Demons, Ghosts and Spirits? Do they exist...

[Luthor Rex]

Name me one person that has been killed by a ghost. Ghosts are just pussies.

I hereby challenge all ghosts reading this to come and haunt me. Do your worst you spooky losers. Demons can suck my balls also.

I heard that Chuck Norris once killed a ghost.

 

[Ken785]

man, im too fraked out to even look at the videos...i guess im just a freakin pvssy..

 

[Luthor Rex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0

Holy ****!

This guy could make a machine to get you HIGH, and have NO chemical addiciton!

If they could make home versions of devices like that where you could select your 'high' and it didn't cost much, that would end the drug war right there...

 

[theunflushables]

My question is how do spirits haunt a game made by the Hasbro company (or is it Parker Brothers)? Unless...they're really Satan's secret minions!

 

[Obsidian]

oh come on, hasn't anyone ever taken pictures somewhere that is claimed to be haunted only to see what might come up on your film?
even if you have never been encountered with something that one might think is a ghost, it is still somewhat intriguing because it is something so controversial.

Honestly, I've never understood why a ghost would show up in a camera if you couldn't see it yourself. A camera is just a mechanical eye.

My question is how do spirits haunt a game made by the Hasbro company (or is it Parker Brothers)?

It's not really a game, and other methods of divination have been around since prior to the invention of this one specific (Ouija) board.

Before you can reach for the otherworldly, you must first rule out the ordinary.

Deep Dish, you're really full of it...Most of those "explanations" were not particularly realistic. And did you even watch the videos?

Name me one person that has been killed by a ghost. Ghosts are just pussies.

The Bell Witch supposedly poisoned John Bell to death, but yeah, I think the main point of ghosts is not to kill people. They have two main purposes, to deceive certain individuals and terrorize/torment others. Both methods involve some sort of enslavement of humaninity. They want control, which they lack physically but which humans can give them. And aside from control, I think a lot of the evil spirits just get a sick pleasure from bothering people.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Heheh,..why is it ghosts only hang out in graveyards, old houses, spooky bogs, etc. ? Why not, say, the gym or Taco Bell or Disney World? If you're an incorporal spirit why not haunt a strip club? Why do demons always sound like slowed down James Earl Jones with a sore throat? I mean, that's how we know it's a demon right? If it sounded like a 6 y.o. girl we laugh at it.

OBSIDIAN, I watched all of the videos and I can tell you right now, each clip could easily be reproduced with a basic knowledge of Final Cut Pro. Hell, you don't even need editing skills, just a good crop, a stationary tripod and your buddy to move the furniture around just out of shot. Notice the grainy half-light low quality video? There's always a 30-45 second waiting period before somethng happens; this is standard film school suspense building. Why not simply que the clip to show the action? It wouldn't prompt a fear response if you weren't expectantly waiting for something spooky (which we've already been told will happen). Also, all of the text fly ons are half-assed jittery off focus fade ins. Why do this? I regularly edit video where I work and I know damn well you have to intentionally do this to get that distressed jumpy look. Again, why? It's all about drawing you in and holding your attention.

Law 37: Create Compelling Spectacles
Striking imagery and grand symbolic gestures create the aura of power— everyone responds to them. Stage spectacles for those around you, then, full of arresting visuals and radiant symbols that heighten your presence. Dazzled by appearances, no one will notice what you are really doing.

 

[edger]

Can you expand on this? I don't believe in ghosts, however I have had one "unexplained" strange thing happen.

One time I was staying in a cheap road motel on a road trip. Checked in, went to the local pub and came back. When I got back, the bathroom light was on. No big deal..I turned it off and laid down in bed. Well, the f*cking light in the bathroom turned on again. So, I get up, and turn it off again. A couple of minutes later, the light goes on again.

So..I'm thinking wtf? I turn it off, then click it's back on. I gave up and crashed out.

The thing is, the light switch needed to be clicked in the UP position to turn it on.

To this day, nobody has been able to explain to me how a light switch can defy gravity and click in the UP position without assistance.

LOL. I've heard those stories many a time.

 

[azanon]

:crackup: Hahaha! Ghosts, demons, UFOs are all chick crack (i.e. things you should say you believe in if it'll get you laid).

Heh, I couldn't resist.

Could there possibly be anything more contradictory than religious folks who claim skepticism with respect to "demons, ghosts, and spirits"?

