Dealing with Douche-bags on date [VID]

[vatoloco]

Louie's problem is that he let it go too long. With dealing with disruptive people, my philosophy is to QUICKLY Acknowledge -> Divert -> Ignore -> Impair [if needed]

In this situation, what Louie could've done is 1) looked the kid and friends in the eye to let them know he's aware of them, 2) turned the kid's words against him and made fun of him, 3) after that, told him to fuck off and 4) [if needed] told him "Hey, come here...", grabbed his head as if to confide something with him and smashed his face on the table.

Something I've learned (especially in fighting) is that you don't give your enemies that chance to fight back. Impair them to the best of your abilities ( break their faces, bones, etc.) and get the fuck out of there.

 

[SoSuave666]

Any more fighting advice? I'm a karate black belt but I don't think most of these techniques would come in handy in a brawl or if somebody were trying to tackle me.

I was afraid of fighting when I was in 8th and 9th grade and now that I've bulked up and played some football I feel like I could take and deal some damage. But I'd like to hear some more tips from you.

I'm no trained fighter man, I've just been in more than I would like to admit. These are simply things that I've learned. You might want to ask trained MMA posters for real advice. Mine are simply experiences.

Also, people who try and take you to the ground can be in one of two extremes: 1.) Someone who has no idea what they are doing or 2.) Someone who has every idea of what they are doing.

I usually find people go for a tackle or grapple type move if they are losing/don't know what to do. This group of people usually just tries to get you on the ground so they can "choke you out." It's like the default for someone who has no idea what to do. They just rush in head down and try to overpower you. Another tip I've always learned is to keep my distance. Someone rushing towards you should always be kept at an arms length away. Pick your spots, don't just go blatantly rushing people. You'll get knocked the fvck out.

 

[DJBond]

I have a solution that works - usually it gets you through without any trouble. Usually. The solution is - always be prepared to escalate and mean it.

Two options: 1) Don't say a word. Point at the douche, point at the wall as if saying "this is you." Slam your fist into the wall suddenly. Smile through the pain and say "you really want to do this, my friend?"

2) Say "are you ready to go to the big house for murder today? Because that's what it's going to take to stop me. If we fight, the best thing for you is if you LOSE. Cause then I just go on my way. Let's say you do smash my face in. Nobody ever wants to look at me. Can't get girls like this chick here. Then I have no reason to live. And therefore, no reason not to kill you and everybody you like. First I'll get your family - it'll be quick, because their mistake was raising you to be a douche. Then I'll get your friends like those ****ers over there because they chose to hang out with you knowing what you are - that'll be slower. I'll record a few calls from them to you as they die screaming. Then, I'll come for you. I'll disfigure you. Cut open your face. Then hack off all 4 of your limbs. Then call an ambulance so you understand exactly how I would feel if my face was smashed in. So if you're ready to go through all of that, feel free to take your shot right here. OR STOP WASTING MY TIME AND GET THE **** OUT! And oh, if I'm only crippled, my father has no reason to live. And he's worse than me."

That is how you properly escalate. Like I said, it only works if they can see you mean it. So far, I haven't had any problems with that...

 

[AAAgent]

First of all, i made it a point to put people like that in their place (which was wrong on my part) from kindergarten through college. Eventually i realized that you can't stand up for someone that isn't willing to stand up for themselves.

There's 2 scenario's i could see myself doing:

1.) I would listen to him and act really confused and maybe scared. Then i would apologize and stand up and smash his face in with my coffee mug and throw him to the ground. I would then football pass the mug directly at his friends face or whatever (assuming they will be charging me) and continue to pound the guy. If i get the better of it and his friends bounce, i'd maybe take him outside and sit him down and talk to him a little and tell him to call me his daddy or some **** and smack him around and piss on him....worst case scenario i get jumped by his friends and i lose, i will just continue to bash that one kid's face in. The whole time i will act calm and collected while im doing this as i rarely lose my focus when fighting. Being calm and collected allows you to perceive and react more appropriately.

From my experience always stay calm and collected as no one is able to interpret your moves. I can easily say excuse me, stand up and smash the kids face on the table or with a mug then put him in a choke hold and drag him out while i calmly tell his friends to sit back and relax, I'll bring your friends right back.

ughhh i hate my anger problems....and i do my best to control it.

