Direct Game Vs Indirect Game

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DonJoseCantosie said:
Its better to overanalyze and get further than to not analyze and be stuck.


From my experience, they've responded very well....just that they're jailbait. Did the guys actually DIRECT approach them effectively? Most guys can't do it for a sh1t. I'm not joking.

It's better to be zen like and not analyze than it is to over think things and get stuck.


OP: You have to use both in most cases. You have to be able to walk up to a woman and introduce yourself, kino a little bit, and then (indirect) walk away and let her simmer on what she just experienced with you.
 

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DonJoseCantosie said:
:) thats the biggest problem, ur waiting for IOIs when going indirect. Sometimes the IOIs won't ever come unless u express urs first.
I agree 100%...STOP READING IOIs and IODs...The only IOI is her still standing there talking, I've done some STUFF and chicks wouldn't be cool with it but would still be standing there.

The best examples that hit this HOME isn't even when your going for the makeout, it's when your escalating and chicks call you out for being touchy and you STILL physically escalate despite her saying that, and she has YET to leave...I've had chicks say "You touch too much" and then I'd grab them in by the waist smiling and they LOVED IT.

SHE IS STILL STANDING THERE SHE WANTS YOU!!!
 
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Here is how I view it:

If you lack balls then you come in from a side angle such as indirect.


If your man enough you step up straight in her face dead on her as in direct.


It just depends on how much man juice you packin. It doesn't depend on the girl cause I don't care what her situation is I am gonna do it straight in her face instead of trying to be sneaky and weak and creep in.

Other guys will say indirect isn't weak but they are deluded. If your a man you don't have to pretend shizznit just to say hello to a female and get to know her.

The thing that kills me is that 9 times out of 10 she has done saw right through your bs anyways and knows exactly what you want...to bone her.

If symps only knew what was going through her mind when your spitting out some side ways lines to get her to talk to you...
 

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SharinganUser said:
It's better to be zen like and not analyze than it is to over think things and get stuck.


OP: You have to use both in most cases. You have to be able to walk up to a woman and introduce yourself, kino a little bit, and then (indirect) walk away and let her simmer on what she just experienced with you.
Where in the world did u get this? Be zen like and not analyze? If u didn't analyze, u wouldn't even be aware of anything. Atleast if u overanalyze, ur still aware...u just need to tone it down. C'mon son...u should know that.

Indirectly walk away? Why is there a need? Just get her number and walk away. Why try to be sneaky even about that? But the simmering, i do agree with.

I agree 100%...STOP READING IOIs and IODs...The only IOI is her still standing there talking, I've done some STUFF and chicks wouldn't be cool with it but would still be standing there.

The best examples that hit this HOME isn't even when your going for the makeout, it's when your escalating and chicks call you out for being touchy and you STILL physically escalate despite her saying that, and she has YET to leave...I've had chicks say "You touch too much" and then I'd grab them in by the waist smiling and they LOVED IT.

SHE IS STILL STANDING THERE SHE WANTS YOU!!!
Snowplowman! ABSOLUTELY! +1 rep for this. Yea, if a girl isn't flat out declining, for example: "Thats so forward" or "Thats too aggressive" or as you said, "You touch me too much"...its all social conditioning bull**** thats getting out of her logical brain. Her emotional self is loving every minute of it. Look at her closely when she says these things.

Here is how I view it:

If you lack balls then you come in from a side angle such as indirect.


If your man enough you step up straight in her face dead on her as in direct.
Thank You Player supreme! +1 too. Ur the b1tch if u have to look at her from the side. How can she take u seriously?

It just depends on how much man juice you packin. It doesn't depend on the girl cause I don't care what her situation is I am gonna do it straight in her face instead of trying to be sneaky and weak and creep in.
It can come off creepier since ur vibe seems to be hiding something. But thats the worse case.

Other guys will say indirect isn't weak but they are deluded. If your a man you don't have to pretend shizznit just to say hello to a female and get to know her.
I mean, some guys who are good with indirect...i find it a good method if u stick to it and it fits them. But the guys who try to justify some of the negative, stupid aspects of it or praise the bull****....they are just digging themselves.

The thing that kills me is that 9 times out of 10 she has done saw right through your bs anyways and knows exactly what you want...to bone her.

If symps only knew what was going through her mind when your spitting out some side ways lines to get her to talk to you...
Exactly, except some women might be naive to know why ur there. But the girls who respond well to indirect, still liked the guy...even if they know why he's there. It wasn't the method, it was him. I found it pointless to be indirect anymore, as quite a bit of the time, women will know why ur there... Why not be proud of that and put it in the clear? Women respect men who do this more than a guy who has to fly under the radar.
 

