Default Openers

[TommiV]

Hey guys,

Please take this seriously guys and don't just flame is for asking about openers or canned lines.

I'm getting better at situational openers. I'm usually fairly quick witted but tend to be slow when it comes to women, I'm trying to relax so things come to me quickers.
Anyway, situationsal openers are great since its lets you hit things off with something in common or whatever.

But a lot of the time thres just nothing that stands out. You know, the girl is just there. You want to approach but you just can't think of anything that'll come off well.

I've come up with a sort of list in my head, of common situations I'm in (usual out at a bar or club) that I'd see girls I like. If no situational opener comes to mind you need a "default". I know canned openers are lame so I just want simple ones I can work on.

Common situations:
1. Girl standing/sitting at the bar
2. Girls dancing
3. Girl with her friends
4. Girl standing alone.

4 simple situations you'd notice on any night out but whats a good default. I'll try just "hi" but it doesn't really get the conversation flowing. If anything I'm getting over the approaching fear but I notice its usually when I find I don't now what to follow up with that I'm hesitant.. at least if I already have something in mine with a situational opener the convo can go from there.

Sorry guys, I know this is basic stuff. I'm not the most talkative of guys usually so I'm not great with this. Please don't flame, its a genuine topic I know a lot of guys here are interested in.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

I'm also a situational approacher that use to get lost when I was unable to find "things" to comment about. I believe that the key to being able to "approach anyone at anytime" comes from simply becoming a social person. When the environment fails to give you a natural icebreaker you should just be direct with the girl-- share names and attempt to get to know her more and make your intentions known (flirt!).. Also you should try to insta-date her.

Don't get caught into the canned material BS. I once thought that canned shyt would be useful, but FK IT you have too much personality to hide behind canned shyt...

Here's a link to my OLD field report journal... I miss the game (in a relationship) and believe that if I were single I would be so unstoppable. It all starts with the proper mental frame and extends into the positive aspects of your personality. I believe that most guys here already have the necessary tools to be successful with women, we can't all be shut ins or pathetic unlikeable losers.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=85985

Good luck and play on

 

[Fash]

Common situations:
1. Girl standing/sitting at the bar
2. Girls dancing
3. Girl with her friends
4. Girl standing alone.

Who said canned openners don't work???

Think about it, it is an OPENNER! it is not ment to show your personality, or whatever else. It is suposed to OPEN a conversation from a non standard "hey, come here often? " angle. I use them all the time and as you can see from my FRs, they do work!

So... use canned openners, and once you have their attention, then go into ways of portraying your personality and move into the seduction phase.

Here is a list of the stuff I regularly use... There are examples for single/double/of group situations.

http://www.bristollair.com/outer-game/routines/openers/ultimate-opener-collection.html

My absolute favourite is:

Me: Excuse me... are you someone who is confident enough to accept a sincere compliment?

Her: mmmmm sure. :yes:

Me: Cool! me too! you go first!

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

NO NO NO-- We do not want to create PUA Robots.
Be a real person not a nerd science clone. Come to the light.

 

[Driven2Succeed]

hahaha to Fash,

as far as default openers, I dunno, think it just depends on situation, how your feeling, and things of that nature. her response is also based on how shes feeling and her initial attraction to you. if you guys see her and you all catch eyes and the tension is there than go for it and you wont be dissapointed..

I'm definitely not a pro at cold pickups.. actually come to think of it, I just talk to everyone, and if it goes well, than great, if not.. "no worries"

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

actually come to think of it, I just talk to everyone, and if it goes well, than great, if not.. "no worries"

Exactly

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Okay... so you use your ultra cool canned line and you are in a conversation, where do you go from there???

If you need "canned lines" to broach another human, I doubt that you (all inclusive you) have the charisma to really have a decent conversation. Talking to people should come natural-- you don't need a fking routine.

 

[Wiesman44]

"you two seem like you could use some company"

Thats a good one i use that is harmless.

 

[TommiV]

See thats where I'm stuck.

I don't wanna have canned routines. I find I can at least have a short convo with anyone that I have sparked up convo with but I know I probably come across as awkward or not knowing what to say in trying to OPEN convo. Its very rare a girl would open me, I know I need to make the first move but I don't wanna be cheesy. I try to just say whatever comes to mind and suits the situations.

