DJ Bootcamp Week 1 (Summer 2005)
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Hey guys! does "good morning" count?
i've discovered from doing about 5 or 6 hellos, that i actually tend to mumble or say hi in a negative way. time to change that!
to the others, I think this whole eye contact, smile thing is really important. i know this from experience...
one time, i was chatting to some old granny at the bus station, when this girl walks past me (i'd been giving her the eye and a smile before!) and she said hi. anyway, all the way through speaking to this timer, she keeps looking my way and smiling... i do the same. anyway, after a few minutes she actually comes and interupts my convo with the granny to talk to me. can you beleive it?
thanks!
i've discovered from doing about 5 or 6 hellos, that i actually tend to mumble or say hi in a negative way. time to change that!
to the others, I think this whole eye contact, smile thing is really important. i know this from experience...
one time, i was chatting to some old granny at the bus station, when this girl walks past me (i'd been giving her the eye and a smile before!) and she said hi. anyway, all the way through speaking to this timer, she keeps looking my way and smiling... i do the same. anyway, after a few minutes she actually comes and interupts my convo with the granny to talk to me. can you beleive it?
thanks!
Ever onward
Master Don Juan
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Your talking about my F.A.Q. aren't you? See I told you! Girls are JUST as shy as we are. Isn't it fukken unbelievable? Don't hold yourself back because of your own limiting beliefs. It's the man's duty to approach.
So are you guys starting to feel it yet? That energetic change that takes place when you take action, get past your fear and become more social?
As for my bootcamp. I severly strained my back last night and I've put bootcamp on hold at least for today. I hope I feel much better tomorrow. I'm so bummed I don't feel like doing anything.
made a xanga post. I dont know how to use it that well(not sure how to link to the site)but my name there is edo181 at www.xanga.com. Comments or advice appreciated.
The_Shezzler
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Metalixia
Any greeting counts. That includes Hello, hi, hey, how are ya, howdy, good morning, good afternoon, good night, whats up, what's going on, g'day, cheerio, etc. Greetings are greetings. Don't get too caught up on what you say. Just say something.
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Metalixia
Any greeting counts. That includes Hello, hi, hey, how are ya, howdy, good morning, good afternoon, good night, whats up, what's going on, g'day, cheerio, etc. Greetings are greetings. Don't get too caught up on what you say. Just say something.
I did about 6 today.
It's kind of easy working at a hospital I always see new faces. I liked joking with this older black lady as I entered one of our labs.
But the highlight of the day was the smile a girl jogging gave me when I smiled at her. She was hot and normally joggers almost ignore you.
I am definitely smiling at every chick I see jogging from now on! There are some hotties here.
It's kind of easy working at a hospital I always see new faces. I liked joking with this older black lady as I entered one of our labs.
But the highlight of the day was the smile a girl jogging gave me when I smiled at her. She was hot and normally joggers almost ignore you.
I am definitely smiling at every chick I see jogging from now on! There are some hotties here.
Caldus
Senior Don Juan
OK guys I'm reporting in from my first day of saying hi's+eye contact (doing both at once).
I decided to go to the mall around 8:20 at night. Was there for a little over an hour (left at around 9:30 when it was closing). I want to say that I said hi and made contact with 13 people in total but a few of them weren't great at all so not sure if I even want to count them. I made the goal of only doing this with females that look around my age or hot MILFs.
So here we go:
#1: Was in the bookstore since it was hard finding someone alone in the mall lobby. Everyone seems to go in groups these days. Anyway, a cute black girl is walking by herself. So I get read to walk down the aisle to say hi. I walk down, start looking at her. She looks up but immediately looks down. I then smile at her and say hi. She says hi back without looking at me and keeps walking. Rating: 3/5
#2: In bookstore, came up to employee (female - a 6 I would say), smiled, and said hi, excuse me. She turns around and I try to smile but shyed out for this one. I ask if they are hiring and she says nope sorry. So I say thanks and then smile and then walk away. Rating: 1/5 <--- Probably not going to count this one.
