De La Hoya VS Mayweather

[CLOONEY]

Handicaping his last two legit opponents, and Mayorga isn't one of them, Hopkins having to drop down to an unnatural weight, and Mayweather to move up in weight

Man, since when did the drawcard NOT handicap their opponents? And DLH handicapping BHOP, BHOP was at a HUGE advantage. Again I will say, when I first heard BHOP calling Oscar out, I laughed. Cant beleive it actually happened. Cant wait for Mayweather to start calling out Pac, Morales and the like. Or how about Jermain Taylor start calling out Diaz in a couple of years? If a fighter has a point to proove, step up, not down! BHOP could have fought Joe Cal, or Kessler (at least he finally went up and fought Tarver).

 

[Gangster Of Love]

DelaHoya did very little of the things that he needed in order to win like you said he would. He looked slow, tired and DID NOT land as much as you are giving him credit for. Had he actually landed that much, we wouldn't be having this discussion, he would have hurt and stopped Mayweather.

The weight wouldn't have mattered in this one, because as I stated before, this fight was decided on speed, not on who's gonna lean more on who. He lost to Mosley because he was slower and wasn't able to match the hand and foot speed, and also because he faded like old blue jeans down the stretch. Same thing happened on saturday. As little as people claim Floyd did, Oscar did even less.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Handicaping opponents?? Well, that wasn't enough to win in either fight. Time to hang 'em up. He can still beat stationary targets who get hit, though. Maybe he can make Floyd a business partner at Golden Boy. He met the one requirement: beat Oscar! If you can't beat them, have them join you!

Oh, yeah, how was Hopkins at a great advantage? That fight was won on skill, not on size, as you witnessed right before the "knockout". They agreed to a certain weight. No different than asking Floyd to come up at your weight. Oscar had Hopkins come down. We are talking about a man in his 40's who'd fight at 160 for some 15 years or so.

Those now famous "shots against the ropes" happened on what, two rounds, maybe three. On a 12 rounds fight, scored on the 10 point must system, that is hardly enough to win a fight. Who landed more punches? How many more? If a lot, do you think Floyd can afford to get hit that much by a puncher like DelaHoya?

The better fighter, in his prime, won this fight. Apparently Oscar not only got too much credit for coming forward and being the "agressor" but also for the two rounds where he had Mayeather against the ropes and landed some shots while Floyd took the time off.

Let me ask you, you picked Oscar to win? Besides the two rounds he used his jab and threw punches against Floyd leaning agasint the ropes, Did he do what you said he was gonna do? Did you expect this fight (the matchup, not the outcome) to turn out different? Did you expect this to be a highly entertaining high contact war?

It went as I thought it would based on seeing them fight. Each had to do what they do best. Who did what they normally do? Not a very high contact match. A defensive fight with not many punches landed to put enough hurt on either fighter. Actually, if Floyd had more pop, he would have hurt Oscar. He stunned him a couple of times from landing clean shots.

Mayweather didn't live up to what? You picked him to loose, because of his size dissadvantage. If you picked him to loose, and he actually won the fight. Are you more impressed with the guy who you picked to win, yet lost?

How did you have it in rounds?

 

[PRMoon]

You guys missed the real fights during the bout. They were in the stands!! The fans got completely out of control on saturday. I saw at least 4 scuffles and two full on brawls in the grand garden. Fortunately after the fight it was a short drive to the bar...where another fight broke out in the parking lot. These two fighters have such a loyal following and they stick up for their boys so much that they'll take it to the streets. Bad stuff.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

You guys missed the real fights during the bout. They were in the stands!! The fans got completely out of control on saturday. I saw at least 4 scuffles and two full on brawls in the grand garden. Fortunately after the fight it was a short drive to the bar...where another fight broke out in the parking lot. These two fighters have such a loyal following and they stick up for their boys so much that they'll take it to the streets. Bad stuff.

You know what is the saddest thing about those fights??? None of those fighters got paid for their bouts.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Clooney, you're the one who said that the weight advantage would help Oscar. I said it wouldn't, because for THIS FIGHT, speed was gonna be the decisive factor, not strenght and/or punching power, because a fighter's punching power is only good for what he can hit. Fighter A can hit and throw as hard as you can, but if all your hitting is air, and not fighter B, it won't make a difference.