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I'm mostly indirect, but I do add a few 'direct lines' in my conversation to let the girl know what I'm all about. I work in the mall at a clothing store so women are everywhere and I am paid to talk to them. Here's an example of indirect with a little direct.

A girl walks into my work the other day and I notice her looking at our selection of sweatpants hanging on our wall. I walk over.

Danny: Hey what can I help you find? (Always use open ended questions that she can't answer with just a 'yes' or 'no')

Girl: Nothing really, just browsing around for some warm sweatpants.

Danny: (Seizing the opportunity to be funny and Grabs a pair of the skankiest looking underwear he could find)

Danny: I bet these would be nice.

Girl: haha, but they wouldn't be very warm!

Danny: Well you see, I don't know if you ever worn underwear before. But they go underneath the sweatpants that keep you warm.

Girl: oooh thanks for the tip.

Danny: Are you wearing underwear now? (A little more direct)

Girl: What!? (not the response i was hoping for)

Danny: I said go try on this underwear now, I bet they look great on you!

Girl: (Picks out a pair of sweat pants) Alright, I'll try them on with these.

Danny: Great, have fun.

She goes and tries on the clothes and a few minutes later she comes out of the fitting room. I was at another part of the store at this point and she actually comes to find me.

Girl: You were right I actually really liked these. (Showing me the panties)

Danny: I knew you would, I would have liked to see them on you. (Direct)

Danny: You know just to make sure you should spend your money on them. (Indirect)

Anyway I'm sick of typing this all out but you get the idea, I like to mix direct with indirect stuff. I did end up getting the number.
 

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DonJoseCantosie said:
Where in the world did u get this? Be zen like and not analyze? If u didn't analyze, u wouldn't even be aware of anything. Atleast if u overanalyze, ur still aware...u just need to tone it down. C'mon son...u should know that.

Indirectly walk away? Why is there a need? Just get her number and walk away. Why try to be sneaky even about that? But the simmering, i do agree with.

I guess I should clariffy my point. My point is that the problem with newbies is that before an approach they will get nervous and try to compensate by making a "over-analyzing" the situation instead of relaxing and being natural. For example, there are way to many threads on here about the proper way to approach a woman, when all you really need to do is smile, show confidence and say "hey my name is SharinganUser, just thought I'd say hi. Or something like that.

You are trying to attract a woman, not win a tournament of chess masters.

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Indirectly walk away? Why is there a need? Just get her number and walk away. Why try to be sneaky even about that? But the simmering, i do agree with.
Why? It's not to be sneaky, it's to show value and even social proof. And to let her simmer. But you don't do it for those reasons, you do it because you are busy, want to talk to other people, ect...
 

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" thats the biggest problem, ur waiting for IOIs when going indirect. Sometimes the IOIs won't ever come unless u express urs first."

Well, it depends on what you consider what IOI's and IOD's are. If a girl is lsitening, it's an IOI. If she starts asking you questions, then that's an IOI. Remember, its an indicator that shes interested, not attracted. I think some of us are thinking that IOI's are BIG hints, but in actuality they are just subtle hints that she is at least interested.

Now if course everyone has different game, and you should do what works for you best. But personally, I've always supported indirect game.

"But Sandow, u will never see her IOI's without Direct game?" Well, its also a great way to get rejected right off the bat and kill your chances. Example: Day after day I watch all these desperate losers at bars get shot down left and right because they are coming off way too strong!!" Its hilarious these guys don't have a clue!

Don't be that guy. Ask her something different, and just listen. Trust me it'll be refreshing for her to meet someone that isn't trying to instantly get in her pants. Remember, girls do not want to feel easy or like a slut. She already has her anti-slut defense up. Once she starts warming up to you, transition into direct. You're in. Start pulling the trigger. What most idiots do ,especially drunk ones, is that they pull the trigger way too early.

Special circumstance. Drunk girls. Honestly, you don't need any game to get these girls. If your decent looking and don't do anything retarded, then direct game works best on these girls. Seek and destroy with these babes. haha like tonight :D
 

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I guess we all agree that balance is key. Don't be a creeper that only uses indirect game, and don't be an oblivious douchebag that online direct approaches.
 

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Direct: Ideal when your value level is already equal or a bit higher (through social value/well grooming/good physique/other superficial elements)

Indirect: When your inner game is not really that tight on a particular day, or when you are not sure if you really like her, or when you want to be a bit more sure/consistent about your results.

