Diary of a Seducer: Macallik's Approach Journal

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FR: 2 Forward 4 Day 2: A brief-boxer moment w/ Aries

Alright, so to recap, after Aries cancelled plans with me, I decided that I was going to take was to rebuild attraction and then take it from there. It actually worked well too. We texted back and forth for the better part of yesterday and I asked questions to get to know her and at the same time decide what is the best method of attack. Out of nowhere, at like 9pm she texts me saying she wants to me to come see her. After I leave my friends house I get direction and go to pick her up around 11pm.

Upon picking her up I ask her what kinda girl she is: a tomboy kinda girl or a dolled up, "I can't get my hair wet" kind of girl. She replies "the 1st one" hesitantly and then asks why. I tell her we are going for a midnight swim with a smile. She says she didn't bring a bathing suit and I tell her its cool I didn't bring one either and we take off for the beach.

We finally find a beach worth staying at and we sit down under a streetlight on the beach and talk for a bit. It was a cool atmosphere, real quiet and hardly anyone on the beach. I had her sitting in between my legs and she was playing with my legs and intertwining her hands. She said something about masturbation while we were chilling and of course if you bring up sex around me as a girl, im swinging for the fence. I did a little bit more aggressive kino later on in the night but not much during this stage. I think I would have fared well if I tried something right there but I was too focused on going swimming and it was the first thing that popped into my mind during lulls in the convo. Since we got to the beach she has told me that she doesn't want to swim and only agreed to do so before because she thought I was joking around.

So we make a comprise and she takes her pants off so she just has on her underwear but she keeps her zip up sweatshirt and shirt on and she wades into the water a little. She had a cute butt. Me on the other hand I dive head first into the water coz I don't give a damn. I am there in my boxers.

The thing is tho, while we are in the water, all i think about is the potential pvssy and fvcking this chick on the beach so my d!ck is rock hard. And when you are pitching a tent in wet boxers... well... you may as well be naked, coz without the belt to hide your d!ck or jeans to tuck it to the side you are pretty much there in all of your glory. I wasn't ashamed or bashful but I get the feeling that the girl was a little uncomfortable, she didn't expect to see that on the first date, hahaha.

So after like 5-10 minutes in the water she gets out and has a text from her sister telling her she needs to come home and clean up her mess. You ever see the tv shows where the girl tells a friend to call her if the date is going terrible so they can get out of it? LOL. That was going through my head so I was like fvck it, lemme see the text and she showed it to me. I still think it was fake but it is not my role to call her out on bullsh!t and I slipped by doing that in the first place. So I don't try and argue on the validity of the text. I try and convince her to stay a little longer to which she says she can't. I kiss her a little and she isn't pushing me away but she is sorta leaning out of the kiss so that I have to tippy-toe to stay in it. Thats no fun.

I pull away from the kiss and we talk and the walk to my ride and I drive her home. I told her I'll call her today but I'm really not gonna. If she reinitiates with me I'll try and get some again but other than that, meh. The age difference is only 3 years but it is evident. I can't see me doing much more than sleeping with this girl. On the brightside, I think I finally figured out an effective way to counter flaking. I always knew it was due to lack of rapport/attraction but somehow it never dawned on me to spike a girl's attraction level and then go for the date again.
 

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FR: Another one bites the dust

Over the weekend I went to a party in a hotel ballroom. It was pretty much the same as a regular club in terms of music et al, but because it was in a classy venue they charged $40. Ouch. That hurt my pockets, but in my experiences the more expensive the cover, the more girls that end up in there and tonight was no different. Tons of girls and I didn't know where to start. After a while I see a girl all by herself and she is my type. She is skinny, not anorexic skinny, but skinny like me, and has a cute face. Instantly I start talking myself out of it but my feet start walking towards her so I go in anyways. I go into autopilot and use a line that has had positive success in the past:

"Hi. Usually in my experience, when a cute girl by herself looking around, she is waiting for her boyfriend. Are you any different?"

And she breaks into this huuuuge smile and says no, I'm single. I felt like I could have number closed her right there, her smile was so big. The conversation is light, but I'm feeling ****y so I'm hitting my marks.

