Divorced man carries sign and protests marriage on road.

[TheMonkeyKing]

Lol I hear you, but I'm not even sure if this discussion is a full-fledged MGTOW discussion.

You have guys running around in their mother's basement, who never kissed a girl, saying they are a MGTOW. Then you have guys (like the one in this video), who have been screwed over by women legally, and are trying to EDUCATE men on the reality of today's market.

But of course, you'll have guys come on here that will say anybody who "discusses the market" is just a negative, bitter, fool. Because you know, apparently, we all live in a fvcking vacuum where LIFE is solely the result of our own individual/personal choices and the surrounding market forces have absolutely no influence over how our lives end up. Nope. It's all our personal choices and how "positive" we think.

Fvcking bullshyt.

For the last time, I'm not talking about the situation itself, I'm not talking about market forces or any other tenuous consideration you're coming up with.

I'm talking about the psychology of the reaction of this guy.

Listen to his words:
-"I thought I was going to be married happily ever after." (Disney dreamland level of complacency: god mode)
-"I paid her insurance/retirement fund because I thought it was for the both of us." (supplicating provider)
-"Marriage is a financially destructive force." (butthurt. people get financially screwed every day of the week, not just in divorce courts. Next time get a pre-nup)

Me, me, me, me, fcking me. Money. Me.

Guess what dude. Despite a couple of horn honks and high fives, the rest of the world DOES NOT GIVE A FLYING FCK about your failed marriage, the reasons for it, nor what happens to you after. He also talks about negative reactions he gets, which prove that his behaviour is not universally warranted.

It's a selfish world we live in; if you're not going to pick yourself up and sort your own life out, no one else is going to bother with you, least of all in a country like the United States.

Cool, he's still in the denial stage of the grief process. Deal with it how you do, join the picket line, whatever. Seriously, though, most people could not give fewer fcks, least of all women.

I know plenty of very happily married couples. Sure, maybe 50% of marriages do end in divorce. But that also means 50% don't. The guy married the wrong woman. He's identifying all of the things he did wrong, but taking none of the responsibility for it. Fair enough, he was married 20 years, which means it happened when blue pill beta-ism was probably at it's peak (1980's). This does mean that his situation SHOULD NOT be applicable to men these days because they should be savvy to it.

B!tching and whining isn't an 'education'. It's just spreading hate and crybaby attitude. To me (and many others) the guy just looks like a butthurt loser. If he really wanted to 'educate' people, he'd write a book or two on the subject, maybe try to compile a landmark court case.

I don't need to explain myself further. It is his own ignorance and complacency that got him in to the situation (at least in part), and it's his negative attitude that's keeping him there.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

A man attempting to spread the word about the reality of marriage does not make him a "butthurt loser".

And the issue is not whether you married the right or wrong woman.

The issue is that the way family law is enforced, is by it's nature, morally bankrupt.

And the country is full of men who were convinced that they married a "good" woman who would never do that to them. Then 20 years down the road, her hormones change, she swallows some EPL divorce fantasy Bullshiz, etc. Then the law allows her to azz rape him legally through threat of imprisonment if he doesn't comply.

-Augustus-

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

A man attempting to spread the word about the reality of marriage does not make him a "butthurt loser".

And the issue is not whether you married the right or wrong woman.

The issue is that the way family law is enforced, is by it's nature, morally bankrupt.

And the country is full of men who were convinced that they married a "good" woman who would never do that to them. Then 20 years down the road, her hormones change, she swallows some EPL divorce fantasy Bullshiz, etc. Then the law allows her to azz rape him legally through threat of imprisonment if he doesn't comply.

-Augustus-

US law enforcement and judicial systems are fcking retarded across the board any way; it's by no means limited to family law.

I'm not denying anyone their point of view. I think the guy has more than likely made his own bed to an extent, while the rest of you consider him a hero. It's no biggie. It's a difference of opinion and perspective is all.

I'm still yet to hear any divorcees from SS comment on their own behaviours within their own former marriages. Funny how a lot of the emo-charged tirades have ceased since I bought that up the other evening (see comment no. 29).

 

[Tenacity]

Listen to his words:
-"I thought I was going to be married happily ever after." (Disney dreamland level of complacency: god mode)
-"I paid her insurance/retirement fund because I thought it was for the both of us." (supplicating provider)

In a marriage this is what it's supposed to be man. You get married believing you are going to remain married until death and you share expenses/income/wealth because you are married.That's why the message should be DON'T get married. Don't share shyt.