#3 and #4 were fairly decent looking MILFs and I just came up to them while they were looking at the bookshelves. I tried to get them to look at me. One of them was probably too shy to look back but knew I was looking at them. I came up to one and just said hi. She didn't say anything. Was probably figuring out why I was saying hi to her. Rating: 2/5 since she was fairly hot anyway. The other one actually looked back and said hey and smiled a bit. Rating: 2/5
#5: Final "hi" in bookstore was an HB7 around my age. I was facing her at the other end of the aisle and we both walked towards each other. I smiled but she didn't really look at me. I then said hi and she said hi but didn't really smile. Still felt good about this one though. Rating: 3/5
#6: This was a horrible one. I was walking into a bookstore and then said hi (didn't smile too well with this one I don't think) to a MILF. She looked at me all confused as we walked by. Rating: 1/5
#7: HB7 store clerk working at some smaller department store. I walked up to her (facing towards her) started smiling as I approached her. She starting smiling back a little. I went up to her and asked if they were hiring while looking right at her eyes the whole time. She said try blah blah blah place. I said thanks and smiled while looking right at her. She smiled a little too. Rating: 3/5
#8: Probably the best one of the night. Not sure though. Went into some jewerly store where an HB8 (maybe in her mid-twenties though) was working. Eye-contacted her and smiled while walking up to her. She smiled right back (a very warm and welcoming smile) and I asked her if any places around the mall were hiring. She said try blah blah blah. I said thanks and everything while maintaining eye contact and smiling. She smiled again as I left. Rating: 5/5
#9: Was in another department store. Saw an HB8 walking around so I set myself up to walk towards her. I smiled but it wasn't as good as the last smile I don't think. While looking at her I said hi. She glanced at me and mumbled hi back. She looked pretty shy about it. Rating: 3/5
#10: Was in a hunting department store just checking out stuff until I saw opportunities. Walked by a MILF and said hi. She smiled back and said hi. Rating: 4/5
#11: While in the mall lobby. Saw a really hot chick sitting by herself (HB9 I would say). I swallowed my pride again, starting walking up to her while smiling and making eye contact (smiled after she started looking at me). She didn't smile back and after about two seconds she looked back down. I looked at her for another second but didn't manage to say hi to her. I just felt good after this one though. Rating: 4/5
#12: Another HB9 was walking by herself sipping a drink with her straw. I did same thing I did with #11. She looks at me briefly after I manage to say hi this time. She just keeps looking at me but doesn't say hi back. Looked a little shy about it. Felt good about this one. Rating: 4/5
#13: Went back into the bookstore again because I wanted to check on a certain book in there anyway while I was in the mall. I saw an HB7 employee (not the same one as before). She went to her receptionist spot. I walked up to her while smiling. I say hi and she smiles and says hi back. I keep smiling for another second and then turn away and keep walking. Rating: 4/5
#14: Felt like doing one more good one so I went for it. An HB9 working at a smaller department store was by herself and not at her register. So I walk in and start smiling at her while walking towards her. She looks up but doesn't smile. She kept the eye contact though. I said hi and she said hi back. I asked if any stores around were hiring, blah blah blah. I then say thanks while smiling and walked out. Felt good about it and at this point probably had the confidence to start talking to her about something else. Decided against it since she was closing the store and everything. Felt good about this one anyway. Rating: 4/5
So in conclusion I must say that people really are shy. Even hot women. It's crazy. I felt good after I got out of there though. That's the important part I guess. Even if the approaches were kinda lame.
Will keep everyone reported. Hope I'm doing this right so far.
I decided to go to the mall around 8:20 at night. Was there for a little over an hour (left at around 9:30 when it was closing). I want to say that I said hi and made contact with 13 people in total but a few of them weren't great at all so not sure if I even want to count them. I made the goal of only doing this with females that look around my age or hot MILFs.
So here we go:
#1: Was in the bookstore since it was hard finding someone alone in the mall lobby. Everyone seems to go in groups these days. Anyway, a cute black girl is walking by herself. So I get read to walk down the aisle to say hi. I walk down, start looking at her. She looks up but immediately looks down. I then smile at her and say hi. She says hi back without looking at me and keeps walking. Rating: 3/5
#2: In bookstore, came up to employee (female - a 6 I would say), smiled, and said hi, excuse me. She turns around and I try to smile but shyed out for this one. I ask if they are hiring and she says nope sorry. So I say thanks and then smile and then walk away. Rating: 1/5 <--- Probably not going to count this one.
#3 and #4 were fairly decent looking MILFs and I just came up to them while they were looking at the bookshelves. I tried to get them to look at me. One of them was probably too shy to look back but knew I was looking at them. I came up to one and just said hi. She didn't say anything. Was probably figuring out why I was saying hi to her. Rating: 2/5 since she was fairly hot anyway. The other one actually looked back and said hey and smiled a bit. Rating: 2/5
#5: Final "hi" in bookstore was an HB7 around my age. I was facing her at the other end of the aisle and we both walked towards each other. I smiled but she didn't really look at me. I then said hi and she said hi but didn't really smile. Still felt good about this one though. Rating: 3/5
#6: This was a horrible one. I was walking into a bookstore and then said hi (didn't smile too well with this one I don't think) to a MILF. She looked at me all confused as we walked by. Rating: 1/5
#7: HB7 store clerk working at some smaller department store. I walked up to her (facing towards her) started smiling as I approached her. She starting smiling back a little. I went up to her and asked if they were hiring while looking right at her eyes the whole time. She said try blah blah blah place. I said thanks and smiled while looking right at her. She smiled a little too. Rating: 3/5
#8: Probably the best one of the night. Not sure though. Went into some jewerly store where an HB8 (maybe in her mid-twenties though) was working. Eye-contacted her and smiled while walking up to her. She smiled right back (a very warm and welcoming smile) and I asked her if any places around the mall were hiring. She said try blah blah blah. I said thanks and everything while maintaining eye contact and smiling. She smiled again as I left. Rating: 5/5
#9: Was in another department store. Saw an HB8 walking around so I set myself up to walk towards her. I smiled but it wasn't as good as the last smile I don't think. While looking at her I said hi. She glanced at me and mumbled hi back. She looked pretty shy about it. Rating: 3/5
#10: Was in a hunting department store just checking out stuff until I saw opportunities. Walked by a MILF and said hi. She smiled back and said hi. Rating: 4/5
#11: While in the mall lobby. Saw a really hot chick sitting by herself (HB9 I would say). I swallowed my pride again, starting walking up to her while smiling and making eye contact (smiled after she started looking at me). She didn't smile back and after about two seconds she looked back down. I looked at her for another second but didn't manage to say hi to her. I just felt good after this one though. Rating: 4/5
#12: Another HB9 was walking by herself sipping a drink with her straw. I did same thing I did with #11. She looks at me briefly after I manage to say hi this time. She just keeps looking at me but doesn't say hi back. Looked a little shy about it. Felt good about this one. Rating: 4/5
#13: Went back into the bookstore again because I wanted to check on a certain book in there anyway while I was in the mall. I saw an HB7 employee (not the same one as before). She went to her receptionist spot. I walked up to her while smiling. I say hi and she smiles and says hi back. I keep smiling for another second and then turn away and keep walking. Rating: 4/5
#14: Felt like doing one more good one so I went for it. An HB9 working at a smaller department store was by herself and not at her register. So I walk in and start smiling at her while walking towards her. She looks up but doesn't smile. She kept the eye contact though. I said hi and she said hi back. I asked if any stores around were hiring, blah blah blah. I then say thanks while smiling and walked out. Felt good about it and at this point probably had the confidence to start talking to her about something else. Decided against it since she was closing the store and everything. Felt good about this one anyway. Rating: 4/5
So in conclusion I must say that people really are shy. Even hot women. It's crazy. I felt good after I got out of there though. That's the important part I guess. Even if the approaches were kinda lame.
