De La Hoya VS Mayweather

[CLOONEY]

Also, it does tend to be difficult for a smaller guy with less reach to box someone who has a height and reach advantage. DLH

Reach is fairly even, Mayweather 72", DLH 73".

Remember also, DLH crouches, so there will not be a too larger height advantage.

 

[CLOONEY]

and you know what the funny thing is...Mayweather's trainer AKA his DAD is the trainer for Oscar and it's soo funny that Mayweather doesn't even realize what kind of an animal Oscar is.

If you watch the Q & A segment Oscar talks about neutralizing speed which he learns about from Mayweather's FATHER LOL!!!! and Floyd has no real answer for it when they ask him.

Mayweathers trainer is Roger, his uncle, NOT his dad. Floyd Sr was turning upto his gym in Vegas, but he was not training him. Floyd Sr has since left the gym and does not turn up anymore.

Floyd Sr is also not the trainer of DLH, Roach is.

Everyone knows the way to neutralise speed is with the jab. But Oscar is very fast himself, and since when did Mayweather become so damn fast? The majority of his opponents were slow moving sluggers (Chavez, Hernandez, Castillo, Coralles, Gatti etc). Its his timing that makes him so accurate, not his speed.

Dont get me wrong, he is fast, but he is not on another level to Oscar.

 

[CLOONEY]

Oscar has a history of only fighting guys after their prime, or waiting until they get crushed in their previous fight to challenge them. And then not giving them a rematch to boot!

From what I've heard behind the scenes, Mayweather is the much humbler, kinder and more generous person.

DLH's only chance is to catch him with a fluke power punch early because the atmopshere will be so energetic and chaotic. As soon as round 3 or 4 starts and the fight has an established rhythm, DLH has no chance.

I agree, in that as the fight goes on, Mayweather will find his rythem and do a lot better, though DLH will still have his moments. The first few rounds should be good for Oscar, unless he sits back on Mayweather.

I disagree with Mayweather being humbler, kinder and more generous. Come on man, the guy has a history of violence. Taking guns around threatening his ex? Beating her? His boxing career was even in jeapordy because he was going to go to jail. The guy changes depending on who he is around, he obviously has some huge insecurities from growing up to deal with, and he even admits that himself.

Oscar has fought guys past their prime, but who hasnt? Not to mention, Tito was PRIME and DOMINANT in the 147 division when Oscar took him on. Mosley was unstoppable when DLH fought him, they fought at welter, but Mosley was not a lightweight, never was. He moved down to fight there when he turned professional. Not to mention, DLH started even lower than that. Quartey had a bad fight the one before, but he was still in his prime. He moved to MIDDLE to fight BHOP, can you imagine Floyd fighting Jermain Taylor?

 

[6-heads lewis]

I disagree with Mayweather being humbler, kinder and more generous. Come on man, the guy has a history of violence. Taking guns around threatening his ex? Beating her? His boxing career was even in jeapordy because he was going to go to jail. The guy changes depending on who he is around, he obviously has some huge insecurities from growing up to deal with, and he even admits that himself.

This may or may not be true I dont know and really none of us do, we go by what is accepted as common knowledge and the information presented, preferably not by people with an angle to portray. As we've discussed before HBO is obviously biased and not reliable.

I’ve purchased a handful of Ring magazines, one of them had a letter and photo sent in of some average joes with Mayweather. The photo had an accompanying letter explaining they met him at some Vegas lounge or casino or something and he was really cool and friendly, the writer blasted the magazine and other media outlets for vilifying him. Also, the 2nd episode of 24/7 was much kinder to him. From boxing forums Ive stumbled onto Flyod is known to be a very generous tipper and guest (im talking several hundred dollars to local bouncers), of course these are unfounded sources.

As for the story of Mayweather kicking some guy in a bar, he said afterwards that he only confessed to it so it couldn’t delay a fight between him and Gatti, or something like that, which makes sense.

The case vs DLH is frequently circulated, Ive never researched far into it myself, but the comments arent disputed much and seem to be accepted.

- Rotating trainers, underpaying them, stories of him firing them indirectly and disprespectfully
- Raping of a 15-year-old girl in Mexico was published in SI if I remember without legal dispute.
- The purse split between DLH and Campas being incredibly exploitative

I can look into I further if you really care, though I don't think its worth the time. Ill concede I have no real evidence, and am biased against him as a result of his boxing antics as explained below.