I have done stuff like this before and it does NOT win you the girl. It also gets you really hurt, makes people hate you including your friends, and shows you have no self control. You will also get in trouble or jail.

Scenario 2

Ask the lady to move to the other side of the restaurant with me or perhaps go to a different venue. Fighting is bad and frightening. Even though i enjoy it, i still get scared. I never ask kids to quiet down as it just makes them crazier. You either put them in their place or not. Never try to meet them halfway as they aren't mature enough at that point.

Things like this happen all the time and i used to confront the bullys or a group of them or went for option 2. But being 25 now, option 2 is probably the best option.

 

[Mr.SomeoneElse]

Yes, its very hard to get in a fight and not seem like a spaz/frighten the girl your with.
I also feel as though a lot of you are saying to change locations just because those kids were loud??
That seems like a bull**** solution. Makes you a push-over and looks like your afraid just to be around them with any confrontation even happening yet.
I think the best way to handle it would be to disarm with words
Calm and primitive. Like nature intended. Wolves/Lions both stare down their prey, when the pray backs away and runs, no matter how big the prey is, they go after it. When the prey steps forward or remains calm, it raises the question of the prey being a threat.

I think the best way would be
remain calm > talk without showing fear > stand up at or above eye level if escalates > take step towards him if it gets more serious
These are all ways to remain alpha, like an animal, without initiating physical confrontation.

Punching the wall btw, is the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard. That would just be stupid.

 

[AAAgent]

Why do you need to prove yourself to kids? And even if they are adults, is it worth it to potentially risk endangering your date/gf/wife? Even if you have kids there, would you want to put your kids through all of that or have them think fighting is the right solution.

I was never bully in my eye's as i always confronted bully's who bullied others, or people who threatened me, gotten into many fights, never had any weapons pulled on me (thank g0d) but chairs, random object have been thrown at me etc.

Even if you were 90% sure you could win easily in a fight against 3-4 guys....what do you really have to gain? It shows no self control to your date/company and will frighten them (girls have called me crazy, guys call me crazy, have told me to grow up, etc.). Fighting is never the proper solution as it doesn't solve anything. Fighting is always a last resort.

Being alpha is being smart in this case. What type of alpha male see's a pack of wild hyena's and decides it's a good idea to let them know that your in the area and disturb them. Even if you are a Lion, do you really want to fight a pack? The kids didn't bother the guy at all, they were just being rowdy. Now, if they start bothering you intentionally without provocation and you can't walk away....then you stand-up for yourself.

Unless you are highly skilled and can defend yourself well, best defense is a good offense. Always hit first.

 

[Aristippus]

BPH,

Yeah. There's a difference between sports Karate and Karate for self-defense. I'd say avoid fancy spin moves in real fighting. Avoid using the spinning heel kick. It's too easy to get knocked off balance. Do NOT use the X block for a knife attack. You'll get sliced to pieces. The X block was taught as a technique for disarming sword attacks (i think it was a defense from the downwards swing of a samurai sword) but some people teach it for knife attacks. That will get you hurt or killed.

If someone tries to tackle you, you can push their head down to thwart the tackle. Don't get too fancy in a real fight. Forget what you've seen in the movies. Even if you're trained, real fighting is pretty sloppy, ugly, and unpredictable. Fancy moves can tire you out and can get you injured or killed.

 

[zekko]

Here's another potential problem: They could be minors. It looks like they're wearing some sort of high school athletic gear. I know you can get into trouble for beating on minors.

In fact, if you throw the first punch or whatever, that could put you on the wrong side of the law. I know it would be very, very difficult not to in that situation. But if you do, you might forfeit any criminal or civil action you might want to take against them after.

Also, if you try to hit and run, you might be able to outrun them, but your girl probably won't. The guys might decide to mess with her.

I would probably end up getting my @ss kicked in this situation, because there's no way I would beg. I'd be tempted to get up and say "Come at me bro", because then I would at least get a laugh out of it.

You could try getting up and using the chair as a weapon or shield, but that's escalating things and if the others jump in they could use chairs too. Could get ugly fast.

 

[BPH]

BPH,

Yeah. There's a difference between sports Karate and Karate for self-defense. I'd say avoid fancy spin moves in real fighting. Avoid using the spinning heel kick. It's too easy to get knocked off balance. Do NOT use the X block for a knife attack. You'll get sliced to pieces. The X block was taught as a technique for disarming sword attacks (i think it was a defense from the downwards swing of a samurai sword) but some people teach it for knife attacks. That will get you hurt or killed.