Will keep everyone reported. Hope I'm doing this right so far.
Mjfan12
Don Juan
Well I was feeling kinda scared and nervous about even saying hi and eye contact today.
Usually I would have just given up and or procastinated and would never have gotton anything done.
But then I remembered all you guys and that motivated me to get out there! I WILL suceed!
Anyway I decided to walk to the mall nearby and I went through my neighborhood.
It was 95 degrees today! Hot as fcuk!
I was wearing jeans, sneakers and a long sleeved button up and a Sox hat.
I was very hot, both in terms of my appearence and my condition! LOL.
Anyway I saw a few strangers around and I felt real scared, but I just went for it and said hi, hello, how's it going?, etc to as many people as I could.
An old lady watering her lawn, a young woman playing with her kid, a jogger running past, a couple of mexican lawn guys, etc.
I then went into the mall where I said hi to as many people as I could. Young, old, ugly, cute, janitors, cashiers, clerks, store employees, etc.
The only thing I was disappointed with is that not many people initiated any eye contact, and the few that did, did so for only a few seconds.
I also didnt say hi to the few hotties that were around. (tonight there weren't many attractive girls there)
The ones that were good looking, all were with their boyfriends or were in large groups like 5 of them.
I coulnd speak to them when they were together. I hope to rectify that very soon, but baby steps, ya know.
I felt pretty good about myself!
I then left the mall and started walking down the street saying hi and trying to keep eye contact with as many people as possible.
I didn't count the eye contacts, but I got around 34 his to total strangers in about an hour and a half! Give or take a couple.
Anyway, of these 34, about half ignored me, so I dont know whether I should count them or not.
Should I count them?
The other half very very nice people and said hi back and smiled, which was great.
As for being ignored, this would have made me feel slightly bad before, but I didn't care at all today. I just didn't give a damn anymore!
Even if I reach 50 in a couple of days, I'll still continue to say hi and eye contact as many people as I can.
Total his: 34
His that were ignored: about half, like maybe 14 or 15
Usually I would have just given up and or procastinated and would never have gotton anything done.
But then I remembered all you guys and that motivated me to get out there! I WILL suceed!
Anyway I decided to walk to the mall nearby and I went through my neighborhood.
It was 95 degrees today! Hot as fcuk!
I was wearing jeans, sneakers and a long sleeved button up and a Sox hat.
I was very hot, both in terms of my appearence and my condition! LOL.
Anyway I saw a few strangers around and I felt real scared, but I just went for it and said hi, hello, how's it going?, etc to as many people as I could.
An old lady watering her lawn, a young woman playing with her kid, a jogger running past, a couple of mexican lawn guys, etc.
I then went into the mall where I said hi to as many people as I could. Young, old, ugly, cute, janitors, cashiers, clerks, store employees, etc.
The only thing I was disappointed with is that not many people initiated any eye contact, and the few that did, did so for only a few seconds.
I also didnt say hi to the few hotties that were around. (tonight there weren't many attractive girls there)
The ones that were good looking, all were with their boyfriends or were in large groups like 5 of them.
I coulnd speak to them when they were together. I hope to rectify that very soon, but baby steps, ya know.
I felt pretty good about myself!
I then left the mall and started walking down the street saying hi and trying to keep eye contact with as many people as possible.
I didn't count the eye contacts, but I got around 34 his to total strangers in about an hour and a half! Give or take a couple.
Anyway, of these 34, about half ignored me, so I dont know whether I should count them or not.
Should I count them?
The other half very very nice people and said hi back and smiled, which was great.
As for being ignored, this would have made me feel slightly bad before, but I didn't care at all today. I just didn't give a damn anymore!
Even if I reach 50 in a couple of days, I'll still continue to say hi and eye contact as many people as I can.
Total his: 34
His that were ignored: about half, like maybe 14 or 15
Your problem lies in your topic of dicussion. If you work, when you're there, do you want to talk about what you're doing, or do you want to talk about anything to take your mind off of whatever boring **** you're doing? Talk about something else. You said its hot out right? Well, go up to some chick in Abercrombie who is by some ripped clothes (not hard to find there
) and make eye contact and give a little smile. Get closer to her (not weird close, but conversation close) and make some joke about how they get away with charging $80 for a torn up pair of jeans. Don't make her fel guilty, say "they" in reference to A&F instead of anything like "you" or "you guys" when making the joke. She will probably giggle or laugh, and mention something about how they would be great in this weather. Take it from thereCaldus
Senior Don Juan
Yeah good point. I mean I was mainly going for the eye contact and smile deal really. I'll have to work on other aspects of my game later on. But good tips.Originally posted by LostinNJ
Your problem lies in your topic of dicussion. If you work, when you're there, do you want to talk about what you're doing, or do you want to talk about anything to take your mind off of whatever boring **** you're doing? Talk about something else. You said its hot out right? Well, go up to some chick in Abercrombie who is by some ripped clothes (not hard to find there
And very well done Mjfan. I would suggest concentrating on HB's from this point on but that's just me. Whatever you fear approaching the most just go right towards it. Sounds like you're feeling better about this.