As much as Mayweather missed, DelaHoya missed even more; believe me, had DelaHoya not missed with all those punches, he would have hurt Floyd badly. It wasn't not a contact bout. The puncher missed a lot, so we got a long fight, the more accurate guy cannot punch, so we got a long fight.

Can't wait for your watching of the tape. Remember, it is scored on 12 different rounds. 10 point must system.

 

[CLOONEY]

Gangsta, to tell you the truth, I was not sure which Oscar was going to turn up. He fights SO different in so many fights. We all know this, there is Oscar the boxer, and Oscar the slugger, this fight, he chose to slug, and this is why he lost. Not because Floyd was that much better. Floyd always fights like Floyd, though he has pressed a bit more late in his career against Ndou, Mitchell and Judah, but it was obvious he was going to use his wheels against Oscar. Still Oscar didnt use enough movment and just walked on in, just like against Mosley (and he was so disappointed with the Mosley 1 performance that he sacked a GREAT coach), so I didnt expect to see a repeat of that fighting style. Even Carr made it close with this brawling version of Oscar until he was stopped.

I just rewatched it, and I had rounds too close to score again, I ended up with Floyd by 1 again (I do not score with the 10 point must system, firstly Im not a judge so I dont have to, and secondly if a round is a draw, I give it a draw). Floyd landed barely anything either. Nearly everything he threw, hit goves. He barely worked the body, and he moved a LOT. Most of the punches Oscar landed were shots to the body, and his head shots landed were only glancing.

I did not just pick him to loose because of his size disadvantage. That was one aspect that was going to favour Oscar on the inside (which it did). He just stood in there too much, and walked right on in many times (that being said, Floyd still could barely land). The fight no doubt was very close, and this is one I actually disagreed with Harold, usually I score a fight nearly identical to him.

Oscar needed to pick his shots better, instead of put his head down and swing. He usually picks his shots a LOT better than that. So you saying that if DLH landed more, he would have hurt Floyd badly? To the head, that is true, to the body, it is not. And like I said above, most of Oscars landed shots were to the body, or glancing head shots, and all these, you have to score.

I was not impressed with either fighter in this fight. I would rather one win decisively so I could know fairly in my mind who is the better fighter. But unfortunately, this did not happen. I still need another 12 rounds to determine who is the better man in that ring.

As for BHOP, his size was a HUGE advantage over Oscar. He could box, and Oscar just wasnt big enough to hold his own from the outside. Plus, no way Oscar was going to beat him on the inside. BHOP won because he had great skill and was MUCH bigger. If you are telling me the size advantage BHOP held meant nothing, you are kidding yourself!

 

[CLOONEY]

It went as I thought it would based on seeing them fight. Each had to do what they do best. Who did what they normally do?

Oscar is best when he brawls? Sure he is. Oscar brawled in Mosley 1, he lost. In Mosley 2 he boxed, he won. Mosley had faster foot and hand speed, did it win him the fight? I dont think so.

Oscar is best when he is a boxer-puncher, he is NOT a pure boxer, or a brawler. And in this fight, he had his head down, and was walking right in. No idea how you say Oscar did what he does best or did what he "normally" does. Sure.

Mayweather was the one who was easy to predict what he was going to do, Oscar was the wild card in this fight.

 

[CLOONEY]

OMG, you hear about Coralles? RIP, I am in SHOCK!!!!!

 

[Reyaj]

I just heard this. RIP.

A true warrior who was one of my favorite fighers.

I'll get to the Oscar Floyd dialogue later as I want to chime in on some of these opinions.

 

[Latinoman]

ODLH is already past his prime and way too inactive to sustain the level of competition that somebody like PBF or Winky Wright might bring to the plate.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

OMG, you hear about Coralles? RIP, I am in SHOCK!!!!!

Yes, I just read about this. That is so sad! 29 years old. Definitely a man who was tormented by his deamons. One of the nicest guys in the boxing game. He was always very accomodating to fans and media. Total warrior in the ring.

Our days to live, to love, to share moments, to spend time with our love ones, to live it up, to take chances, are numbered. Make the most of it. He definitely lived it up. He will always be remembered! RIP

 

[6-heads lewis]

He died exactly 2 years to the day after the first Castillo match. Its only fitting.

He wasn't always a model citizen, but a model fighter most definitely. It took a lot of guts to step up and fight Clottey, and even more guts to hang in to the final bell. Sadly it was his farewell performance.