If someone tries to tackle you, you can push their head down to thwart the tackle. Don't get too fancy in a real fight. Forget what you've seen in the movies. Even if you're trained, real fighting is pretty sloppy, ugly, and unpredictable. Fancy moves can tire you out and can get you injured or killed.

Yeah I know, I don't really like the techniques and the katas. I enjoyed sparring. My staples were a back knuckle, wheel kick, and side kick. The problem was that this is effective against others in the same sparring stances carried questionably power (especially the back knuckle). And I know that if/when I get into a college fight, the other guy will probably not be trained and swing around a lot, and while it's sloppy, I'm not AS trained to defend against it.

 

[DJBond]

Mr Someone,

It's seems stupid because you're not in that situation and safe behind a keyboard. When somebody does the totally unexpected and crazy with no warning in a tense situation, it disturbs your opponent. You can keyboard warrior this all you want, but in real life it works. First, you have demonstrated a capacity for sudden violence. By smiling, you seem to indicate ENJOYMENT of said violence. Also an enjoyment of said pain. However, you have not yet given the bully a physical reason to come after you. What's the point of this? To show that you are crazy and innately violent. Now honestly, do you want to mess with a crazy person? No, because they're crazy. You don't know what might possibly happen, but you know deep down inside even if "you win" they will **** you up somehow. Bullies in general aren't crazy - meaning they think like you and can't process an action like this. It's psychology. By doing the irrational, you are ****ing up their thought process and making them realize that things could get ugly. Actually, now that I think about it, because you are crazier than them, it makes them look good because they have to step up and "be the adult" as you clearly are not going to be - because you are clearly insane. So for the bully, backing down becomes more acceptable "I didn't know that guy was nuts" - the gang won't mock him for backing down because they know they would too.

I noticed you said nothing about option 2, which is based on the same principle - just more extreme. If option 2 works, which I'm sure you will admit it just might, option 1 works as well. But hey, your mileage may vary.

 

[Zippapants]

Any more fighting advice?

I believe in peaceful resolve, but as we all know, there are people out there who don't care for words.

I trained in Tae-Kwon-Do as a kid and became a black belt, but I found the most valuable thing that taught me was to rely on my reflexes, stay calm, and think in a fight (quickly, of course).

Jiu-Jitsu has taught me a lot more relevant techniques that I've used in a street fight. I have a large advantage with my ground game because my legs are double-jointed (people fighting me have commented that I'm "like fighting an octopus" haha).

Best advice I can give you if the fight comes in close is to use your elbows and knees. And DEFINITELY refrain from any sort of headbutting.

And as I said before, utilize your surroundings if need be.

 

[Hobbs]

Mr Someone,

It's seems stupid because you're not in that situation and safe behind a keyboard. When somebody does the totally unexpected and crazy with no warning in a tense situation, it disturbs your opponent. You can keyboard warrior this all you want, but in real life it works. First, you have demonstrated a capacity for sudden violence. By smiling, you seem to indicate ENJOYMENT of said violence. Also an enjoyment of said pain. However, you have not yet given the bully a physical reason to come after you. What's the point of this? To show that you are crazy and innately violent. Now honestly, do you want to mess with a crazy person? No, because they're crazy. You don't know what might possibly happen, but you know deep down inside even if "you win" they will **** you up somehow. Bullies in general aren't crazy - meaning they think like you and can't process an action like this. It's psychology. By doing the irrational, you are ****ing up their thought process and making them realize that things could get ugly. Actually, now that I think about it, because you are crazier than them, it makes them look good because they have to step up and "be the adult" as you clearly are not going to be - because you are clearly insane. So for the bully, backing down becomes more acceptable "I didn't know that guy was nuts" - the gang won't mock him for backing down because they know they would too.

I noticed you said nothing about option 2, which is based on the same principle - just more extreme. If option 2 works, which I'm sure you will admit it just might, option 1 works as well. But hey, your mileage may vary.