Mjfan12
Don Juan
Yeah you're right. I will spend the remainder of the week focusing on HBs, but there weren't that man HBs today (I'll visit bigger and more popular malls, and the beach), and I am shy talking to any stranger whether they be men or women, so I felt talking to everybody would give me a little boost.
I may have trouble with HBs tommorow, or the day after, but i'm positive that I'll get comfortable with it before weeks end.
Thanks for the input, and keep up the good work guys!
Caldus
Senior Don Juan
Remember buddy we're all in this together. Let's all keep at it. If anyone wants to talk IM me on AIM at MythrilGecko. I'm heading to the pool tomorrow to do a couple of hi's there and then possibly go out again.
crazygecko
Don Juan
Yea it was! Couldn't think where I had read it at the time. Well written FAQ, good job.
It feels good knowing I'm dominating the situation, and not shying away from a little lack of interest.
crazygecko
Don Juan
Good job Mjfan. Can't believe you did 34, that's incredible!
I felt scared while doing them too, good to push yourself. Well done for overcoming your fear!
Regarding not getting much EC, how are you doing the hi's? Are you saying them while not having EC I'm guessing and waiting for them to make EC after. I found it helpful to make EC first, then smile and say hi. People seem to be more open, and less startled this way.
LegalSeduction
Don Juan
blogged about this, but decided to post it here too.
tonight i met up with 5 people in my town that are also studying pickup and seduction (met them on the internet).. their initials, in order of skill, were D, P & T (tied), E and B. they were all very cool, and willing to share and teach. none of them were ugly.. in fact, i think i may have been the least attractive one there tonight.
at first we basically just stood around for an hour talking about our experiences, and sharing ideas and stories. D, P and T made a few approaches over the next hour. Then E approached a few too. Then we decided to head to a bar.. but we were 6 guys without any women!! they weren't going to let us in. we split up into three groups. D, P, and T were in one, E, B, and i were in the other. there was an HB7 standing behind us on line, she was alone, so we talked to her a little. we asked her to stand between the two groups we made so we wouldn't obviously be together. E tried to open her with "who lies more, men or women?" the bouncer knew all 6 of us were together (we were talking on line, and were obviously familiar with eachother), and he gave us a hard time. D, P and T said the girl that my group was talking to was with them so they could get in. long story short, the three most skilled PUAs (pickup artists) went into the bar/lounge, and the three least skilled ones were kicked to the curb. that's fine, though.. since i had to leave at 1AM anyway (about half an hour after the whole bar thing).. i couldn't have stayed long anyway.
E, B and i walked around for a bit. E decided to open a 2-set (set of two girls) that were sitting in a bar's patio outside. i went inside a clothing store next door for a minute to give him time to open, then when i came out, i was like "yo, what up E" he said "hey legal seduction. girls, this is my friend..." --E forgot my name!!-- then i cut in "my name is legal seduction, nice to meet you" and extended my hand. they both gave me their names, and then gave E their names (he hadn't gotten their names yet).
E was using the "who lies more" opener on them.. i knew because when i entered the conversation, they were giving their opinions. they both agreed that women and men lie the most. usually E explains why he asked the question by saying he had a bet going with a friend.. so right away i said "look, they're not gonna help you win the bet. i told you women lie more, they're lying right now!" .. that made them laugh. i accused them of lieing a few more times.
then they got into how one of them (HB8.5-asian) never lies, and how the other (HB6) lies a lot, and how they're a great match for eachother. i asked them if they were on their first date. they looked at eachother funny for a few seconds, then decided to play along, and said yes. i realize now that women love to role play. if you can set up situations where you're assuming something funnily absurd, they will usually play along and have a lot of fun with it.
after the lesbian thing was brought up, E said that they wink at eachother a lot in some kind of girl code.. they laughed and said yeah we wink at eachother a lot, blah blah. then i asked E if he knew what winking means.. he said no.. so i leaned in and whispered in his ear "pretend i just said something funny, and laugh" .. he just smiled and nodded.. it didn't work the way i hoped it would.
the HBasian was kinda smart & a smartass to boot, and she started getting argumentative with me.. well, being a 0L XOXOHTHer, i couldn't turn down a good argument. i didn't really have any way of winning though. i think she was right.. i just didn't want to agree with her, because i'd already declared that women definitely lie more.
during the convo, B was just hanging out looking bored. i was really uncomfortable with that, because he was obviously with us, waiting for us to finish the conversation.. it's just not in my personality to leave my buddy hanging bored as hell while i exclude him from a fun convo i'm having with someone else... so i said hey man, come over here.. introduce yourself (i couldn't remember his name!!! otherwise i would have said "this is our buddy B"). he didn't want to.. so i left him out of it. next time i'm in a 3-person group and it's only me and another guy doing the pickup, i'm going to tell the third guy that he will be joining the conversation, no matter what. even if it is against the standard PUA rules and bylaws.
toward the end of the pickup, HBasian started saying things like "take this with you..." and reiterated her opinion. she obviously wanted us to leave. at the final end, after she said that it's obvious when men lie, and i said you're obviously not dating men that are slick enough, she said 'believe me, our guys are the slickest around'.. it was an obvious 'ok, you guys are boring me now. leave.' we left.
after the attempted pickup, B and E were telling me that i did a great job, and they were asking me questions like what was going through my head when i was saying the things i was saying.. but i had to explain to them that E did the hard part.. it's easy to come in AFTER the set has already been opened.. E approached them cold and got them engaged in conversation. i will be able to do that someday.
