to classes at both my regular gym (similar to an LA Fitness) and standalone fitness studios.

You are correct, 75% of these classes were women and I did get some dates out of it.

Every class format will be between 65-80% women. Your approximation that they were 75% women is right in line with what I would expect out of group fitness classes. The ratios are great but women's lack of sociability before/after classes is what makes fitness classes a lackluster way to arrange dates and find a girlfriend.

You went to class 3 times a week for 6 years. If you went to class during 50 weeks of the year for those 6 years (allowing for 2 weeks of vacation), you went to 900 classes. You mention dates with 2 women from them. It's possible the number is higher. The number might also be slightly higher if you adjusted for being in a bigger city like Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, or Denver. Fitness classes are also 45-60 minutes.

If you went to a bar 900 times during a Happy Hour-ish type time frame (5-8 PM weekdays, better time for first date arranging than late night. Late night is better for same night sex.), it is likely that you would have arranged more first dates.

900, 1 hour daygame sessions in most traditional daygame venues are likely to have resulted in more first dates, especially if you picked some good daygame venues in a bigger city.

There's a reason that those YouTube content creators rated fitness classes as F tier. The bigger benefit of fitness classes is physique, and physique might help in nightlife venue approaching or other daygame venues.

One was a woman from Bulgaria who was about a 7 and about 10 years younger. However, I did not want to get involved with a woman from Eastern Europe (green card stereotype) so I only went out with her once or twice and nothing happened.

When I was 41, I went out with (4x) a 21-year-old who I met in class. She was average to cute, but her youth made her very hot to a man my age. However, the age difference messed with my head and it ended after a month.

This was a you thing.

Neither woman was worth dropping if you were the one to drop her.

You might have gotten sex from the 2nd woman that you went out with 4 times.

It's unfortunate you let your head get in the way of possibly good situations.

There was a guy I used to talk to that was big into country bar dancing

I remember a few times going to country bars with him and a few guys. He was actually very skilled at country dancing, quite impressive to me to be honest. He was an average looking white guy and in pretty good shape. He was never able to pull at a country bar and a few times made some comments about how the women just go there to dance and that many of them were already in relationships, etc. One girl that was a regular was a lesbian lol. Not impossible and there is a chance that it could have been more to do with the metro itself and not country bar dancing exactly.

If a man is skilled at dancing, he can usually find dates and sexual partners in a dance venue. This is common for both salsa dancing venues and country western dancing venues.

It is unfortunate that guy you knew didn't pull at that specific country bar.

 

[oc16]

because, by definition, you are not attractive or attractive enough for women to be interested. is this a "you" problem or is it a "they" problem? you decide.. for me (in western society) , I feel like it's mostly a "they" problem - high expectations after getting their backs blown out by gigga chad hahhahaha

I'm 6 feet tall (taller than 80 percent of men) in shape, have most of my hair and decent face.

If you consider 2/3 of men are under 5'10" and or fat; I'm attractive

 

[Gamisch]

This is what angers me alot. Most of the men I see with attractive women are no better looking than myself and worse! Why are these men meeting attractive women and I am not?

Lol, this is THE question that's as old as time.

Many answers. Maybe his slongh is 9 inches. Maybe he has status. Maybe he has money. Maybe it's his sister. Maybe he's friendzoned. Cucked. Maybe they will break up next week. Maybe they're just in the honeymoon phase.

Or...Maybe he just feels great about himself and found a working formula where he satisfies her mentally and physically, he is a charming dude who again, is confident about who HE is..

No matter what it is, it's better to have that attitude where you salute other men for their accomplishments rather than feeling jealous.

If anything use the fact that your LOOKS are not the issue to your advantage..what means that your issue is rather INTERNAL

 

[AmsterdamAssassin]

This is what angers me alot. Most of the men I see with attractive women are no better looking than myself and worse! Why are these men meeting attractive women and I am not?

First fix the anger issues. This should not anger you.

I'm 6 feet tall (taller than 80 percent of men) in shape, have most of my hair and decent face.

Then it's not your looks that you get rejected for. Maybe your frustration is visible. And visible frustration is an active women repellent.

 

[SW15]

most attractive and intelligent women are working... and then going home to relax. unless, the man is a chad, she doesn't pursue and she doesn't give any opening.

Many women do not have a day-to-day life routine that puts them into contact with a lot of men. This isn't that much of an issue for her as she can snap a few good photos and have far more male options than if she were going out to nightlife venues 3 nights per week with the intention of meeting men.

When women have the sort of abundance they can and often do have, they start to only want the top tier men (men called 'Chads' at times on this forum).

I think most average women who are attractive because of their youth are already taken. they are dating "high value" men of all age groups. after the women start to lose their looks, a lot of them are being alpha widowed and will no longer date average guys.... and average guys don't really want to pursue them. high value men want to just have casual relationship because society doesn't shame them anymore for playing arround.

then average guys wonder where all the "attractive" women are....

It's quite easy for a woman to get taken with the abundance she has.

If she uses a swipe app, she has hundreds of options.

If she isn't using a swipe app, she has an Instagram if she's under 40. She has DMs on her Instagram. If she went to college and has a white collar job, she has LinkedIn and she's getting DMs there too. She might also be getting DMs from Facebook and X/Twitter still. A lot of women have good DM volume and have options there.

