Desperation will nuke your chances

[Pandora]

I was talking to a fat female co worker. Her face was a damn 9/10 but her body was bad. This girl still went on plenty of dates with guys. She also had plenty of sexual options.

She was telling me stories of how guys would text her super needy stuff. One guy freaked out because she wasn't into him. Another guy got super weird and clingy too early.

The common theme is that these guys would get frazzled and lose their cool when she didn't reciprocate the same level of romantic interest.

DONT EVER act like she effects you. Play it super indifferent young men. This took me 30+ yrs to truly understand. You will be surprised how many men freak out even over a fat chick.

Indifference won't get you the girl but a lack of indifference will totally destroy ANY chance you may have had.

Plus being needy shows mental health issues.

 

[kavi]

The girl wants you to validate her. Your validation cannot be real if you are desperate and needy. It always has to be about her and not about you.

You wanna see the girl as someone you care about want her to be happy. What she wants is really a guy who maybe lets say a leader of a group/community, and he is making her feel good because he wants her in his group. You have to act like you are that guy.

To validate her you have to be above and not need anything from her. Her response or lack of should not affect you, nor should you care to much about her opinion as a validation of you, but you can care about her opinion of stuff other than yourself because you care about her and what she thinks.

 

[Pandora]

The girl wants you to validate her. Your validation cannot be real if you are desperate and needy. It always has to be about her and not about you.

You wanna see the girl as someone you care about want her to be happy. What she wants is really a guy who maybe lets say a leader of a group/community, and he is making her feel good because he wants her in his group. You have to act like you are that guy.

To validate her you have to be above and not need anything from her. Her response or lack of should not affect you, nor should you care to much about her opinion as a validation of you, but you can care about her opinion of stuff other than yourself because you care about her and what she thinks.

This is it 100%

 

[kavi]

When it comes to txts do not ask questions looking for a response.

"Hey. Was really nice meeting you yesterday, I thought you were really cool. Speak soon."

Is Alpha

"Hey. Was really nice meeting you yesterday. I thought you were really cool. How was your day?"

Is Beta and needy.

The second one is Beta and needy because now you have given her the power to validate you by responding. Further, if she likes you she will feel like she needs to respond out of respect but then she needs to take the time and effort to write a response. You have put her above you by giving her the power to validate you so try to word your txtx such that it does not show disrespect if there is no response. This is by making statements and not asking questions.

 

[RickTheToad]

Kavi IMO both those are beta especially after a first date or even after a 2nd. The whole tone of it is feminine to me. Now high interest? Yea probably could say anything but young guys should be indifferent enough for her to reach out first 80% of the time.
Exactly what OP is saying. You CANT pretend to not give a fck but if you do in the early stages coach yourself through it.
"Saying nice meeting you" in womaneze
Is saying I cant wait to see you again.

Going to have to disagree. Asking how someone's day is not beta or weak. Where do you get this crap?

 

[kavi]

Going to have to disagree. Asking how someone's day is not beta or weak. Where do you get this crap?

Its not Beta if you know shes gonna respond and shes already responded to you. I shud have been clearer.

But guys TRYING to get responses from women via text is weak and beta. So if you ask "How was your day?" and she dont respond, you are gonna feel bad because you have been disrespected. If you simply dont ask then she does not have that power to disrespect you.

These days women know how much power they have and they know you want a response to the text. So in a way you are just helping her out by not asking, cos she dont want to have that power over you to disrespect you with no response, cos she doesnt want to be the one to validate.

 

[kavi]

Kavi IMO both those are beta especially after a first date or even after a 2nd. The whole tone of it is feminine to me. Now high interest? Yea probably could say anything but young guys should be indifferent enough for her to reach out first 80% of the time.
Exactly what OP is saying. You CANT pretend to not give a fck but if you do in the early stages coach yourself through it.
"Saying nice meeting you" in womaneze
Is saying I cant wait to see you again.

Yeah not exactly in those words. You can go anyway you want, friendly, aggressive, sexual, thats up to you and your interaction with her. This is not after a date, that should be somewhat more stronger I suppose, but these simple ones maybe after a short cold-approach or whatever.

The tone thing depends on how you present yourself obviously, I was just talking about the point of making statements rather than making asking questoins.

 

[RickTheToad]

Context dude. Context.
Understanding how a girl is "feeling" your words is vital. Your thinking logically like a man.
Is typical. Experience
Thats were I get that crap.

Your free to disagree. You are also free to be wrong.

Literally dated hundreds of females, never had a negative response to how's your day going or how are you doing? So, you must be meeting some really hard nosed b!tches..

 

[RickTheToad]

80/20 is the golden rule. Im just letting you know frome experience especially for those using OLD. After date 1 she reaches out first. 0 exceptions.
By date 4 she should be chasing you.

As far as Rick calling it crap. Do this.
Message your GF/Wife the above texts daily, or even 3 times a week. Keep doing it over and over and see were that gets you.
Be a fun experiment. Maybe @RickTheToad could write us an essay on it.
The relationship is the woman's work. It starts from day 1.
Women dont read your texts. she feels them.
Pook put this way. You dont talk to girls you express feelings.
Silence is a good place to start.

Keep following Stringpuller's advice, and you'll be just like him.. He's the only one pulling his own string on his skin flute.