tonight i met up with 5 people in my town that are also studying pickup and seduction (met them on the internet).. their initials, in order of skill, were D, P & T (tied), E and B. they were all very cool, and willing to share and teach. none of them were ugly.. in fact, i think i may have been the least attractive one there tonight.
at first we basically just stood around for an hour talking about our experiences, and sharing ideas and stories. D, P and T made a few approaches over the next hour. Then E approached a few too. Then we decided to head to a bar.. but we were 6 guys without any women!! they weren't going to let us in. we split up into three groups. D, P, and T were in one, E, B, and i were in the other. there was an HB7 standing behind us on line, she was alone, so we talked to her a little. we asked her to stand between the two groups we made so we wouldn't obviously be together. E tried to open her with "who lies more, men or women?" the bouncer knew all 6 of us were together (we were talking on line, and were obviously familiar with eachother), and he gave us a hard time. D, P and T said the girl that my group was talking to was with them so they could get in. long story short, the three most skilled PUAs (pickup artists) went into the bar/lounge, and the three least skilled ones were kicked to the curb. that's fine, though.. since i had to leave at 1AM anyway (about half an hour after the whole bar thing).. i couldn't have stayed long anyway.
E, B and i walked around for a bit. E decided to open a 2-set (set of two girls) that were sitting in a bar's patio outside. i went inside a clothing store next door for a minute to give him time to open, then when i came out, i was like "yo, what up E" he said "hey legal seduction. girls, this is my friend..." --E forgot my name!!-- then i cut in "my name is legal seduction, nice to meet you" and extended my hand. they both gave me their names, and then gave E their names (he hadn't gotten their names yet).
E was using the "who lies more" opener on them.. i knew because when i entered the conversation, they were giving their opinions. they both agreed that women and men lie the most. usually E explains why he asked the question by saying he had a bet going with a friend.. so right away i said "look, they're not gonna help you win the bet. i told you women lie more, they're lying right now!" .. that made them laugh. i accused them of lieing a few more times.
then they got into how one of them (HB8.5-asian) never lies, and how the other (HB6) lies a lot, and how they're a great match for eachother. i asked them if they were on their first date. they looked at eachother funny for a few seconds, then decided to play along, and said yes. i realize now that women love to role play. if you can set up situations where you're assuming something funnily absurd, they will usually play along and have a lot of fun with it.
after the lesbian thing was brought up, E said that they wink at eachother a lot in some kind of girl code.. they laughed and said yeah we wink at eachother a lot, blah blah. then i asked E if he knew what winking means.. he said no.. so i leaned in and whispered in his ear "pretend i just said something funny, and laugh" .. he just smiled and nodded.. it didn't work the way i hoped it would.
the HBasian was kinda smart & a smartass to boot, and she started getting argumentative with me.. well, being a 0L XOXOHTHer, i couldn't turn down a good argument. i didn't really have any way of winning though. i think she was right.. i just didn't want to agree with her, because i'd already declared that women definitely lie more.
during the convo, B was just hanging out looking bored. i was really uncomfortable with that, because he was obviously with us, waiting for us to finish the conversation.. it's just not in my personality to leave my buddy hanging bored as hell while i exclude him from a fun convo i'm having with someone else... so i said hey man, come over here.. introduce yourself (i couldn't remember his name!!! otherwise i would have said "this is our buddy B"). he didn't want to.. so i left him out of it. next time i'm in a 3-person group and it's only me and another guy doing the pickup, i'm going to tell the third guy that he will be joining the conversation, no matter what. even if it is against the standard PUA rules and bylaws.
toward the end of the pickup, HBasian started saying things like "take this with you..." and reiterated her opinion. she obviously wanted us to leave. at the final end, after she said that it's obvious when men lie, and i said you're obviously not dating men that are slick enough, she said 'believe me, our guys are the slickest around'.. it was an obvious 'ok, you guys are boring me now. leave.' we left.
after the attempted pickup, B and E were telling me that i did a great job, and they were asking me questions like what was going through my head when i was saying the things i was saying.. but i had to explain to them that E did the hard part.. it's easy to come in AFTER the set has already been opened.. E approached them cold and got them engaged in conversation. i will be able to do that someday.
week1 day 1
Well today I went to the beach with a buddy of mine, but we also ended up going with this chick whose a friend of his since she was the only person who could drive us there.
Ayways, today wasn't as successful as I was hoping.Well I saw a lot of people but not to many hot chicks today, and I thought I might as well keep the eye contact and hi's for the hb's since they would make me the most nervous and hardest to deal with.
Well for awhile we couldn't really find any hot chicks, and usually when I did see them they were either with they're b/f or in big groups which I wasn't ready to handle. So I did a pathetic one hi today lol. Well whart happened was that me and my friend and that other girl friend of his were sitting down at a bench and well we see these chicks sitting on the grass behind us, so when his friend whom was the girl left to increase her parking time, after a couple minutes of hesitationg we see that they're about to leave so I was like screw this let's do it, so I get up and say hi to them while holding eye contact with one of the chicks and smiling, then my friend asks how old they are and they say they're sixteen and since he's 19 and i'm almost 19 we're like screw anything else and we leave. We'll there was my first pathetic attempt, but for some reason even doing something like that which I felt nervous about wasn't as bad as I thought it would have been, once it was finished even though it wa sone pathetic hi lol. Well this boosted my confidence a little and now i'm more determined to continue bootcamp unlike earlier where I felt like quiting before even trying.
Well today I went to the beach with a buddy of mine, but we also ended up going with this chick whose a friend of his since she was the only person who could drive us there.