Elle: So how old are you
M: <shocked look> A little personal don't you think? A true lady never reveals her age
Elle: hahaha
M: how old are you?
Elle: 18
M: Oh a youngin huh. Just started clubbing and all
Elle: yea

<snip>

M: Aite can i get ya number <whips out phone>
Elle: er... (she hesitates but i we both KNOW she is giving it up)
M: Haha look I know your new to clubbing and all but this is how it goes: the cute guy comes in and swoops you off your feet and you give him your number. Don't worry after a couple more years clubbing experience you'll get this whole thing down
Elle: Haha <types number into phone>
M: Alright I gotta go back to my friend, I'll ttyl <hug>

The whole approach was done in less than about 4 minutes. I've been building the rapport on the phone for 1-2 days and its going well. I'm gonna treat her better than Aries because she seems like potential plate material. I might even be seen in public with her :eek:


Speaking of Aries, Things with her are pretty much dead. I can't be bothered to put in the effort with her and its showing as a result. She flaked on our last hang out coz she didn't like the venue and I didn't care that she didn't like the venue. I didn't even wanna put in the effort to call her out on flaking. She texted me at one in the morning the other day to chat and I told her "not to call me this late unless it is a booty call" and went sleep. I think its just a matter of time til she stops calling me and I'm really indifferent. If she comes around she better be putting out tho...
 

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Women and Casual Sex Theory
Alright based on my current results and results I've had in the past. Women are different than men when it comes to casual sex (for me at least). When it comes to me, I sees something, and I wants to fvck. I don't need your name and most times I don't need to ever see you again. However, In my experiences, women may be attracted to you but looks are never enough. You have to build even more attraction/rapport just to you can get into the casual sex stage. Perhaps that is why women are notoriously hard to only have casual sex with... because when they submit to casual sex, they already are attracted enough to date you. I am thinking it is different for guys that are really, really, ridiculously good looking but for the average good looking guy like me, it isn't panning out. It is frustrating because if i just want sex with a girl, I find myself refusing to put in the effort for a low quality palte. I just wanna get my rocks off and give them a lift back to their place. This is what happened with Aries. Perhaps my problem lies because I kinda turn my game on and off instead of just having it on all the time. If I was always ready then I would not feel like I was putting in effort, I would just be myself. Once again, the answer to my problem seems to be better rapport/attraction...




Anyways, I went to the park for like 4 hours the other day. I finished up George Orwell's 1984. Great political book on the inequality of socialism. While I was reading in the park I saw my old high school crush, Jackie, entering the park with her sister. She sat about 20 yards away but she ended up sitting next to me to catch up for a couple minutes. It wasn't one of those situations where I ask myself 'What did I see in her???" coz she's still a cutie and has her mind right. She graduated from university but is making some money to go back and do her graduates. I haven't been infatuated with a girl like I used to be infatuated with her, lol.

Later on there was a woman who sat down next to me and she was talking in that way people talk when they don't mind being talked to... kind of like voicing their opinions aloud. She was Cougar material. Not 'cover of a magazine' sexy but definietly fvckable. Anyways I initiate asking her what she thinks of my hairstyle as a businesswoman then segue to work and me looking for a job then segue to education and going to school and then segue to something else I can't remember before she had to leave because her lunch break was over. At least a half an hour conversation like it was nothing. I often convince myself that I'll freeze up but as long as I don't panic conversations are easy. Just jumping from topic to relevant topic. I liked the randomness of it though, two strangers meeting and talkin about randomness. I want more approaches like this.
 

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Firstly dude well done on mixing things up a bit and i c u done day game a bit 2, looks like u like it and it will just get better everytime. But $40 ouch lol,in a sense u get what u pay for. I personally just go to free clubs because theres chicks in there, but if u got money to increase the ratio of guys to girls why not.

"M: Haha look I know your new to clubbing and all but this is how it goes: the cute guy comes in and swoops you off your feet and you give him your number. Don't worry after a couple more years clubbing experience you'll get this whole thing down"

i liked that line, basically u turned tables on her and brought her into ur world making it look like she did it wrong. I have recently just learned of the effects of changing them to suit u rather than trying to go in all angles to which ur targert.
 