 

[RickTheToad]

Its not Beta if you know shes gonna respond and shes already responded to you. I shud have been clearer.

But guys TRYING to get responses from women via text is weak and beta. So if you ask "How was your day?" and she dont respond, you are gonna feel bad because you have been disrespected. If you simply dont ask then she does not have that power to disrespect you.

These days women know how much power they have and they know you want a response to the text. So in a way you are just helping her out by not asking, cos she dont want to have that power over you to disrespect you with no response, cos she doesnt want to be the one to validate.

Agreed. I usually only asked it after they asked me. Although, I would say hey it's Rick from so and so, and then take it from there. It was easier on the phone as you just call and talk. That seems ancient right now.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I was talking to a fat female co worker. Her face was a damn 9/10 but her body was bad. This girl still went on plenty of dates with guys. She also had plenty of sexual options.

She was telling me stories of how guys would text her super needy stuff. One guy freaked out because she wasn't into him. Another guy got super weird and clingy too early.

The common theme is that these guys would get frazzled and lose their cool when she didn't reciprocate the same level of romantic interest.

DONT EVER act like she effects you. Play it super indifferent young men. This took me 30+ yrs to truly understand. You will be surprised how many men freak out even over a fat chick.

Indifference won't get you the girl but a lack of indifference will totally destroy ANY chance you may have had.

Plus being needy shows mental health issues.

No offense but if she was fat her face wasn't anything close to a 9/10.

 

[kavi]

Sure Rick. He would be fortunate too turn out like me.
I make my own path from what works by way of RP and whats working in the field. Not in a theory. The only flute being played here is the mental masterbation
flute.
If you knew anything about women. (Attractive women that is) they can sniff desperation out through all those cute little text messages asking how her day is going and all that crap. Its the precursor to the Male Girlfriend

FACTS

But what do you think about this?

Say you meet a woman, cold approach, or meet somethere and get number. She may like you and have some positive feelings from that experience. Then these little interspersed messages every few days, once a week, or whatever just builds comfort and reminds her of you and maintains those feelings she had of you. After a bit of time you call and set up a date and she maybe more receptive because she realises "hey I havent seen this guy for weeks but still like him so it must be something" and that is cos you sent those txts and that made her feel the thing between you guys was real.

If you dont txt she might feel you dont care, maybe she forgets you, the feelings fade, and then you trying to set up the date the comfort level and even the IL will be lower.

It can come off as desperate if not done right but if she liked you she will appreciate it and not think your desperate instead it will validate her having feelings for you and liking you at the beginning. Often times a women likes a guy and has feelings only for them to fade away and she dont want to feel that she was wrong to feel that way and it became nothing so you need to validate her liking you and giving you her number and having feelings for you.

And this is why Im saying in these situations its better not to ask questions but make statements. Cos making statements you are not asking for a response ie validation so it is not desperate but if you are trying to get a response then it can come off weak.

 

[RickTheToad]

Sure Rick. He would be fortunate too turn out like me.
I make my own path from what works by way of RP and whats working in the field. Not in a theory. The only flute being played here is the mental masterbation
flute.
If you knew anything about women. (Attractive women that is) they can sniff desperation out through all those cute little text messages asking how her day is going and all that crap. Its the precursor to the Male Girlfriend

FACTS

Cool story dude.

 

[biggoal]

No offense but if she was fat her face wasn't anything close to a 9/10.

Had this on old recently. Girl looked 7 to 7.5 cute face little on the big bone side but didnt look overweight really. However her recent tik tok video she texted me she was like 20lbs heavier and have flabby arms compared to her old pics. So i told her i was busy. She started hounding me like crazy cause i ghost cause she was much fatter than her old pics. From the sounds of her she gets this a lot cause of her current weight when guys see shes fatter.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Had this on old recently. Girl looked 7 to 7.5 cute face little on the big bone side but didnt look overweight really. However her recent tik tok video she texted me she was like 20lbs heavier and have flabby arms compared to her old pics. So i told her i was busy. She started hounding me like crazy cause i ghost cause she was much fatter than her old pics. From the sounds of her she gets this a lot cause of her current weight when guys see shes fatter.

This is one reason I like busty women. She might be fatter in person, but her boobs will be bigger too. Small-chested women can't pull this off.

 

[biggoal]

This is one reason I like busty women. She might be fatter in person, but her boobs will be bigger too. Small-chested women can't pull this off.

She was fat though. Why do women still have pandemic weight with gyms being open and restaurants open so no need for fast food. Is omicron and excuse for not using a gym? Unless the work from home scam they eat more being home all day.

 

[RickTheToad]

Flutes are woodwinds

His preverbal flute is his penis, not an actual flute.

Skin flute

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[RickTheToad]

Nice try Ricky. Not going to work bro.
Lets just agree to disagree.

It's all good. We all learn from each other; eventually.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

She was fat though. Why do women still have pandemic weight with gyms being open and restaurants open so no need for fast food. Is omicron and excuse for not using a gym? Unless the work from home scam they eat more being home all day.

Women love excuses. Even more so than d1ck

 

[mrgoodstuff]

No offense but if she was fat her face wasn't anything close to a 9/10.

It look like a pigs face?