Desperation will nuke your chances

[RickTheToad]

But overall women from the wealthier places like the Northeast, and out west like LA tend to take care of themselves more, less obese. From guys I've talked to who have visited LA they all tell me the women and men are less obese and more fit compared to Florida.

I imagine they're a bit snobbish though, especially when it comes to $$$.

I'm from St. Louis and even though MO is known as a hick state I will say the women, at least in the metro area of St. Louis are in MUCH better shape up there. Go to the gym and overall just better shape.

Not sure about DC the city. I suspect most live outside of DC and work there due to the high crime and uber high rent and housing cost in DC. DC is probably a pretty transient city with many of the decent women working for the government or lobbyist and firms. They probably are very snobbish and hang mostly with the elites in DC. Meaning you gotta be in the clique. I would think DC would be a terrible place for dating unless you have a great job which gives status with politicians. Like if you had a run of the mill decent job or a job in an unrelated field it would be hard to fit in.

Outside of K-Street and the capital police protected buildings it's a crime infested sh!t hole with no money. Unless Congress gives DC money to improve the area, it will remain a sh!t hole. Fit girl or average girl to overweight girl, you'd be surprised of the attitude on some of these females. Pro females are all about their degrees and think they're top sh!t because they have a JD, MBA or PHD. All that means is they have a sh!t load of school debt.

One would agree that Israeli females tend to stay in shape due to mostly the military conscription they have for all citizens. Here's what I read on the news today. Disgusting.

Shay Zanco Is the Israeli Model Changing the Shape of the Industry

The rising star doesn’t want to just tick a box.

www.vogue.com

I waive the white flag with the body positivity crap...

Rant over.

 

[biggoal]

Outside of K-Street and the capital police protected buildings it's a crime infested sh!t hole with no money. Unless Congress gives DC money to improve the area, it will remain a sh!t hole. Fit girl or average girl to overweight girl, you'd be surprised of the attitude on some of these females. Pro females are all about their degrees and think they're top sh!t because they have a JD, MBA or PHD. All that means is they have a sh!t load of school debt.

One would agree that Israeli females tend to stay in shape due to mostly the military conscription they have for all citizens. Here's what I read on the news today. Disgusting.

Shay Zanco Is the Israeli Model Changing the Shape of the Industry

The rising star doesn’t want to just tick a box.

www.vogue.com

I waive the white flag with the body positivity crap...

Rant over.

I agree. Except these "career" women professionals tend to be the better looking of women though which is the downside.

The non educated ones tend to be fatter, trashier, tatted, etc.

These career women use sites like match and have 2 pages of qualifications and demands.
Which is why theyre on there cause they have too high of demands.

 

[hardboiled85]

If you reach out first 8/10 times you have blown your chance with the hot girls.

If that blows your chance you were better off without her, as she was always only going to waste more of your time and her interest in you was low - she is doing you a favor.

 

[Pandora]

Outside of K-Street and the capital police protected buildings it's a crime infested sh!t hole with no money. Unless Congress gives DC money to improve the area, it will remain a sh!t hole. Fit girl or average girl to overweight girl, you'd be surprised of the attitude on some of these females. Pro females are all about their degrees and think they're top sh!t because they have a JD, MBA or PHD. All that means is they have a sh!t load of school debt.

Exactly. This is pretty much DC. DC is basically one big who can suck off the tit of the govt competition. The govt is sucking off the tit of the taxpayers. Theres alot of make believe jobs out here solely because of tax money.

 

[RickTheToad]

Exactly. This is pretty much DC. DC is basically one big who can suck off the tit of the govt competition. The govt is sucking off the tit of the taxpayers. Theres alot of make believe jobs out here solely because of tax money.

Especially for the people who have a masters in basket weaving.. A very competitive field.

 

[GreatHornedOwl]

What's feminine is expecting the woman to reach out after the date. We are the men, it's our job to pursue. We lead, they follow. If you don't reach out at some point after a first date, they're going to assume you're not interested. Don't make this more complicated than it needs to be.

 

[Bokanovsky]

No. if you had date 1. Let it simmer. Give her time to reach out. Let her talk. If she doesn't. That is your answer.
Guys get ghosted because you gave her a reason to.

"If you want to" <---- think about what you are stating here.

If she wants to, she will hit you up. The time spent of meeting up with her the first time already has this "theme" (2nd date) already implied. No need to even say it.
Thats a guy "who gets it" as the girls like to cry about.
A few gems in this thread

This approach is wrong, IMO. It assumes that most women are confident, have no insecurities and are “go getters”. The vast majority of women are NOT like that. Many (perhaps even most) women are too insecure to reach out after the first date, even if they really like you. They would rather spend days wondering if you’re going to contact them again then do it themselves. Their egos are very fragile. I would have missed out on SO many great opportunities if I followed the mantra of “let her chase me after the first date”.

 

[derby1]

Going to have to disagree. Asking how someone's day is not beta or weak. Where do you get this crap?

modern women interpret everything as beta and weak

Stringpuller has a point.