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rushing dude 123 said:
Firstly dude well done on mixing things up a bit and i c u done day game a bit 2, looks like u like it and it will just get better everytime. But $40 ouch lol,in a sense u get what u pay for. I personally just go to free clubs because theres chicks in there, but if u got money to increase the ratio of guys to girls why not.
Yea man. At the end of the day it's just money but I really don't like spending it, especially just to meet women. I live in a small town though so a lot of these girls just stay home except for big nights so I'm desperate to meet new chicks by any means necessary

i liked that line, basically u turned tables on her and brought her into ur world making it look like she did it wrong. I have recently just learned of the effects of changing them to suit u rather than trying to go in all angles to which ur targert.
Thanks man. I saw how good the ****iness was going in your journal so i figured i should try stepping it up a bit.
 

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Day 2: Trying to Elle-vate my game

Things with Elle have been going decently. We have been textin back and forth on the phone and something in my head told me I should be calling her (sosuave perhaps) so I told her I would call her and she said she was tired or something so back to texting I went.

I found out some thing about her that I can use to get her attracted to me but nothing major. We get to talkin about her last date and how she hasn't been on one in a year so hanging out with her appears to be a shoe in. She tells me how she is looking forward to hanging out and wants to do it soon so we schedule a hangout and i'm stoked.

On the day of the first date, apparently I text her an hour before to make sure she has transportation and Elle tells me that she does but she is hanging out with her cousin. I tell her "okay have fun" and make other plans. She texts me saying to come hang out with her and her cousin but I aint going on a date with a 5th wheel so I don't even reply to that.

I go clubbing and have an uneventful night on the town. A couple days later I hit her up with a text message just shooting the sh!t and she apologizes about the mishap. I told her its no biggie, just let me know beforehand if things might not work out and she agrees. We text back and forth and decide to hang out at the park in a couple days.

So the day of the next hang out approaches and she texts me when she gets home from work that she is gettin ready to hang out but then about half an hour later she texts me asking if I really want to hang out coz the park is so far away. I'm thinking in my head that this girl can duck a big fat sick... but being the understanding gentleman I am, i type "lol it isn't that far away" and so she says "okay I'm leaving my house now" *sigh* What was the point of that?

Women... <sigh>

Oh and for some reason I was REALLY anxious leading up to it, I think because I had it in my mind that I wanted to do more than just fvck this chick and started imagining hanging out with her and romanticizing sh!t. Well we finally meet up and initially I thought things might be a little awkward but after the first words came out, things went swimmingly.

The conversation flowed easily and I thought it was due to my extremely amazing seduction skills at first, by the end of the date I was thinking maybe it is coz this girl just doesn't shut the hell up. On the date I found out that her mother smells funny sometimes, the intricacies of her shoe collection, what she had for lunch, what she plans on having for lunch and plenty of other (useless) facts. Of course, I just went with the flow and talked about what the topic was, guiding it towards something more interesting when appropriate but the voice in my head was tempted to ask if she wanted a quarter so she can call someone who cares. During the date I used lines such as "Enough about you, lets talk about me" or "Alright give met the Cliffnotes version of this story" and my favorite: "B1tch this best not be another one of your long ass stories". Alright, that last one is not the exact wording but you get the idea.

Eventually I went in for the kiss and she kissed back for a second or two before she smiled and said "you better stop" and so after a couple minutes I go in for the kiss again and get the same response. Meh. I tried once more like 15-20 minutes later and got the same sh!t and I was like alright it's time to end this date.

M: Alright it's getting late, lets start making our way back (while looking at phone and realizes it's only 8:30 pm)
Elle: Okay

So we talk a little while longer and then part ways. I haven't spoken to her really in a couple days. She is not super high quality in terms of plates but she is a decent quality. She has her mind right and would be better if she just shut up every once and a while. Imma try and spin her but she is not #1 on the charts even though she is the only current girl being spun.

Hey Rushing Dude, if you are reading this, I noticed that you have gotten a good bit of action on some of the dates you have been on. What is your key to getting past the high school stages into the heavy duty making out? I think I could have used better kino. She was laying in my lap and I had my hands playing with her stomach but I wasn't really touching her to get her hot n heavy.
 