Ayways, today wasn't as successful as I was hoping.Well I saw a lot of people but not to many hot chicks today, and I thought I might as well keep the eye contact and hi's for the hb's since they would make me the most nervous and hardest to deal with.
Well for awhile we couldn't really find any hot chicks, and usually when I did see them they were either with they're b/f or in big groups which I wasn't ready to handle. So I did a pathetic one hi today lol. Well whart happened was that me and my friend and that other girl friend of his were sitting down at a bench and well we see these chicks sitting on the grass behind us, so when his friend whom was the girl left to increase her parking time, after a couple minutes of hesitationg we see that they're about to leave so I was like screw this let's do it, so I get up and say hi to them while holding eye contact with one of the chicks and smiling, then my friend asks how old they are and they say they're sixteen and since he's 19 and i'm almost 19 we're like screw anything else and we leave. We'll there was my first pathetic attempt, but for some reason even doing something like that which I felt nervous about wasn't as bad as I thought it would have been, once it was finished even though it wa sone pathetic hi lol. Well this boosted my confidence a little and now i'm more determined to continue bootcamp unlike earlier where I felt like quiting before even trying.
week 1 day 1
On my way to uni, had two ECs, chickened out when I was supposed to say hi. This seems a lot harder than I thought.
Later on that day, on the way home, a super cute petite HB9, we were having massive EC, I said hi, and she gave me this incredible smile and greeted me back. She never even broke EC till we passed each other. Could have gone for the number close too.
In the evening I was supposed to meet a few friends, I show up 30 minutes earlier to do more excercises, but another friend needs a ride so I stay on only one hi for a day1. Did some more ECs in the pubs but won't count them cause I'll cont only combinations of HIs and ECs.
I also decided to do this excercise only with HBs 6 or more since that is more fun and more challenging than greeting senior citizens or kids.
Feeling very pumped after a response from HB9, this sh*t rocks!
HI&EC count: 1
On my way to uni, had two ECs, chickened out when I was supposed to say hi. This seems a lot harder than I thought.
Later on that day, on the way home, a super cute petite HB9, we were having massive EC, I said hi, and she gave me this incredible smile and greeted me back. She never even broke EC till we passed each other. Could have gone for the number close too.
In the evening I was supposed to meet a few friends, I show up 30 minutes earlier to do more excercises, but another friend needs a ride so I stay on only one hi for a day1. Did some more ECs in the pubs but won't count them cause I'll cont only combinations of HIs and ECs.
I also decided to do this excercise only with HBs 6 or more since that is more fun and more challenging than greeting senior citizens or kids.
Feeling very pumped after a response from HB9, this sh*t rocks!
HI&EC count: 1
Max0r's week1 day1
Posted here: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=MaximusThePimp
But also I'll copy paste to this forum since that's the format too. Maximum exposure I say.........
Results
Today wasn't the best day for field results due to being at a friend's house overnight, and hanging out until going straight to work, which I got out of at 1:48 AM today.
Nonetheless, my smile/EC/hi (S/E/H>>SEH) tally is 2 HBs, and 9 others. Actually, I said high to more than that, maybe 3 HBs and 15 others, however **** was a little fuzzy, and my SEH's weren't of high quality. There's no practical use for me to inflate my stats.
Issues
Two issues came up. First, where I work, should I or shouldn't I do this exercise. I don't feel like I want to go full throttle at work. Well, if all I do is EC lock somebody who doesn't work there, this might cause a problem once in a while. However, if I EC lock, and quickly do a friendly greeting, that's FINE. Only problem is, what do I do when EC is from a large distance and I'm heading in a direction that will end up moving me past the person in the next several seconds? If I immediately greet them from afar, which will have to be done loudly, it will come across strange, like I was very intentionally greeting them as opposed to casually. If waiting till I was closer to them (while EC is locked) and THEN greeting, it still seems very intentional because I held EC that whole time prior to actually saying Hi or something like that. If I don't say anything at all, my locked EC, regardless of smile, would definately come across odd. Again, the main reason I'm concerning myself with that is I don't want to end up creeping out someone who is in the building where I work to the point where it might **** with my job.
When there are many people around, however, this isn't really a problem because I can just switch between people. Hell, it is even better if I have coworkers around, because I'll just EC lock them too, right in front of non-staff. This shows them that I'm just like that with everyone. This also builds social proof.
The second issue that came up was one of technique. I noticed the first few times I said hi, my voice was too high... higher than usual, as if I was trying to come off friendly and innocent or something. No good. I seem to have adjusted that properly.
The night's second to last and most interesting SEH
My most interesting and potentially useful SEH experience came soon before I got home, while I was physically and just sleep-wise tired as **** and just wanting to eat, write up my journal, surf DJ bootcamp ****, and go to sleep. Right when I was least prepared for it. An HB and guy, presumably boyfriend and girlfriend came into the grocery store. It was really late, so there was only one guy working a cash register and he was doing something else and wasn't there, so I was waiting and the cute couple is waiting right behind me. They are murmuring to each other words too soft for me to make out, and were holding hands.
As they came up behind me I turned around, and SEH'ed them. Got a weak echo response from the boyfriend, obviously not interested in dealing with ANYONE OTHER THAN THE GIRL, who seemed sufficiently interested in him not to give a **** about what I was doing Soft inaudible talk continues between the pair as I turn so my side is facing them and lean back against the thing you put groceries on that rolls them toward the register, look off into space and generally take up a lot of room. You might say this is posturing, but it really wasn't. I was just tired as **** and was not trying to stress anything, and just wanted to be as comfortable as possible until the guy got back there. Boyfriend begins to put arm around girlfriend, girlfriend faces away from me, boyfriend toward, they are in an embrace. So cute (mainly because she's cute, though not VERY cute... however, a women being sexually submissive, as she was being with him, becomes hotter).