But like this last time I was at a club, I saw this gorgeous blonde come down the stairs towards me, as I was walking up.
All of a sudden I'm like, "I want that!" but I'm saying "think, think, do, it what do I say.. crap she's past me"... and that was it.
I really feel lousy over this one. That I left it go like this... but it just didn't come to me. I'd like at least something "default" to say when nothing else comes, I've heard other people talk to this... just a sort of "hi" opener that'd get her to stop and talk, I'd take it from there. (But obviously I'm talking better than "hi" and looking all awkward.)

 

[Tom Juan]

"Hi" seems to have a good effect rate.

 

[TommiV]

Tom Juan, with all due respect, I'm not f***ing slow.
Every post I've read of your has been some weak attempt at c&f, taking the piss out of the guy posting. Its lame.

I was trying to build some genuine ideas here.

I mean, rule no.1... good looking girls get chatted up all the time... what gives ME a chance? I need to cmoe across different, not like every other chum she's turned down today. Get'it? I know I can say "HI"... I'm trying to think how to better myself though, say something or do something better than the last guy she turned away.. be noticed... be different.. spark attraction...

Or if you don't think I'm sure you'll have some non-funny weak c&f responce to boost your own little ego.
Geeez... this forum used to be FULL of quality guys, now its full of SOME qualilty guys and a whole load of idiots trying to be funny.

Thanks to the other guys above who responded though, you've been helpful.

 

[Distant Light]

After a few months of thinking Hi was good, it is by far one of the worst. I've had countless times where I would try to open with Hi and I'd sit there thinking "WTF". I would try it to hb10s and hb9s they would walk right by you. Others would look and walk, say hi and walk. The worst ones that I've got many times are "Do I know you?" or "Who are you?" The most I've had come out of a hi opener is small talk.

Seriously I've had better rate closing rate by opening girls who were carrying gifts or boxes and simply going in high energy and saying "For me" with my hands out and big small. Then just going into what did you get me, a just going straight C&F.

Seriously some of you guys approaches sound plain and boring. There is nothing wrong with Canned opener many people use it and even routines. Seriously if you think of it most routines are basically stuff that worked that brought out a certain emotion. Make sure before you give info your giving stuff that will lead to the lay not no great stimulating conversation in a coffee store before you go home and play Star wars.

I'd recommend you learn the Horse girl opener. (Give it about a year Shocker openers will be the next best openers, I currently think its the best)

Other ones I like are
- Breakup by txt message opener
- Tattoo Opener
- Drug Dealer opener (If i'm with wing)

Those are like my 3 defualt opener and my 1 defualt wing opener.

 

[Tom Juan]

Tom Juan, with all due respect, I'm not f***ing slow.
Every post I've read of your has been some weak attempt at c&f, taking the piss out of the guy posting. Its lame.

I was trying to build some genuine ideas here.

I mean, rule no.1... good looking girls get chatted up all the time... what gives ME a chance? I need to cmoe across different, not like every other chum she's turned down today. Get'it? I know I can say "HI"... I'm trying to think how to better myself though, say something or do something better than the last guy she turned away.. be noticed... be different.. spark attraction...

Or if you don't think I'm sure you'll have some non-funny weak c&f responce to boost your own little ego.
Geeez... this forum used to be FULL of quality guys, now its full of SOME qualilty guys and a whole load of idiots trying to be funny.

Thanks to the other guys above who responded though, you've been helpful.

Gotdamn! What the hell is wrong with a simple "hello"? There's not fvcking special techniques required. How would you normally talk to another human being?!? DAMN!

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I mean, rule no.1... good looking girls get chatted up all the time... what gives ME a chance? I need to cmoe across different, not like every other chum she's turned down today. Get'it? I know I can say "HI"... I'm trying to think how to better myself though, say something or do something better than the last guy she turned away.. be noticed... be different.. spark attraction...

KJing based on Seduce and Conquer concept by Kayton Pane.

Have you tried neg-raps? 'Hey, girl, what's with the dress, are you colour blind or something, ha!" or "That colour is an eye-soar, gotta get some eye drops" whatever you can think of. Say it outloud and in a heckling way and walk away. Show her you can have a good time without her when she starts noticing you and let her come after you.