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I told u i would leave give u some ideas from time to time and i felt the key for me is to trust ur gutt and take some risks at the some time. Don't b a horn dog, but if u feel moment where u want to rub stomach rub it. Then slowly edge ur hand towards more sexual parts, don't touch them straight away, maybe give her thigh a hard rub and rub higher and higher harder and harder. If u feel u want to do something do it, because ur instict is telling u that and the reason it is telling u that at that precise moment, because it probablly will work from what ur sub concious can sense from her body language. Just do basic steps of kino, touch arm, she don't know where ur going take her hand and just lead her to that point, hold her waist from behind and jus whisper something in her ear. she will get use to u and just b a man, shes on a date and shes digging u and ur digging her = kiss.

Once u get kiss it will b lot easy to escalate sexually, key element in kissing. Always, always b the first to pull a way, like just kiss above her top lip before u pull a way or my favourite just bite her bottom lip softly and slowly yank it bit towards u and let go slowly. I remember i use to b the last to pull away (not only kissing) and dam it made me come across so desperate, but one girl i decided to always pull away first and dam right that girl kept coming back for more.
 

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thanks for the advice as usual Rushing Dude. I have probably been acting a little needy with my kino so I'll work on that and give it a whirl the next time I get a date.






Alright so lets pick up where I left off in my last post... with Elle. I go to arrange a 2nd 'date' because I have no jobs and no plates and she seems down at first. I tell her pick a day and she says she doesn't know which day. I pick a day and she says she doesn't like making plans and sticking to them and she might be busy but she will call me back and let me know. (Red flags anyone?) I tell her okay hit me back when you find out whether you can hang out with me or not...

...and she doesn't.

My interest level gets a temporary spike because all of a sudden she is unattainable or uninterested but I've been here before so I know in the back of my head that my interest will bottom out worse than the current economy after we hang out, so my response is to not respond to her lack of a response.

About a week later, I spot her at the club. I smile and motion her over to come talk with me. She looks me dead in the eye, gives me this quasi-smile and turns away! Wow. The embarassing part was that it was like 3-4 girls in between us and so they like look at me and then look at her response and then look back at me with this surprised look on my face.

About thirty seconds later I deleted her number out of my phone. I personally have tried to stop deleting numbers for petty stuff but that was just blatant disrespect or disregard. I can handle some flaking here and there but ignoring me completely, no thanks. Maybe if she was higher quality I could give her a little room to work with but other than that, it's bye bye.

So I'm back to zero plates yet again folks. The knowledge I got from this experience comes in the form of a question I am asking myself. I think part of the problem may lie with the image I have been portraying. In my experiences and the experiences of those around me, the guy who actively tries to get the girl in a relationship finishes last. I have tried to be the exact opposite as a result, constantly acting as if I have multiple plates spinning, not ready for a relationship, primarily trying to get laid, etc. Sometimes I feel like I need to show the plate that I have other plates so that she becomes more interested in me...

I thought about how things would be if the roles were reversed and I think i see an err in my thinking. Lets say I am meet a girl and I pick up negative traits or her ideas don't match my view of the world. When this happens I can just bail ship and find a new girl, right. However, on the opposite side, lets say I meet a girl and I start to fall for her. Things are going great and THEN I don't realize that we really don't have much in common but I have already invested time and emotion into the relationship so I can either come to terms with us not having much in common or I can continue to create a false image in my head. This would likely all be subconscious; a defense mechanism, but it makes sense.

The point I am trying to make is that perhaps in the beginning of a relationship it is more advantageous to be malleable and hide the traits that might hinder you until they are extremely attracted. By then I will know what it is she really wants and whether I am willing to undertake it.
 

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Operation: Get More Social
(also known as 'Operation Hot Mother')

I've reached that quarter of a year mark in the journal and I can't complain with what I've had so far but I know I can do better. I haven't got any of the sweet, nasty, gushy stuff yet but I've done far better than I ever have in my hometown and gettin down for botching a couple b!tches it feels good. However as rushing dude once pointed out, it seems like I am bumping into the same three girls everywhere I go and looking back it really is true. It's the symptoms of a small town but also someone stuck in the same routine.

This leads me to my new, additional goal of creating a larger social group and trying new things. I'm gonna form more relationships outside of the clubbing scene, try some new sh!t out and share my experiences back to yall. Think of me as your consummate Carrie Bradshaw... okay well that seems a little gay. How about you think of me as your own Hank Moody minus the child prodigy daughter.