Finally the guy who worked there (who I've had several conversations with up to to this point in time) got to the register. Unfortunately, the poor bastard, despite the fact that the girl was quite well posessed by another male right in front of him, proceeded to attempt AMOG on me. I asked him what he was up to, conversationally, when he got there. He just started saying ****. I asked him again. He didn't answer, and kept saying ****. He was more commanding with me and didn't respond to anything I said, but instead just kept making observations about me. He was moving in an unusually quick and rigid manner. It was obvious he was being a ****block, even though there was nothing to block. A competetive AFC. How cute. Trying to impress this female who was oblivious to him? Being tired as I was, I just became very unresponsive, said almost nothing, except a slow deep "yup" to "wow, you're hungry tonight, you got a sandwich" and "thank you" as I slowly picked up my bag and walked off. My act was basically tired, slow, casual, and subtlely unimpressed. I felt betrayed. I thought he was my friend. Damn faggot AFC, bro's before ho's, mother****er. Nah I don't have to hate him or be angry. I would have done the same thing a couple years ago. He's just at a different place than I am. I used to be a faggot AFC ****block AMOG woman impresser... by golly =p
Now that I look back, I could have opened conversation on the two lovebirds, by first turning my side toward them, NOT looking at them, and casually mentioning something like, "I wonder where my friend is... I hope he's not stocking the freezers and ****.... ha. Oh wait, I have an idea." turn my head toward them, "Quick, you come around and be the checker, girlfriend here can bag the grocieres. Just act naturally =)." or just turn my head toward them, "Ahh, a couple. That's so cute =)" and at any time randomly, "God I'm tired. I can't believe I'm still awake =)" Then when Mr. TURNS OUT TO BE AFC comes around to scan my ****, I could say, "Hey look at this pair of love birds. They're so into each other, isn't it cute? =)" or "Good thing you got here on time. We were just conspiring to scan the groceries ourselves and run...Yeah I don't want to go to jail =) Not for this =)" Note the casual, playful, and non-question-asking approach to interacting.
Conclusion
I ECed and greeted a bunch of people today, and also in a couple cases initiated some conversation at work. Also ECing friends more and initiating more interaction with my friend's dad. Still need lots of practice. Overall doing this **** wasn't hard, but I was only at half-throttle because I was at work and my SEH was generally of low quality. Any feedback, ideas, tips, criticisms, info on any of this **** I expounded on, please leave it for me as a comment or IM/e-mail/PM/post-reply me.
Posted here: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=MaximusThePimp
But also I'll copy paste to this forum since that's the format too. Maximum exposure I say.........
Results
Today wasn't the best day for field results due to being at a friend's house overnight, and hanging out until going straight to work, which I got out of at 1:48 AM today.
Nonetheless, my smile/EC/hi (S/E/H>>SEH) tally is 2 HBs, and 9 others. Actually, I said high to more than that, maybe 3 HBs and 15 others, however **** was a little fuzzy, and my SEH's weren't of high quality. There's no practical use for me to inflate my stats.
Issues
Two issues came up. First, where I work, should I or shouldn't I do this exercise. I don't feel like I want to go full throttle at work. Well, if all I do is EC lock somebody who doesn't work there, this might cause a problem once in a while. However, if I EC lock, and quickly do a friendly greeting, that's FINE. Only problem is, what do I do when EC is from a large distance and I'm heading in a direction that will end up moving me past the person in the next several seconds? If I immediately greet them from afar, which will have to be done loudly, it will come across strange, like I was very intentionally greeting them as opposed to casually. If waiting till I was closer to them (while EC is locked) and THEN greeting, it still seems very intentional because I held EC that whole time prior to actually saying Hi or something like that. If I don't say anything at all, my locked EC, regardless of smile, would definately come across odd. Again, the main reason I'm concerning myself with that is I don't want to end up creeping out someone who is in the building where I work to the point where it might **** with my job.
When there are many people around, however, this isn't really a problem because I can just switch between people. Hell, it is even better if I have coworkers around, because I'll just EC lock them too, right in front of non-staff. This shows them that I'm just like that with everyone. This also builds social proof.
The second issue that came up was one of technique. I noticed the first few times I said hi, my voice was too high... higher than usual, as if I was trying to come off friendly and innocent or something. No good. I seem to have adjusted that properly.
The night's second to last and most interesting SEH
My most interesting and potentially useful SEH experience came soon before I got home, while I was physically and just sleep-wise tired as **** and just wanting to eat, write up my journal, surf DJ bootcamp ****, and go to sleep. Right when I was least prepared for it. An HB and guy, presumably boyfriend and girlfriend came into the grocery store. It was really late, so there was only one guy working a cash register and he was doing something else and wasn't there, so I was waiting and the cute couple is waiting right behind me. They are murmuring to each other words too soft for me to make out, and were holding hands.