Hahaha so breaking your hand by punching it against the wall is a smart idea?
This is retarded.
he's not being a keyboard warrior he's being smart.
You punch the wall, injuring yourself before a potential fight even breaks out.
Plus you look great infront of your girlfriend.
this IS ridiculous. It reminds me of jersey shore when the situation headbut the wall right before a fight in anger, but the head but ended up giving him a concussion and he had to get ambulanced away haha

 

[Robert28]

grab a knife off the table, hand it to him and say "here hold this for a second" then pull out your gun and blast the b@stard. self defense because he had a knife

(don't really do this, I was just making a joke)

 

[DJBond]

If you break your hand doing it, you're obviously stupid. If you think I meant break your hand...I don't know what to say.

 

[Hobbs]

If you break your hand doing it, you're obviously stupid. If you think I meant break your hand...I don't know what to say.

So he's supposed to just punch the wall...just not hard enough to hurt his hand...got it.
That makes sense man, really smart.

 

[zekko]

So he's supposed to just punch the wall...just not hard enough to hurt his hand...got it.

I don't know, I think if you punched the wall hard enough to break it then it would make you look a lot more crazy. Plus you're supposed to smile through the pain to show you like it, right?

grab a knife off the table, hand it to him and say "here hold this for a second" then pull out your gun and blast the b@stard. self defense because he had a knife

I love this.

 

[FairShake]

There are 5 of them. I'm a big guy about 6'4" and 300lbs. I boxed since I was a kid and I'm in reasonably good shape. Those 5 would kill me without too much difficulty. They are rowdy and at the age where they fight for fun and seem like the type where it can get dangerous quickly. I would puss out and leave.

If the girl I'm with doesn't like that, if she would prefer me to be comatose on a fast food restaurant floor with my teeth in my hair than back away from 5 guys than she is not the girl for me.

Don't live your life for women boys. You might lose it.

 

[NobodyCares1]

agree with FairShake... I would just stand up and say "we're leaving" and leave... I mean five is just too much... I've stood up ready to fight a guy who was twice as big as I am and had 3 bulky friends with him... I only had my wimpy skinny useless in a fight friends... but I still didn't really want to fight him... I had one of my hands on a table with a knife just in case... still I stand up to someone when he wants to fight and try to look as fearsome and bold as I can... it scares the smaller ones... I usually avoid the bigger ones

 

[Rubirosa]

The whole thing is Louie's fault. He was very rude in the way he asked the guys to quiet down. I don't even think that Chuck Liddell would ask in such a rude manner. By being so rude right off the bat, he puts the guys in a defensive position....They have no choice but to quiet down and put their tail between their legs, or to challenge Louie in order to reclaim their manhood (especially with a female present ).

If I was in that position, I probably would have said something to my date like "Let's give this 5 minutes" . If I was not in a position to leave after 5 minutes, say I was waiting on ordered food, I would walk over, smile, and say something to the effect of "Can you guys help me out ?" Quietly explain that I'm into this chick and I can't hear her.....bla bla bla....

Skip all that and say I'm at the position where the guy is at the table and being the douchbag in the video......

I don't think a true badass is going to brag about a past fight conquest. He's obviously trying to scare me using words, hoping I'll believe it.

There's so many ways you can go with this, so many variables...........
The bottom line is that his ego is hurt and he's trying to show his balls

To you, your girl, his buds

Stay cool and confident like this stud at 1:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kxac0m2KohY&feature=relmfu

 

[floydb25]

Interesting... I used to hang out with people like the douche bag. Ha ha. Still have a bit of that vibe myself, and can get along with that type, so that would probably never happen. Not so much in the jock / douche bag sense, but a bit on the badder side. There were the jocks, and the troublemakers. I was part of the troublemakers. Too bad they mostly end up in jail, use people, treat them like crap, get drunk and high, etc. The personality is a match, and makes things fun (ie, witty arguments), but the lifestyle and dysfunction is too much.

Are some of you guys like Louie? I see a lot of complaining about women liking douche bags, *******s, and blah blah. Is this what you're talking about? Is this the nice guy? That guy is a bit on the weak / nice side. He's kind of turning ME off - much less the girl in question. But I'm more ****y, sarcastic, and laid back.

But yea, this would never happen, so I can't really say. I'm not one of those antsy, get annoyed, and cry about it types. If I do say something of the sort, its going to be in a sarcastically rude fashion - but typically only if I know the person. Like, "hey, shut the **** up, dumbass". People can tell I'm being sarcastic, since its my entire dimenor. It wouldn't be "HEY GUYS, CAN YOU KEEP IT DOWN? GREAT, THANKS." But even that would be mocking that type of person.

Man, no wonder why I dated *****es.