First on the agenda is getting a job. My past job references are shot so I am going to do some community service and ask that one of the charities - or whatever the fvck they are called - writes me a glowing reccomendation and then *booyah* I got a job and then *kaazam* I'm a millionaire. Or at least *pow* I have enough money to keep up my lifestyle of looking fresh to death.


I'm going to tackle all this, and hopefully find time to play my newly acquired, used but only $20 copy of Resistance: Fall of Man. Seacrest out. (no homo)
 

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That was quick

Got a call this morning that woke me up from my sleep at 8:30. I'm thinking who has the balls to call the unemployed before 11:00 on a Tuesday morning and it is none other than my old boss. Called me, said he is stretched at work and has work for me fulltime. I feel like that girl who got dumped and then the significant other comes crawling back when times get hard. I gave it my best shot when we were together and so my confidence in the job is shot after being let go. Whatever, I start tomorrow.

Already planning on getting a gym membership and copping some clothes as a pre-emptive strike against the new money I haven't quite earned yet, but for now I'm gonna finish watching season 4 of The Office that I rented and enjoy my last weekday without work for a likely long time.
 

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Hey all. I'm still doin the journal, I just temporarily lost the internet and haven't done anything worth reporting. Will update with newsworthy stuff when it happens. Seacrest out
 

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Last weekend I was talking to a fellow journal writer, rushingdude, on messenger on tightening up the slack and he suggested that I give the bootcamp a shot. I think it'll work coz it sets out goals which can give me that extra oomph I get when I am trying to reach a target.

So, I'm still gonna report my regular breakdown of interactions in the normal way but I will also be covering some bootcamp stuff as well in less detail.

I started week 1 on Monday and this is how it went:
Monday: 4 hi's (First day jitters)
Tuesday: 5 hi's (Well its better than four)
Wednesday: 17 hi's (hit a decent stride)
Thursday: 9 Hi's
Friday: 3 Hi's (had the wrong mindset)
Saturday: 15 Hi's (Bounced back nicely to finish Week 1 with a day to spare)

Initially I just looked for people to say hi to during my half-hour lunchbreak but from Wednesday onwards I made a bigger effort like strolling the streets after I knocked off or taking the long route wherever I was going to get some more Hi's in.

So I have a week and a day to finish Week 2 (initiating conversation with stangers). Also I'm also gonna try and get 50 hi's every week because it should be a part of my everyday style
 

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Week 2

Conversation 1:
Went to a charity walk in my efforts to be more social. Some obese lady stands next to me and we get to talking about the race and how she was supposed to run it. I just care about making the 2 minute mark so I change the subject and go with the flow. It was like a 5-6 minute convo where she tells me where she works and all this information I really didn't want to know. My friend next to me was like "wtf?"

She left and came back later but my friend was talking to me as well so I just gave her one word answer and she left.

Conversation 2/3:
Doing a landscaping job @ a school. In between teaching the foreign guy I work with phrases so he sounds like Borat, I strike up a conversation with the janitor. We shoot the sh!t about the job I'm doing and what a mess it is and then I ask him about his job a little. Since another one of his janitor buddies jumped in the convo, I'm counting that as two conversations... and what b!tch???

Conversation 4:
Some lady walks by and comments on the job. Normally I would just smile and go back to work but since I'm trying to converse I grab it and run with it. I made her laugh and she gave me a playful/flirty punch which was kinda scary coz she was huuuge and unattractive. I went back to work and she went about her business eventually and then she came back again and I talked to her for another minute or so.


So four out of 10 complete. I haven't had tons of opportunity during the week. I need to find more ways to meet people even if I'm working 10hrs a day. If not I'm gonna have to be the chattiest monster ever this halloween
 

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Conersation 5
A guy who works inside the building I was working at comes out for a cigarrete break. I ask him what he does. Talk on an off for probably 2-3 minutes

Conversation 6
Went out clubbin with my friend who had his sister and her older friends I never met. Talked to the two friends on and off for the night. I'll only count it as one this time though :)

Conversation 7
Ride was getting ready to leave. Opened a girl with "Usually in my experience when I see a cute girl alone she is waiting for her boyfriend" didn't go as well as the previous times I used this opener but went alright. She ejected after like 2-3 minutes.


Three more convos and things will start to get interesting...
 

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Conversation 8
Talked to this drunk chick in the club. Swagger was on point here but didn't get the digits to try and follow up.
 