I know plenty of very happily married couples. Sure, maybe 50% of marriages do end in divorce. But that also means 50% don't. The guy married the wrong woman.

Monkey continues to blame the GUY for everything. He married the wrong woman. He was a provider. He was beta. His dyck was too small. His favorite color wasn't the right color. He didn't dyck her down right. He didn't have enough swag juice. He worked too much. He worked too little. He didn't have a 6 pack. He didn't stir her emotions properly.

It's ALL the guy's fault and the guy should just realize it's ALL his fault, stop whining about it, take the Family Court dyck up the A.SS raw, and "move on" with his life.

US law enforcement and judicial systems are fcking retarded across the board any way; it's by no means limited to family law.

Translation: "Hey dude, just shut up, bend over, and take it up the a.ss like a man."

I'm still yet to hear any divorcees from SS comment on their own behaviours within their own former marriages. Funny how a lot of the emo-charged tirades have ceased since I bought that up the other evening (see comment no. 29).

Translation: "Hey guys, tell me (MonkeyKing) about your level of swag juice and how big your dyck was, because if you lacked swag juice and didn't have a 18 inch penis, then it's your fault your woman divorced you! It's your fault you lost it all in Family Court! So stop whining about it, go out there and find the "right woman" and this time make sure you remember my (MonkeyKing's) 101 swag juice techniques to make sure your wife doesn't divorce you."

 

[The Duke]

I'm still yet to hear any divorcees from SS comment on their own behaviours within their own former marriages. Funny how a lot of the emo-charged tirades have ceased since I bought that up the other evening (see comment no. 29).

Ask and you shall receive.......

I dated my highschool sweetheart all the way thru college. Got married 2yrs after college. Had 13 great years out of the 15 we were together. Things got bad the final year. She cheated on me for a few months, she finally moved out, and I filed for divorce.

Here are my behaviors that led to my demise:
-I got tired of her biatching about her work. So I quit listening.
-I didn’t focus on the relationship as much as I should have.
-I withdrew attention/affection. Became more like roommates.
-There were a few times I’d tell her how hot she was but was never all out putting her on a pedestal.
-There were a few times I didn’t lead as much as I should have. But I did lead 70% of the time.

So there is my part, I noticed you didn’t care for me to point out her bad behavior. Your viewpoint is one that focuses on the man making sure the ship stays upright. That’s where you are very very wrong.

Almost 10yrs and 50 women later, I can sit here and say nothing I did deserved being lied to, cheated on, nor stolen from. When I said “I do, til death do us part” I meant it. I thought she did to. It wasn’t Conditional. We both agreed to work out any problem that came up and did for many years.

We were the ideal couple that other couples admired. Everyone was shocked when they learned of our divorce including me. It even shocked her when I filed. We were upbeat, always going somewhere, lots of vacations, no kids, plenty of money, had lots of friends. I still haven’t met a girl that I could connect with like my exwife. And she hasn’t met a guy she could connect with like she did me either, although she is remarried.

So if you want to call me a butthurt beta just like the guy holding the sign out on the street go right ahead. I’m a pretty tough dude and can take a lot of pain but a divorce is one of the most stressful things a person will ever endure. I lost 7lbs the first 3 days, couldn’t eat, schit my pants in public, couldn’t focus at all at work for weeks. Spent an hour on the phone every day with my dad talking thru things for weeks.

So until you walk a few miles in my shoes or that guy holding the sign, GO FUHK YOURSELF you pompous narcissistic piece of schit. Your arrogance will come back to haunt you someday.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

In a marriage this is what it's supposed to be man. You get married believing you are going to remain married until death and you share expenses/income/wealth because you are married.That's why the message should be DON'T get married. Don't share shyt.



Monkey continues to blame the GUY for everything. He married the wrong woman. He was a provider. He was beta. His dyck was too small. His favorite color wasn't the right color. He didn't dyck her down right. He didn't have enough swag juice. He worked too much. He worked too little. He didn't have a 6 pack. He didn't stir her emotions properly.

It's ALL the guy's fault and the guy should just realize it's ALL his fault, stop whining about it, take the Family Court dyck up the A.SS raw, and "move on" with his life.



Translation: "Hey dude, just shut up, bend over, and take it up the a.ss like a man."



Translation: "Hey guys, tell me (MonkeyKing) about your level of swag juice and how big your dyck was, because if you lacked swag juice and didn't have a 18 inch penis, then it's your fault your woman divorced you! It's your fault you lost it all in Family Court! So stop whining about it, go out there and find the "right woman" and this time make sure you remember my (MonkeyKing's) 101 swag juice techniques to make sure your wife doesn't divorce you."