This reminds me of a quote by Mr. Dan Barker:

"You believe in a book that has talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories, and you say that we are the ones that need help? " (Dan Barker, Losing Faith in Faith)

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Back to my ghost story, I think the most annoying thing about my experience is the near complete lack of belief of my story by my almost exclusively conservative, and religious family. These are the same people that accept the Noah story or believe Jonah can be eaten by a whale and live in his belly for 3 days, but they won't even believe a personal, eye witness account from their own son/brother. Both my story and the fact that its a first-hand personal account should make it more believeable.

 

[edger]

I watched an orb ghost (about 2-foot diameter, floating, sparkling ball of light) for about 2 minutes years ago in the house I grew up in; even saw the thing "float" from one room down a hall and into another. This was in complete darkness too, btw. I didn't know what an "orb ghost" was until years later I googled "floating ball of light" and found out orb ghosts are one of the most common.

The experience is mostly just frustrating because there's no knowing what you're seeing and it didn't try to communicate (though it did respond to me jumping when I first saw it by coming to me). It amounts to "I saw this ball of floating light". Maybe its an alien, maybe its a ghost, maybe it was just some electromagnetic energy of some kind. In any event, I mostly just got this sense it was checking things out.

Since I was the only one that saw it, it just makes me another person of 1000s making a claim.

Azanon, that was exactly what me and 2 other friends witnessed at the same time on the side of the road near my house while my friend was driving. It too happened at night. The only thing is, we seen it for about 3-4 seconds, then it disappeared. It floated. The incident happened during the summer of 2000. It was probably the size of a softball, maybe a trifle bit bigger.

It is said that spirit activity generally occurs between the hours of 9pm and 5am, if I'm not mistaken.

My dad used to be a skeptic, until he himself experienced strange occurences.

 

[KarmaSutra]

KarmaSutra:
I can testify that this stuff is real. I'm a paranormal investigator... and I've had some very surreal instances a couple of times which have really tested my resolve. We did an investigation at the Baynard house here in Auburndale and our group set up in the old slaves quarters and each of us felt hot then extremely cold spots, I and another investigaor had our clothes/hair pulled by something unseen, we have an EVP which is faint but clear of something talking to us.

Before you can reach for the otherworldly, you must first rule out the ordinary.With all due respect, I'm sorry brotha but you've been duped. It's natural that you would be, since the human mind is error prone to believe in the supernatural, to not have all the best explanations readily available at the time of an encounter, and to be easily fooled."Haunted" houses often are plagued by faulty electrical wiring which causes hallucinations.

'DISH, The next investigation we have in the area I extend an invite to you brother. We are extremely didigent in verifying ALL of the facts before,during and after an investigation. I know I have not been duped into believing something fanciful. Just as real as I'm typing this, something unseen grabbed me and pulled. There are other ways to see than with just our eyeballs.

Rollo,

I concur that some of the videos we've seen are easily made with editing software, some cannot be explained. As I am technically proficient with editing (both linear and non linear) either on a Steenbeck flatbed, Moviola or with Final Cut Pro, I can see cuts, fades and crosslines which only the trained eye will notice. Not everything in this world is explainable with just our senses.

 

[Nighthawk]

Wouldn't the military be interested in harnessing the spooky power of ghosts? Oh yeah I forgot, turning lights on and off only has so many wartime applications.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Oh, I'm not denying the possibility that there might be things, energies and such beyond our capacity to sense, but that's the paradox - we're sensing them. We think we see, hear, feel things we can't explain, but they register in our senses, in the physical and therefore making them physical phenomenon, not meta-physical. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. For instance I would be locked away in an asylum were I to say that people will see in the dark, communicate with each other intantly and invisibly, and fly to the moon if I'd lived in the 1800s. Yet now we have infra-red tech, X-Rays, wireless communications, and a space shuttle. Many of the prophecies in the book of Revelations probably sounded more than insane to people just 50 years ago, yet now we can easily make them reality with our own technology.

Now, that said, over the same course of technical evolution we also understand how our minds work and can better manipulate psychology. We have a need to believe, we have a need to satisfy emotional cravings so we create compelling escapes for ourselves. These are made all the better when we 'feel' we are participating in them. Movies can stimulate fear, sadness, laughter, and a whole host of other emotional responses, but you're looking in from the outside. If I can actually be a part of that experience it becomes more enveloping. So the possibilty of being involved in something meta-physical (the ultimate escape) and sharing it in a story-telling capacity hooks us. I'm not denying spirituality, what I'm saying is that it needs to be tempered with the rationalization that we have a need for the entertainment value it can provide when manipulated carefully. That's why I laugh at these clips. It's enjoyable for me to pick them apart.