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I'm baaaaack...

I got (re)laid off from my job thanks to the global economic downturn. I got tons of free time on my hand although I've been working on my DJ'ing (disc jockey) here of late. I think I'll post a mix in this thread sooner or later. Yesterday I got Bioshock and Fifa 2009 for PS3 so I need to not get addicted now that I'm jobless.

Slacked @ the end of week 2 but I'm just gonna call it a week and move to week 3. Probably gonna try the APOC opener this wknd for sh!ts n giggles.

Also, I was talking to Aries for a little bit again but its pretty much over now. We talked for like 20 mins on the phone the other day, she mentions sexual stuff and all, but she doesn't respond to all my texts, she ignores my questions and she didn't come thru when i gave her the opportunity tonite. I let her get away with more bullsh!t than normal because she seemed about to put out and I wanted to show to myself that I can put my pride aside in order to reach the goal I wanted but it is harder than I thought... at least it is a lot harder when you have no other options.

I want to be able to stick in there until I get what I want but at the same time I think not calling girls out on their bullsh!t seems to get me further away from the pvssy than calling them out on it. No mas of that... I'll try again when I get a plethora of options though

Will be back with some kinda report soon. Pce
 

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ayo macallik

question for you
When you in a club, and lets say its a bunch of white women, do you switch up openers? do you use your swagger a bit more (****y ****t) or do you hit them up on some "im the fun guy type vibe"?

let me know man, the APOC opener I'm down for that, but I need to be in that mindset

Goodstuff
 

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Dude don't give up i know its hard, but u got to push urself. Think about improving and not ur goal. Basically keep doing sets to improve to reach ur goal, than rather thinking ok 3 my sets. Don't stop aiming to improve till u finish ur task.

U got what it takes and ur at a great level, but if u never push ur boundarys u will never get better. Its like working muscle, u work to overload, take more than u can and tear that muscle up, then ur body will build that muscle back again and guess what that muscle is much stronger than before.

We can use ur ego has a relationship to the muscle.

Other than that great work on doing the bootcamp, taking that step forward u shud b proud of urself, not many people have completed the bootcamp i can think of only 2 who have done it properlly. It wud b quite a task but has a very big reward. It will change u and u will b a totally different guy, much more stronger experienced and confident. Probs boost ur game 100-1000 fold.
 

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Solomon. What up man, I was gonna be King Solomon for halloween with the words 'let's go 1/2 on a baby' but I figured no one would get it. Anyways we talked via pm about your question. Oh and I ended up I chickening out of the APOC opener over the weekend, no biggie, I'll try it sooner or later.

Rushing Dude, thanks for the motivational words and nice to see you on the boards every now n then. I've been more relaxed lately, but you are right, gotta keep reestablishing those boundaries




I've been putting work in with the turntables (beatmatching is a beyoootch) but I'm slowly making progress. i still need to fine tune my ears to hear the beats slipping and adjust accordingly.

Also, I know some of you like the detailed, story-esque reports but for the time being, I'm just trying to drum out the bootcamp quickly. The reports are a little bare but bear with me. It will get better, trust me ;)

Week 3
Conversation 1
Being that I am jobless, I have been going to the local community college to read and entertain myself. I was in the little dance studio gettin funky to some music and a girl walks in. I recovered nicely after freezing up when she walked in the room. She was there for an aerobics class which was starting shortly so we talked briefly. Her teacher was like 50 yrs old in a catsuit with a headband on :\

Conversation 2
A girl in the club, we made eye contact and I smiled at her a couple times and she came over and hugged me but I barely got to talk to her for she ejected. Then she came back and I danced with her and she ejected again. Then I see her later on and go
M: Hey can I steal you from your friends for a second.
Chick: Mmmm

but I 'grab' her (for lack of a better word) and start walking but she just stands there... Ooookay...?

Conversation 3
Some chick starts cheering me on when I do some of the older dance moves, and we talk and start having a little dance off and then she hangs around me a bit. I wouldn't say I was hitting on her though, I could have been more forward definitely.

Conversation 4
Went to the unemployment office to get a job, the chick was flirty but she is head and shoulders above the girls I go after. It's not that I'm not insecure or anything, she is literally head and shoulders above the girls I date, like 6'5 or something, a WNBA stunt double
 
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