I do love our little chats. At least you have the nuts to stick around and debate, rather than throw a hissy and a couple of insults, then storm off in a huff like some others.

In a marriage this is what it's supposed to be man.

Disney Dreamland. That's the value of pseudo-Christian-Jewish society we live in. It's not women as a species that made divorce legal; it's faux-religious institutions. Get married, but don't be naive enough to believe it will definitely last forever, because nothing lasts forever.

That's why the message should be DON'T get married.

Wrong again. You can be married, but be sensible and realistic about life in general. You are so enraged by the story that you can't understand how butthurt you sound, playing in to the narrative. This kind of story is published for the reason to wind men up, just like campus rape stories are designed to wind women up - feminists versus MGTOWs set against each other by the media. Just like Christo-Jewish society, versus Islam. Whites versus blacks. Men versus women is no different.

Get. Fckn. Woke. Your outlook on life is far, far too simplistic.

Don't share shyt.

Wrong again. Share SOME of your sh!t. But keep a majority for yourself.

And at the same time, quite the pathetic, childish, all-or-nothing, black and white emo think-speak. It makes you sound far more simple than I know you really are.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

So until you walk a few miles in my shoes or that guy holding the sign, GO FUHK YOURSELF you pompous narcissistic piece of ****.

Calm the fck down, Howie. Enough with the fckn b!tching already. It just negates the value of your posts and makes you sound like a menstruating woman. I'll address the rest of your post, maybe, if you can start being a bit more fckn civil. Otherwise, you just prove my point that you probably were and apparently still are too emotional to deal an anonymous online conversation, let alone a life time of marriage. Your projecting like a professional.

 

[Tenacity]

Monkey....I think you are being facetious.....

Get married, but don't be naive enough to believe it will definitely last forever, because nothing lasts forever.

You can be married, but be sensible and realistic about life in general.

You aren't making any gawd damn sense Monkey. The PURPOSE of marriage is to commit to someone forever. That's what the contract is based on Monkey. If either party doesn't plan on committing to the other forever, through thick and thin, good or bad, good finances or bad finances, good days or bad days, etc., etc....then the contract shouldn't be signed.

In 2017, why anybody would sign a contract like that, I have no idea. It's damn near IMPOSSIBLE to hold onto said vows due to Men and Women no longer needing each other in 2017 for anything related to survival (even sex, you can easily get an escort online or use a variety of sex toys) and due to the fact you cannot PREDICT the type of person someone will be 3 years, 7 years, 10 years, etc., from now. There's absolutely no way you can marry someone in 2017 and PREDICT who they will be by 2022 and by 2027.

Calm the fck down, Howie. Enough with the fckn b!tching already.

Easy for you to say when you haven't been a.ss raped in Family Court, nor had to deal with the bullshyt that comes from signing a marriage contract.

 

[RangerMIke]

Don't close the thread, I will pull back on some of the aggressive curse words lol!!

But this discussion between me and Monkey is great because there's one side that continues to blame MEN for everything/anything that women do........whereas my side is seeking to hold both men and women accountable for the crap that happens in today's society (including divorce).

As long as women have the right to vote, and there is a minority of men willing to white knight and cuck for chicks... nothing is going to change. Men's rights activists are just wasting their time.

Look.... no one is going to hold women accountable for anything because women, by and large can not get ANYTHING accomplished with out men. It the script was flipped, and men were given the children after a divorce, and women had to pay child support.... they wouldn't work, with some exceptions, you would never see anything from her. They would find some dude will to trade sex for a food and a place to sleep.

If you didn't require a man to pay for women and their children... they would just go on government assistance... and men would end up paying for them anyway because men pay 68% of all taxes. Then you would have single moms screwing up a generation of children.... as what has been going on in the Urban Black community for 50 years. Most of the problems we have in US inner cities is what you get when there are no men and women are left in charge of households.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

I do love our little chats. At least you have the nuts to stick around and debate, rather than throw a hissy and a couple of insults, then storm off in a huff like some others.


Disney Dreamland. That's the value of pseudo-Christian-Jewish society we live in. It's not women as a species that made divorce legal; it's faux-religious institutions. Get married, but don't be naive enough to believe it will definitely last forever, because nothing lasts forever.