Your mission is to heckle and make fun of the HB9+ and show you are not intimidated by their beauty or attractiveness. Even if she comes on to you, pretend you dont care and look at other girls or something.

Try it out for experiment, see if this works.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

After a few months of thinking Hi was good, it is by far one of the worst. I've had countless times where I would try to open with Hi and I'd sit there thinking "WTF". I would try it to hb10s and hb9s they would walk right by you. Others would look and walk, say hi and walk. The worst ones that I've got many times are "Do I know you?" or "Who are you?" The most I've had come out of a hi opener is small talk.

That's a funny thing. In the HTSWW book, it recommends saying "Hi." as part of it's 'approach habits', and even more radically, saying "Hi." to six attractive women a day for 30 days as building rejection tolerance.

Now, the responses you claim were 'worst' "Do I know you?" or "Who are you?" could be responded back with a pick-up line. The obvious answer to those questions are, "sure, I'm the man of your dreams, and who are you?", if she ignores you then heckle her, "Hey, I say 'hi' to everyone to be polite, not because you are sexy. Don't get ahead of yourself girl, <and then use some good neg-raps>", This is the neg-rap concept, one that is proposed also by Seduce and Conquer - if a woman has an attitude (and she does if she doesn't say 'hi' back and walks past you), then you give her MORE attitude. Say some remark if she walks by - "Nice wig you have on". Make her understand you were just saying 'hi' to be polite, but as a babe - you make sure you neg-rap her down.

I'm KJing all this thought, but wonder if it will work, maybe I'll try it on some of my approaches, this neg-rap stuff sometimes, if I even get to appraoches.

 

[Rocko]

Luke Skywalker, you are a living example that it is easier to preach to someone on what to do then to do it yourself. Your previous thread was about you having a phobia of approaching women, and here you are giving advice on how to open up to them and what to say. Your book may help, but unless you get some credible experience, I doubt many people will take your posts seriously.

 

[TommiV]

'Hey, girl, what's with the dress, are you colour blind or something, ha!" or "That colour is an eye-soar, gotta get some eye drops"

Try it out for experiment, see if this works.

Em, ok, I can't admit I've done this but, eh. I can't see how in the name of holy hell this could work.

I DO understand negs. I know how to neg a girl, you say something playful! Not something down right arrogant and rude... also you say it in a conversation which I already said I'm ok at. You can't just walk right up to a girl and say those lines above... you'd be slapped on the spot.... those aren't negs... those are down-right insults dude! Nobody is gonna follow u around the club after saying something like that, damn!

Alright, We've established "Hi" works, nobody says it doesn't but you guys still aren't listeneing. "Hi" is what everonye sys... isn't making urself look different from all the other chumps the game here? If you just wanna look like all of the other chumps and make it a numbers game then you can keep saysing Hi until you get SOMEONE... I'm talking about getting THE ONE that *I* pick...

 

[diplomatic_lies]

The problem is, the time you waste thinking about canned openers, means you miss the chance to even greet any woman.

Whereas if you simply think "Say Hi", you wont waste time thinking while she walks away.

 

[SELF-MASTERY]

Are you looking for some kind of magical phrase that will turn an uninteresed women into your lover??? I believe that there is very little that anyone can do to force attraction. The only thing you have is YOUR personality, it isn't like I can transfer my energy, my background, or my confidence over to you (not u, but the inclusive u.)

Every guy should know what he has to offer a women. What are you selling the HO? Are you funny, do you have high energy, are you a captain save a ho (some hoes need saving!), where are you from, and on- and -on.

I can't tell someone to joke around like I do with women, because the might not have the social acumen to do what I or some else does. Know thou self and present that to the world.

I wish I knew the magic phrase that made women go wild, but I dont and no one else does. Present your energy to the world like fishermen cast nets to the sea, and you get what you deserve.

This is not what you want to hear.

 

[TommiV]

Alright, looks like I'm fighting a loosing battle here. Words are being put in my mouth..

I KNOW there are no magic phrases... I just thought SOMEONE would have some advice on "not just being another chump"...

I'm actually able to tell a joke and make people laugh. Its just like I said, I'm ok once in a conversation, I just find it hard to spark it in the first place. Oh well..