I misinterpreted something a girl said about the sunset "i thought she wanted to watch the sunset with me from an abandoned castle"

I agreed it was cool and a nice idea.

she apparently hadnt meant that, but she thought my agreement was cute and she had a good laugh with her mate

 

[derby1]

What's feminine is expecting the woman to reach out after the date.

this is 12th in the "Book of NO NO NO"

Ive arranged logistics, pursued and arranged the date..most likely paid about 80% of it as well.

she either messages and at the very least thanks me

or she never hears from me again.

you are the reason we have 2's telling is "work for da booty"

 

[RickTheToad]

modern women interpret everything as beta and weak

Stringpuller has a point.

I misinterpreted something a girl said about the sunset "i thought she wanted to watch the sunset with me from an abandoned castle"

I agreed it was cool and a nice idea.

she apparently hadnt meant that, but she thought my agreement was cute and she had a good laugh with her mate

I think, you guys kill some of your chances by over-analysis paralysis.

 

[Striker_93]

Everyone on here just overthinks and mentally masturbates unnecessarily.

Learn to just be yourself and let your natural personality do all the work.

Interest level and attraction over Everything else, if she's highly interested it doesn't matter what you do or say, if she's not then it also doesn't matter what you do or say, she just ain't feeling you......

All these rules and techniques are ridiculous and I personally in real life don't know any "slayers" who actually do the things talked about here lol.

Example, the woman I'm currently fvcking/hanging with now, we text everyday, literally, everyday, granted she does majority of the initiating but it's not like "she's losing attraction because your texting to much" or "your giving her to much attention" lol
I do whatever I want to do and could careless how it looks, the red pill got men over-analyzing there every move like dealing with women is a chess game lol......

 

[anonymous12345]

Everyone on here just overthinks and mentally masturbates unnecessarily.

Learn to just be yourself and let your natural personality do all the work.

Interest level and attraction over Everything else, if she's highly interested it doesn't matter what you do or say, if she's not then it also doesn't matter what you do or say, she just ain't feeling you......

All these rules and techniques are ridiculous and I personally in real life don't know any "slayers" who actually do the things talked about here lol.

Example, the woman I'm currently fvcking/hanging with now, we text everyday, literally, everyday, granted she does majority of the initiating but it's not like "she's losing attraction because your texting to much" or "your giving her to much attention" lol
I do whatever I want to do and could careless how it looks, the red pill got men over-analyzing there every move like dealing with women is a chess game lol......

Yeah, I'm inclined to say the same thing. It's a trait of social anxiety to get hung up about details.

But here's the thing, it's a jump back to square one. And it didn't work. So we added these things, and if you have a better answer, let us know.

 

[mrgoodstuff]

Yeah, I'm inclined to say the same thing. It's a trait of social anxiety to get hung up about details.

But here's the thing, it's a jump back to square one. And it didn't work. So we added these things, and if you have a better answer, let us know.

So over analysis on details will block you out socially?

 

[Striker_93]

Yeah, I'm inclined to say the same thing. It's a trait of social anxiety to get hung up about details.

But here's the thing, it's a jump back to square one. And it didn't work. So we added these things, and if you have a better answer, let us know.

I already gave yall a better answer.

 

[anonymous12345]

So over analysis on details will block you out socially?

My shrink said a trait of social anxiety is to over-analyse and becoming self conscious, that's all. (I'm botching opportunity upon opportunity over here, so I have this a go.)

I suspect this is something that is going on in the manosphere, is so far for me at least. We have these perma-threads, "do/say/wear this/that" as if it's the holy grail. And guess what, someone counters with something else, which anecdotally works for them too, and the discussions goes on.

But there is some truth to all these advice. In movies (the brand Bond is a good example) and theater all these details have been given absolute attention. So how someone walks, whether they sit with legs crossed or open, manner of eye contact, what they say, for long, who ends the interaction, etc., etc. -- all build these characters. And they do in real life too.

I think the crux here is that these details are too complex in order to get a result by practicing/acting them. I think the solution is to becoming high value, "being on your purpose", go to the core of your personality, becoming a bit good at game so you have social skills, and learn about the social/power dynamics (Tomassi is great at that) -- and then the details will follow. You will walk with confidence, you don't simp, etc., etc. As someone here wrote, "if you're 'alpha' you do whatever the fvck you want", and that's pretty much what @Striker_93 writes too.

So, I think the overthinking is a problem, but it is understandable. I've been burned in my case, so when approaching/closeness I naturally try to do my best with my brain at surviving that situation. So, in my case I start overthinking, some recent things of mine: "If I sit down here with her I will friend zone myself." (no, just sit down and talk); “she didn’t sit down next to me again, it must mean something” (no, it may be some random reason or she’s just nervous, just relax).

I'd say overthinking, yeah, it can block you. You don't become a relaxed, natural, spontaneous baller/alpha, you lock yourself down in this labyrinth of intellectualisation of irrelevant noise.