Wrong again. You can be married, but be sensible and realistic about life in general. You are so enraged by the story that you can't understand how butthurt you sound, playing in to the narrative. This kind of story is published for the reason to wind men up, just like campus rape stories are designed to wind women up - feminists versus MGTOWs set against each other by the media. Just like Christo-Jewish society, versus Islam. Whites versus blacks. Men versus women is no different.

Get. Fckn. Woke. Your outlook on life is far, far too simplistic.


Wrong again. Share SOME of your sh!t. But keep a majority for yourself.

And at the same time, quite the pathetic, childish, all-or-nothing, black and white emo think-speak. It makes you sound far more simple than I know you really are.

With regard to getting married but not being naive enough to believe it will last forever:

This is an interesting statement because it tells the truth about marriage today, a truth that more women have internalized than men have.

Many women today get married with this mindset. They have an agenda (biological clock is ticking, they want the status of marriage, etc). So they meet mr "good enough". And they convince themselves that they love him, they mouth the words "forever", but in their Lizard hindbrains, they have entered a potentially time based transaction to get their agenda filled.

But within the hindbrain they also realize that once the agenda is fulfilled they can eject from the marriage because that's what the law allows and there is no longer any stigma associated with divorce. Her friends will even support her for being "brave and true to her heart".

Women Instinctively realize this today going into the marriage. This knowledge is tucked away in a secret dark recess of her mind labeled "open if you want to GTFO"

-Augustus-

 

[RichardTheFrog]

With regard to getting married but not being naive enough to believe it will last forever:

This is an interesting statement because it tells the truth about marriage today, a truth that more women have internalized than men have.

Many women today get married with this mindset. They have an agenda (biological clock is ticking, they want the status of marriage, etc). So they meet mr "good enough". And they convince themselves that they love him, they mouth the words "forever", but in their Lizard hindbrains, they have entered a potentially time based transaction to get their agenda filled.

But within the hindbrain they also realize that once the agenda is fulfilled they can eject from the marriage because that's what the law allows and there is no longer any stigma associated with divorce. Her friends will even support her for being "brave and true to her heart".

Women Instinctively realize this today.

And many men do not.

-Augustus-

Don't forget the fact that she's financially rewarded for leaving.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

Truer words have never been spoken. I was talking with an honest female friend a few weeks ago about marriage. She was raging on about how someday she will have her Disney wedding etc.. even though she is in her mid 40s non desirable and single. I told her I would never be getting married. She asked why. I told her partly because 70+% of marriages end within 20 years and the only thing that would interest me about marriage would be the foreverness of it. She said nothing last forever and as long as she got a kid out of it and she was taken care of that's all that mattered to her. A majority of women 45 years old and below have a variation of this mindset they may not be open about it but get to know them well enough and it will come out.


Now if you want to get married guys go ahead I'm not one to tell another man what to do. But with 70% of marriages ending within 20 years that's 3.5 out of 5 women. As stated another way I've heard on here would you skydive or jump out of a plane if 70% of the parachutes did not open?

Yeah you may get lucky or even skill your way into one of the 1.5 out of 5 women that make it pasts 20 years good luck with that. If you have lived enough of life I mean decades and pay attention to these kinds of things. You will notice a lot more of the people you know are single moms, deadbeat dads, sucker fish dads, and only a handful of happy unions that made it 20 + years and still going. It's a dream a fantasy to believe a woman is going to put up with you forever hell you can barely stand yourself at certain times.

 

[RichardTheFrog]

Truer words have never been spoken. I was talking with an honest female friend a few weeks ago about marriage. She was raging on about how someday she will have her Disney wedding etc.. even though she is in her mid 40s non desirable and single. I told her I would never be getting married. She asked why. I told her partly because 70+% of marriages end within 20 years and the only thing that would interest me about marriage would be the foreverness of it. She said nothing last forever and as long as she got a kid out of it and she was taken care of that's all that mattered to her. A majority of women 45 years old and below have a variation of this mindset they may not be open about it but get to know them well enough and it will come out.


Now if you want to get married guys go ahead I'm not one to tell another man what to do. But with 70% of marriages ending within 20 years that's 3.5 out of 5 women. As stated another way I've heard on here would you skydive or jump out of a plane if 70% of the parachutes did not open?

Yeah you may get lucky or even skill your way into one of the 1.5 out of 5 women that make it pasts 20 years good luck with that. If you have lived enough of life I mean decades and pay attention to these kinds of things. You will notice a lot more of the people you know are single moms, deadbeat dads, sucker fish dads, and only a handful of happy unions that made it 20 + years and still going. It's a dream a fantasy to believe a woman is going to put up with you forever hell you can barely stand yourself at certain times.