As they came up behind me I turned around, and SEH'ed them. Got a weak echo response from the boyfriend, obviously not interested in dealing with ANYONE OTHER THAN THE GIRL, who seemed sufficiently interested in him not to give a **** about what I was doing
Soft inaudible talk continues between the pair as I turn so my side is facing them and lean back against the thing you put groceries on that rolls them toward the register, look off into space and generally take up a lot of room. You might say this is posturing, but it really wasn't. I was just tired as **** and was not trying to stress anything, and just wanted to be as comfortable as possible until the guy got back there. Boyfriend begins to put arm around girlfriend, girlfriend faces away from me, boyfriend toward, they are in an embrace. So cute (mainly because she's cute, though not VERY cute... however, a women being sexually submissive, as she was being with him, becomes hotter).Finally the guy who worked there (who I've had several conversations with up to to this point in time) got to the register. Unfortunately, the poor bastard, despite the fact that the girl was quite well posessed by another male right in front of him, proceeded to attempt AMOG on me. I asked him what he was up to, conversationally, when he got there. He just started saying ****. I asked him again. He didn't answer, and kept saying ****. He was more commanding with me and didn't respond to anything I said, but instead just kept making observations about me. He was moving in an unusually quick and rigid manner. It was obvious he was being a ****block, even though there was nothing to block. A competetive AFC. How cute. Trying to impress this female who was oblivious to him? Being tired as I was, I just became very unresponsive, said almost nothing, except a slow deep "yup" to "wow, you're hungry tonight, you got a sandwich" and "thank you" as I slowly picked up my bag and walked off. My act was basically tired, slow, casual, and subtlely unimpressed. I felt betrayed. I thought he was my friend. Damn faggot AFC, bro's before ho's, mother****er. Nah I don't have to hate him or be angry. I would have done the same thing a couple years ago. He's just at a different place than I am. I used to be a faggot AFC ****block AMOG woman impresser... by golly =p
Now that I look back, I could have opened conversation on the two lovebirds, by first turning my side toward them, NOT looking at them, and casually mentioning something like, "I wonder where my friend is... I hope he's not stocking the freezers and ****.... ha. Oh wait, I have an idea." turn my head toward them, "Quick, you come around and be the checker, girlfriend here can bag the grocieres. Just act naturally =)." or just turn my head toward them, "Ahh, a couple. That's so cute =)" and at any time randomly, "God I'm tired. I can't believe I'm still awake =)" Then when Mr. TURNS OUT TO BE AFC comes around to scan my ****, I could say, "Hey look at this pair of love birds. They're so into each other, isn't it cute? =)" or "Good thing you got here on time. We were just conspiring to scan the groceries ourselves and run...Yeah I don't want to go to jail =) Not for this =)" Note the casual, playful, and non-question-asking approach to interacting.
Conclusion
I ECed and greeted a bunch of people today, and also in a couple cases initiated some conversation at work. Also ECing friends more and initiating more interaction with my friend's dad. Still need lots of practice. Overall doing this **** wasn't hard, but I was only at half-throttle because I was at work and my SEH was generally of low quality. Any feedback, ideas, tips, criticisms, info on any of this **** I expounded on, please leave it for me as a comment or IM/e-mail/PM/post-reply me.
Ever onward
Master Don Juan
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crazygecko
Hope the FAQ helps, I wrote it for you guys
Caldus
Great job! Look how many girls you are approaching!
MJ Fan
34 hi's! That's amazing! Keep the hi's coming. In the bootcamp literature it says to keep the hi's going into future weeks so don't stop.
How many did you say returned your greeting, was it half? That's not too bad. Imagine for a second that half of every girl you approached would give you her phone #. You would approach every HB in sight, wouldn't you? A 50 % ratio is a success in my opinion, keep it up.
kav
You experienced a confidence boost didn't you? What an awesome feeling!
everyone
If you get EC first from a girl/person then yes the're easy to "open" for a hi or whatever. But don't let their reaction stop you from taking initiative. You are in control.
My back is feeling slightly better today. I'm going to the movies this afternoon and hopefully I'll have a lot of hi's to report tomorrow.
I wish I could chat with you all. I'm really excited about everyone's progress!
Keep your power to yourself! Approach those girls and let em know your here!
Hope the FAQ helps, I wrote it for you guys
Caldus
Great job! Look how many girls you are approaching!
MJ Fan
34 hi's! That's amazing! Keep the hi's coming. In the bootcamp literature it says to keep the hi's going into future weeks so don't stop.
How many did you say returned your greeting, was it half? That's not too bad. Imagine for a second that half of every girl you approached would give you her phone #. You would approach every HB in sight, wouldn't you? A 50 % ratio is a success in my opinion, keep it up.
kav
You experienced a confidence boost didn't you? What an awesome feeling!
everyone
If you get EC first from a girl/person then yes the're easy to "open" for a hi or whatever. But don't let their reaction stop you from taking initiative. You are in control.
My back is feeling slightly better today. I'm going to the movies this afternoon and hopefully I'll have a lot of hi's to report tomorrow.
I wish I could chat with you all. I'm really excited about everyone's progress!
Keep your power to yourself! Approach those girls and let em know your here!
Mjfan12
Don Juan
Well, many gave me a little eye contact, but many didnt.
And when I said that I didnt get much eye contact yesterday, I meant like the other people only held EC for like a split second and then looked away.
I was hoping that they would hold it for at least 2 to 3 seconds.
The ones that didnt, usually were walking right towards me, but were like looking all over the place in the airs, on the ground, to the sides, etc.
Even if they didnt give me any eye contact I just said screw it, and I just said hi when they were close enough. Many ignored me, some said hi back, whatever.
Would I have gotten a better response with eye contact? Of course!
and may I have startled a few people? Probably!
But this excercise is for ME, and not them.
I couldn't care any less of what they thought of me, and thats's the point isn't it?
Learning not to care about what others think of you anymore?
I am not over this problem of caring about what others think of me by any means, but I felt great yesterday, and I'm sure that the more I go on, the less and less I will care until I stop caring completely.
When you stop caring, then you can do the more "advanced" things like cold approaches, group pickups, etc.