Oscar has fought guys past their prime, but who hasnt? Not to mention, Tito was PRIME and DOMINANT in the 147 division when Oscar took him on. Mosley was unstoppable when DLH fought him, they fought at welter, but Mosley was not a lightweight, never was. He moved down to fight there when he turned professional. Not to mention, DLH started even lower than that. Quartey had a bad fight the one before, but he was still in his prime. He moved to MIDDLE to fight BHOP, can you imagine Floyd fighting Jermain Taylor?

Tito was prime and dominant, but the media basically forced him into the fight, and even then Tito had to accept a split lower than 50/50 which he could have rightfully claimed. Yes he did fight Quartey and Mosley, I respect that. Quartey should have got a rematch, even the past-his-prime cokehead Whitaker arguably beat him and didn’t get a rematch. Instead he goes off and beats up Mathusula Chavez again, and he only fought him the first time after Chavez lost his aura of invincibility. Mosley turned down a lucrative fight with DLH to fight unpopular but extremely dangerous Wright, which is a tribute to his character.

As for the Hopkins-DLH fight, its much closer than Taylor-Mayweather. DLH was never a legit 130lber, he had a huge size advantage over the midgets across the ring, if you remember he didn’t let HBO weigh him before the fight. Hop weighed in at 156lbs I believe, he’s never had any trouble making middleweight. Oscar is legit at 147, so there was roughly a 10lb difference in fighting weight. Mayweather can easily make 140lbs and would have stayed had Hatton not chickened out.

Also note that Mayweather had publicly said he was willing to fight Winky who is massive at 154, but Winky wanted too much money, and considering he has no marketing appeal whatsoever and demanded a ludicrous 50/50 split to rematch Taylor, its not hard to believe.

 

[6-heads lewis]

Flyod is notorious for trash talk, but its just hyping up a fight. After the Gatti fight he gave Gatti more credit than he really should have. After Corrales’ corner threw in the towel, Corrales was really upset about it and caused a scene; Floyd went over there and played the peacemaker. Compare this post-fight humility to Oscar calling Sturm an “average fighter” after getting a gift decision, and protesting his loss to Mosley even though most of press row had it for Mosley.

Most importantly, after Floyd’s only controversial win vs Castillo (I had it a draw), Floyd gave him an immediate rematch without hesitation, something Oscar has never done, and wouldn’t do if he receives a gift decision on May 5th.

Floyd won legit titles at every weight class save for 140lbs. Gatti was a paper champ, Hatton was the real one, though Hatton admittedly turned down an offer to fight in the UK.

Judah beat the undisputed champ, then Baldomir beat him. Mayweather beat them both. You could argue that he should have fought Margarito, but with a DLH fight looming it wasn’t worth it. Though Margo is respected in boxing circles, he has no public following and a PPV would flop. Besides, Margo still has Williams to worry about.

 

[vagrant]

oscar has a new trainer btw...manny pacquiao's trainer freddie roach...they might have just prepared well for this fight...but then again with mayweather you can already expect a hit and run...oscar is an accurate puncher though and way bigger than pretty boy...it'll be a good fight...but not exciting though!~

 

[Gangster Of Love]

I can't believe too many of you are doing exactly what HBO wanted you to do, and that is fall for the hype and get you to pick a favorite based on how much you can relate to the characters portrayed in their little "reality tv" soap, errrrrr, infomercial.

I will post a complete pre-fight analysis later. I will include what the fighters are really like, who they've fought, what are the advantages, and everything I know from both, who've I've seen fight live, and covered as a member of the press years ago.

 

[CLOONEY]

Everything can be argued numerous ways. Both Oscar and Floyd have a lot of fans, and critics. Nobody really knows them but their close friends and families.

I think a lot of this will come down to which way Oscar chooses to fight. If he comes boxing or putting on sustained pressure (aka, Mosley 1). If he does come like this, he will be pot shotted out of there. If he stands his ground, uses his jab, throws the counter left hook, and chooses his moments to throw timed, accurate combinations, he will win.

As far as qualities:

Strength: DLH
Power: DLH
Chin: DLH (it is more prooven).
Speed: Equal (Mayweather may have a SLIGHT edge).
Heart: Equal
Timing + accuracy: Mayweather
Defence: Mayweather
Generalship: Mayweather
Stamina: Mayweather

But in the end, a breakdown of assets doesnt mean ****. This is not a calculation, it is an artform.