Why is she putting up with me and not the other way around?

Also, what scares me more is that I heard prenuptials get thrown out routinely.

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

Women are earning more and more, though.

The real problem is that she gets custody by default. Making men disposable in the family.

Actually remember spending weekends at my dad's after my parents divorced. I could tell my old man had mixed emotions about it. Good to see your kids, but the conditions are a piss take. Basically being a baby-sitter for peak times.

Hell, I've seen friends go through worse with women that decide on and off that they can or can't see their kids. I'd literally just walk away from that situation. And I have before with one stupid b*tch before it got that far.

Women have guys by the balls when it comes to children.

Another scenario to consider with regard to children:

What if your wife becomes mentally unstable/emotionally abusive (like my ex did). Do you divorce and leave your kids at the mercy of their whacked out mom 50% or more of the time? Or do you stick it out until they are older so you can shield your children from her mental abuse (which is what I did, have never regretted it).

-Augustus-

 

[Augustus_McCrae]

I personally was close to someone that went through that.

If you got out the other side even relatively healthy and with well balanced kids, then you did fvcking amazing.

I'd be lying if I told you those weren't some dark days.

But doing great now. Younger daughter thriving, older daughter, some issues, but mostly of her own making.

And both of them have since thanked me and recognized that I was always there for them.

-Augustus-

 

[El Payaso]

No fault divorce is a big cause of this in America. You guys can all thank Richard Nixon for that. A supposed conservative to boot.

 

[shesabranchswinger]

Why is she putting up with me and not the other way around?

Also, what scares me more is that I heard prenuptials get thrown out routinely.

I was not talking about you specifically more in general terms. In reality you are both putting up with each other's crap from time to time in a LTR has been my experience. I was just trying to make a point that there were and are times and moments in my life where I don't even like myself so of course people, friends and lovers are going to have those moments about themselves and you and me.

I would never personally intentionally and knowingly put the US justice system in a position to take me to the cleaners by getting married. The government is already in many other aspects of my life where they can and do take away other freedoms and property of mine.

I'm not aware of prenup being thrown out but if you never need one by never getting married or moving a woman in, joint bank accounts etc.. then you don't need a prenup.

My view is if she is not willing to be with me forever without ever getting married then I'm not the love of her life and she has other motives on her mind then us against the word. That's just how I approach it and it has weeded out the leaches, tics, soul suckers and branch swingers for the most part

Whenever I'm confronted with my view point by others or myself I always tell myself if I was wrong then they would still be on my team. But their not they are all gone everyone of them. Ether by my choice or theirs doesn't matter their still not by my side. So I just enjoy them when they are and find new ones when their not.

 

[Tenacity]

As long as women have the right to vote, and there is a minority of men willing to white knight and cuck for chicks... nothing is going to change. Men's rights activists are just wasting their time..

I agree and disagree.

- Injustice in society will surely continue if the people victimized don't ban together and protest it. Perhaps the reason men have not banned together to protest, is the very notion/mentality that it will be a waste of time. In my opinion, if the banning together, protests, marches, etc., at least get NATIONAL news/cable news coverage, then that right there will be a step in the right direction because the issues will become national conversation.

- I think all of us who are 18 - 40 need to realize we are not operating in our Father's or Grandfather's Dating Market. Things have changed, these changes can be viewed as good or bad overall, depending upon how one sees them.

- Today, if you are an attractive man or attractive woman, you have MORE ACCESS to the opposite sex than ever before. Not only do you have the traditional mediums of cold-approaches, clubs, bars, and meeting women in "person", but you have the large online dating and social media platforms. This allows you to always have a rotation of different people to date, fvck, etc., so the concept of "being alone" is few and far between.

- On top of this, women are able to generate income like a man can (thus, she doesn't need a man), and a man is able to maintain his household (due to advancements in technology, thus, he doesn't need a woman). Men and Women don't NEED each other anymore.......all relationships today are based solely on entertainment and convenience. IF the relationship becomes too much of an inconvenience for any reason, one of the parties could leave. Period.

- These two market changes make it flat out STUPID to make vows to one person forever. There's just too many market forces that are going to come against that. And if you happen to find your "soul mate" and marry her in 2017, it DOES NOT MEAN your soul mate can't turn into the devil from hell by 2025 and vice versa...you could be her unicorn and turn into a piece of shyt by 2025.