Truth is, direct or indirect, if you see something you like, and you are not really a douche at heart, she will notice that, so just go for what you want, DOMINATE, and try your best. If you go for what you want and just dominate, you will feel like a man, and regardless of what she says, you will feel good.

The key to attraction is to make HER invest, make HER pursue you, make HER comply and qualify herself, which is why you can do whatever you feel is enough to make yourself worthy enough in her eyes.

Sometimes a simple and positive opening vibe is enough to set up a strong high value frame.
 

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Sandow said:
" thats the biggest problem, ur waiting for IOIs when going indirect. Sometimes the IOIs won't ever come unless u express urs first."

Well, it depends on what you consider what IOI's and IOD's are. If a girl is lsitening, it's an IOI. If she starts asking you questions, then that's an IOI. Remember, its an indicator that shes interested, not attracted. I think some of us are thinking that IOI's are BIG hints, but in actuality they are just subtle hints that she is at least interested.
You got a good point...but strong IOI is more of another way to say Indicators of Attraction.....we can't wait till they show Indicators of Attraction, we assume she's attracted and keep going rather than waiting. Her being there is a sign of attraction if she knows u like her.

Now if course everyone has different game, and you should do what works for you best. But personally, I've always supported indirect game.
Absolutely. Use what works :)

"But Sandow, u will never see her IOI's without Direct game?" Well, its also a great way to get rejected right off the bat and kill your chances. Example: Day after day I watch all these desperate losers at bars get shot down left and right because they are coming off way too strong!!" Its hilarious these guys don't have a clue!
Nah, with indirect u can still see Indicators of Attraction from her...even if u didn't state that ur into her. Its just that there will be times where the girl won't show it flat out and that u just assume she is still attracted. But most Indirect people will wait so long for it to come, that they are wasting time to where all they had to do was not even care, and keep going into letting her know the true intent.

With the loser guys....thats the thing they come from a frame of being a loser and do not even understand being direct. Just cuz their forward and drunk, doesn't mean thats direct game. Direct being a great way to get rejected off the bat and kill ur chances? Nah, Direct is such a powerful way of seduction that alot of the time women won't reject u off the bat, because u come from a frame of power. The ones who u don't get with, shouldn't even be of interest. Either they're in a dedicated relationship, not right for u, or just don't want to have sex that night.

Ur choosing her. Ur qualifying her based on opener. Sure, direct opens less, because ur putting all on the line from the opening, but it closes more :). Girls can sense this and they want a guy they can prove their attractiveness too :)...having the confidence to go up to a woman like this....hits a switch in her, it says alot about u. What man has that kind of confidence? Their reactions(typically a giggle) is proof of this.

Don't be that guy. Ask her something different, and just listen. Trust me it'll be refreshing for her to meet someone that isn't trying to instantly get in her pants. Remember, girls do not want to feel easy or like a slut. She already has her anti-slut defense up. Once she starts warming up to you, transition into direct. You're in. Start pulling the trigger. What most idiots do ,especially drunk ones, is that they pull the trigger way too early.
I have to agree here, even if i find indirect kinda pointless overall.... indirect does have its good points. For one, ur not boring the girl...especially if it aint a stupid indirect routine, but a routine of ur own. It can prevent her from having shields at times, and ****blocking won't happen as often...plus u can talk about really interesting stuff girls are into. But closing...now thats where it gets MUCH HARDER for indirect...cuz of having to eventually be sexual with her...which that sexual tension will take MUCH LONGER to build than say a guy who was direct with her, which had things be a bit more sexual faster and the flow kept going.

But in terms of drunk guys....thats the thing, those drunk idiots don't do direct game. They're just going up to them drunk and being forward. Direct game would them be sober, let them know a statement of desire and intent and the girl can take it or leave it, while being dominant. Also, most guys at clubs open girls in an indirect way/don't really open at all/just trying to grind with them/buy them a drink. So its not like indirect is anything new. Just cause a girl doesn't want to feel easy, doesn't mean u have to fly under the radar. When direct, yea..she might put up a lil more resistence but since u assume she's attracted to u, just plow as if it doesn't mean anything.

Special circumstance. Drunk girls. Honestly, you don't need any game to get these girls. If your decent looking and don't do anything retarded, then direct game works best on these girls. Seek and destroy with these babes. haha like tonight :D
Are u sure? Direct Game usually works best on the hottest who aren't as drunk ;-) Now Cavemaning...i agree lol
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Direct game is the reason why jerks and *******s do well with the ladies while the so called "nice guys" wonder why. I'm a recovering nice guy myself. I'd wonder why girls would stick with *******s who treated them like **** while there were plenty of nice guys who were as attractive as the guys they were dating. Chances are, the nice guys were using indirect game (and never transitioning to direct) while the *******s were going direct from the get go.