AZANON, as I've said many times before, I don't believe in a 100% literal translation of the Bible. Beyond that, lets face it, when Scooby Doo and the gang get to the end of an episode it's always a diamond thief in a rubber mask who's trying to scare off the skeptical.

 

[Charm&Style]

one thing i dont get is why is the daemon breathing...if you're a ghost or daemon, aren't you a non-physical being...then why the loud gasp for air? lol ehh stupid question but ive seen it too many times in these ghost flicks.

 

[Obsidian]

OBSIDIAN, I watched all of the videos and I can tell you right now, each clip could easily be reproduced with a basic knowledge of Final Cut Pro.

You obviously haven't been to a movie theatre in the past fifteen years -- Because if you had, you would realize that pretty much ANYTHING can be faked in video. Nonetheless, some of the clips in that first (American) youtube link looked pretty legit.

Wouldn't the military be interested in harnessing the spooky power of ghosts?

yeah, I'm sure the American government is interested in allying itself with the devil to augment our otherwise inferior military strength

one thing i dont get is why is the daemon breathing...if you're a ghost or daemon, aren't you a non-physical being...then why the loud gasp for air?

Of course they don't need to do it. They don't need to appear on earth to f*ck around with humans either. They breave heavily because they're bastards, because they know it's scary, and because they want to scare you.

Heheh,..why is it ghosts only hang out in graveyards, old houses, spooky bogs, etc. ? Why not, say, the gym or Taco Bell or Disney World?

1. They want to remain undetected by most people to maintain an element an mystery and skepticism among much of the populace.
2. They want to stay at places that are really scary. If they want to haunt a person who has dabbled into their realm, they aren't going to have as much of an effect if they bother him when he goes to Taco Bell. Much better to torment him every night when he's lying in bed...in the middle of the night. Just think about things logically, man: How often do gangs and mafia members just parade around attacking people in broad daylight?

Could there possibly be anything more contradictory than religious folks who claim skepticism with respect to "demons, ghosts, and spirits"?

Seriously:

The king said to her, "Don't be afraid. What do you see?"
The woman said, "I see a spirit coming up out of the ground."

"What does he look like?" he asked.
"An old man wearing a robe is coming up," she said.
Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?"
"I am in great distress," Saul said. "The Philistines are fighting against me, and God has turned away from me. He no longer answers me, either by prophets or by dreams. So I have called on you to tell me what to do."

 

[azanon]

AZANON, as I've said many times before, I don't believe in a 100% literal translation of the Bible. Beyond that, lets face it, when Scooby Doo and the gang get to the end of an episode it's always a diamond thief in a rubber mask who's trying to scare off the skeptical.

I didn't necessarily mean to target you per se, since there are hundreds, thousands, and tens of thousands of christain skeptics out there. IMO, "christain skeptic" is an oxymoron; and I'd even include the so-called open-minded ones (such as those that take parts of the bible figuratively only). If anyone's gonna be open to believing this stuff, christains should be first in line.

 

[Nighthawk]

yeah, I'm sure the American government is interested in allying itself with the devil to augment our otherwise inferior military strength

Of course they don't need to do it. They don't need to appear on earth to f*ck around with humans either. They breave heavily because they're bastards, because they know it's scary, and because they want to scare you.

The awesome power of Satan and all his 'bastard' demons = a table being kicked? Aieeeee!!!

 

[Obsidian]

they're definitely not as powerful as they'd like you to think

 

[Mr.Positive]

Heheh,..why is it ghosts only hang out in graveyards, old houses, spooky bogs, etc. ? Why not, say, the gym or Taco Bell or Disney World? If you're an incorporal spirit why not haunt a strip club? .[/I]

This is a very good point. Think about it logically, why would a ghost haunt a cemetery, or a dilapidated old mansion? I just doesn't add up.

If I were a ghost, I'd be haunting the playboy mansion for awhile. Then I'd travel, and check out some foreign hotty babes. Being a ghost would be a gift, right? Why not enjoy it!

I just can't believe that so many ghosts would waste such an awesome opportunity.

While I don't believe in ghosts perse, I do think there is some unexplained scientific 'energy' that we have discovered yet. Maybe in the future.

 

[Vulpine]

Speaking of watching mysterious floating orbs of light...

I seriously recommend sitting and watching a field full of fireflies (lightning bugs) while you are on mushrooms.

 

[Luthor Rex]

The awesome power of Satan and all his 'bastard' demons = a table being kicked? Aieeeee!!!

They used to be more active until a power greater than Satan himself took control of the demons in hell: UNIONS

That kind of buracracy just slows everything down to a crawl...