Even if a woman doesn't have a great day-to-day routine, she is getting approached in-person. If she betters her day-to-day routine, she'll get more approaches.

most women are burned out from getting her back blown out from chad and aren't really into dating. A lot in my opinion are "alpha widowed".. or have some form of that.

I feel like it's mostly a "they" problem - high expectations after getting their backs blown out by gigga chad hahhahaha

This happens. There are women who get to the 28-34 age range and have been dating 10+ years. In that time, a lot of them are often dating good looking men.

I once overheard a female fitness class instructor talking to a female class attendee about her disastrous experiences on swipe apps after one fitness class I attended. This class instructor was 30 years old when she had that conversation. It is likely she had been riding the penis carousel and getting her back blown out by Chads. This fitness instructor has had a good physique and solid facial aesthetics.

How likely is it that she will want to settle for some middle tier man? Even if she gets a middle tier man that is somewhat above average in looks/money, how excited will she be to start a life with him in her 30s after riding a penis carousel in a big city?

A notable internet example of a woman who got off the penis carousel earlier in life is Courtney Ryan. She likely spent her teens/early 20s with alpha type guys/the hot guys at foam parties at Spring Break in Florida. She ended up with a dweeb with money named Teddy Baldassarre that she met off of a swipe app. She is with Teddy for his money/status and probably liked the sex with hot guys more than the sex with Teddy. However, she realized alpha males weren't committing to her, so she decided to find a rich beta before her 20s expired.

 

[BadBoy89]

I think most average women who are attractive because of their youth are already taken. they are dating "high value" men of all age groups. after the women start to lose their looks, a lot of them are being alpha widowed and will no longer date average guys.... and average guys don't really want to pursue them. high value men want to just have casual relationship because society doesn't shame them anymore for playing arround.

then average guys wonder where all the "attractive" women are....

+1. This is it. This is the make female dynamic in a nutshell. This is the whole point of Sosuave.

The only thing that’s a diminishing resource and men cannot get themselves, the only thing that’s men fight for, the only thing the powerful people want, is a woman’s youth. That’s it. They dont want anything else. They just want her youth. A woman’s estrogen is what gives her the looks and sexiness, and it’s on the clock. So men fight for the woman with the highest amount of estrogen.

A woman’s youth will overtake her virginity. A 26 year old woman slept with 2 guys is much more valuable than a 34 year old virgin.

 

[Bingo-Player]

Yea of course they do , you're just either in the wrong places or the wrong social circles

Last year when I was in the UK.... the only place I could get anywhere near attractive chicks was in my gym

The UK can be Cliquey and usually social circles are closed too unknown entities but even on nights out it was hard fvcking work

Now I am in Australia and invested a lot of time going to different sorts of social events and building circles I meet new chicks every week and have actually been able to structure a rotation of women for sex

Modern women are very very cautious about what types of men they allow near them

you have to understand how too infiltrate their circles

 

[Slowhandluke]

+1. This is it. This is the make female dynamic in a nutshell. This is the whole point of Sosuave.

The only thing that’s a diminishing resource and men cannot get themselves, the only thing that’s men fight for, the only thing the powerful people want, is a woman’s youth. That’s it. They dont want anything else. They just want her youth. A woman’s estrogen is what gives her the looks and sexiness, and it’s on the clock. So men fight for the woman with the highest amount of estrogen.

A woman’s youth will overtake her virginity. A 26 year old woman slept with 2 guys is much more valuable than a 34 year old virgin.

its about fertility for women and resources for men at the most primal level. and, oh, water is wet

 

[Solomon]

Yea of course they do , you're just either in the wrong places or the wrong social circles

Last year when I was in the UK.... the only place I could get anywhere near attractive chicks was in my gym

The UK can be Cliquey and usually social circles are closed too unknown entities but even on nights out it was hard fvcking work

Now I am in Australia and invested a lot of time going to different sorts of social events and building circles I meet new chicks every week and have actually been able to structure a rotation of women for sex

Modern women are very very cautious about what types of men they allow near them

you have to understand how too infiltrate their circles

Most men don't hence they are relegated to dating apps, club game or nada
The old cliche of a man having an interesting life is true
Having a fun life will allow you to meet women in different spaces and places

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[characternote]

Last year when I was in the UK.... the only place I could get anywhere near attractive chicks was in my gym

The UK can be Cliquey and usually social circles are closed too unknown entities but even on nights out it was hard fvcking work

amen.

The rejection rate of even my 'fairly decent looking' friends on cold approach is through the freaking roof lol. Literally super closed off girls who couldn't be less interested and seem to find it bizzare that they're being spoken too by a 'random' haha (only my EXCEPTIONALLY good looking friends were able to get a very good approach to lay ratio)

The whole 'don't talk to strangers' thing that was engrained in us in the UK from an early age probably accounts for this too an extent! I hear US guys talking about rude girls who they approach etc and then they describe it, and it's like i'm thinking 'she sounded quite friendly!' lol.

Tbh, that subject (culture differences and thus how hard and easy cold approach is in different places) always interested me

I was able to 'somewhat' confirm it when I got laid like a rockstar in places like Budapest and some US states, but it's still something I want to dig into a bit more, tbh