The reason these jerks do well with the ladies is because they don't pvssy foot around when trying to get with girls. They let their intentions be known from the start and they're not afraid to be men. Contrary to what they may say, women are attracted to men with MASCULINE qualities. It is very masculine to take control of the encounter and go right after what you want instead of leaving the ball in her court.

For all the femi-Nazi banter we hear these days, most women still want to be lead. It's up to the man to take the lead because very few women will.
 

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According to Mystery direct approach is bad, because it doesnt build enough comfort.

No comfort means that even if girl is attracted, she will be more likely to give last minute resistance, have buyers remorse, etc
 

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daygameguy said:
Direct: Ideal when your value level is already equal or a bit higher (through social value/well grooming/good physique/other superficial elements)

Indirect: When your inner game is not really that tight on a particular day, or when you are not sure if you really like her, or when you want to be a bit more sure/consistent about your results.

Truth is, direct or indirect, if you see something you like, and you are not really a douche at heart, she will notice that, so just go for what you want, DOMINATE, and try your best. If you go for what you want and just dominate, you will feel like a man, and regardless of what she says, you will feel good.

The key to attraction is to make HER invest, make HER pursue you, make HER comply and qualify herself, which is why you can do whatever you feel is enough to make yourself worthy enough in her eyes.

Sometimes a simple and positive opening vibe is enough to set up a strong high value frame.

Nice....Good DG
 

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According to Mystery direct approach is bad, because it doesnt build enough comfort.

No comfort means that even if girl is attracted, she will be more likely to give last minute resistance, have buyers remorse, etc

lol @ Mystery and his "opinion openers", if your inner game is tight enough it doesn't matter. I've gone direct and actually had more success then indirect as of recent
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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Lexington said:
Direct game is the reason why jerks and *******s do well with the ladies while the so called "nice guys" wonder why. I'm a recovering nice guy myself. I'd wonder why girls would stick with *******s who treated them like **** while there were plenty of nice guys who were as attractive as the guys they were dating. Chances are, the nice guys were using indirect game (and never transitioning to direct) while the *******s were going direct from the get go.
Plus don't forget, these *******s and jerks might not even be *******s. They just had a good frame, didn't give girls power, and the girls called them *******s and/or jerks for that matter. Those jerks prolly are friendly guys, just in the dating game....they're strong.

The reason these jerks do well with the ladies is because they don't pvssy foot around when trying to get with girls. They let their intentions be known from the start and they're not afraid to be men. Contrary to what they may say, women are attracted to men with MASCULINE qualities. It is very masculine to take control of the encounter and go right after what you want instead of leaving the ball in her court.
Thats the benefit of being more direct, def being into with those masculine qualities in ourselves.

For all the femi-Nazi banter we hear these days, most women still want to be lead. It's up to the man to take the lead because very few women will.
And as a result of women taking the lead, it causes them to be b1tchy and even more insecure than before. lol.
 

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Solomon said:
lol @ Mystery and his "opinion openers", if your inner game is tight enough it doesn't matter. I've gone direct and actually had more success then indirect as of recent
Mystery calls those incidents "fools' mates".

According to him the main problem is that with direct game the girl doesnt have to prove her value to you since you already by opening the set basically announce that you wanna bang her and she wont have to work for it.
 

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LOL @ Mystery's comment. Some of his jargon is ridiculous...lol. With Direct Game, you are choosing her. You've told her that you're into her physically, Its to let her know that she's got to show more....even if ur prolly only looking for an ONS. That's the qualification off the bat. She's having to prove her value to you. U doing what u did on opener and then talking to her assuming that she'll like u, it says a lot about you...having the confidence to go for what u want. What guy this day and age can just freely go up to a girl in such a studly and confident manner? Girls want to be pursued. With indirect, ur trying to prove ur value to her before she proves it to you....
 

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LOL @ Mystery's comment. Some of his jargon is ridiculous...lol. With Direct Game, you are choosing her. You've told her that you're into her physically, Its to let her know that she's got to show more....even if ur prolly only looking for an ONS. That's the qualification off the bat. She's having to prove her value to you. U doing what u did on opener and then talking to her assuming that she'll like u, it says a lot about you...having the confidence to go for what u want. What guy this day and age can just freely go up to a girl in such a studly and confident manner? Girls want to be pursued. With indirect, ur trying to prove ur value to her before she proves it to you....

Basically.....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cI-UYELOMmE
^^Just don't holla at chicks like this lame.....
 

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