 

[6-heads lewis]

I look forward to your comments, Gangster of Love, you probably have more insight into their characters than the rest of us. I hope you weren't referring to me as a guy who's picking sides based on these 30 minute segments, I presented a fair critique of DLH based on his history in the sport.



btw, Clooney, what boxing forums do you view or post on? I occasionally read eastsideboxing.com. If you've ever been there you can appreciate the hilarious banter between Mundo and Jack Prescott.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

6-heads, no I wasn't referring to you. Actually, I thought your posts regarding this fight are the most logical and accurate regarding this fight.

When people start saying so and so is a jerk, so and so is a role model, so and so is gay, etc. etc. then they are falling for the hype and sell job that the promoter is putting out there.

I don't know much more about their characters, bu have seen them fight for the past 16 years or so. Oscar DelaHoya was in my high school class for two years. Met Floyd in training camp a few times in the past, before he got a little to full of himself. Anyway, I'll post a review soon.

 

[Reyaj]

Nobody can accurately judge these 2 characters because like Clooney said only those close to them get to see who they really are on a daily basis.

All we can do is form opinions on what we see televised. Oscar clearly carries himself more professionally and is more courteous. This cannot be argued.

 

[Reyaj]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imp_I65p4MA

Oscar is a tiger

 

[CLOONEY]

btw, Clooney, what boxing forums do you view or post on? I occasionally read eastsideboxing.com. If you've ever been there you can appreciate the hilarious banter between Mundo and Jack Prescott.

I visit boxingtalk.com for a scan every couple of days. I used to post far more often however, just dont have time these days.

 

[CLOONEY]

Oh, Gangsta, you must be crushed with the ending of Barerra and Morales careers? Both definatley didnt end on the heights they were once at, but then again, that happens to 99.9% of boxers, just dont know when to hang em' up.

 

[Reyaj]

Excellent article about what's at stake for Mayweather

http://www.maxboxing.com/Fischer/Fischer050207.asp

 

[Gangster Of Love]

Oh, Gangsta, you must be crushed with the ending of Barerra and Morales careers? Both definatley didnt end on the heights they were once at, but then again, that happens to 99.9% of boxers, just dont know when to hang em' up.

Correct, they all keep fighting, because businesswise, they will still make good money a few fights past their prime.

DelaHoya should have ended it after he layed an egg and took the count following the Hopkins bodyshot. Business wise, he is like a classic rocker, he will make the most money during the last part of his carreer.

 

[PRMoon]

Ooo Ooo Ooo! I got a limited edition Delahoya vs Mayweather 100 dollar chip as a tip today at work! This week just keeps getting better and better!

 

[MetalFortress]

I heard a funny story about Mayweather that a local radio DJ was telling. He is a big fan of Mayweather, and once, he personally witnessed Mayweather talking trash, telling another fighter how he was going to kick his ass. He tapped the shoulder of a member of Mayweather's entourage, and told him that he's a huge fan of Mayweather and asked if he could get his autograph. He tapped Mayweather's shoulder and got his attention, and Mayweather, upon seeing the DJ there, immediately became very friendly and gracious to the DJ and happily signed his autograph. He told the DJ, "You have a good night, and I'll see you at the fight!", then immediately turned back to the other fighter and began threatening to kick his ass again. Hilarious.

 

[Gangster Of Love]

I heard a funny story about Mayweather that a local radio DJ was telling. He is a big fan of Mayweather, and once, he personally witnessed Mayweather talking trash, telling another fighter how he was going to kick his ass. He tapped the shoulder of a member of Mayweather's entourage, and told him that he's a huge fan of Mayweather and asked if he could get his autograph. He tapped Mayweather's shoulder and got his attention, and Mayweather, upon seeing the DJ there, immediately became very friendly and gracious to the DJ and happily signed his autograph. He told the DJ, "You have a good night, and I'll see you at the fight!", then immediately turned back to the other fighter and began threatening to kick his ass again. Hilarious.

Hahaha. This is a great story. And I believe it. That is what some of these fighters do. I dealt with a lot of these guys, and how they act in front of the cameras and mainstream media can be very different than how they really are.

I've seen James Toney act all pi$sed of and yell, then he turns around and smiles at a fan. On tv, he comes across as a complete disrespectful pr1ck, yet he is not as angry as he appears.

Erik Morales would always phone in his responses to the media when he was on the microphone taking questions from the entire media. When I would interview him, one on one, and in spanish, he would speak from the heart, and use a lot more humor and more colorful language to describe Marco Antonio Barrera.

Back in May of '99, I went to interview Floyd Mayweather in Big Bear, before his fight against Goyo Vargas. He was very quiet and cranky initially during his workout. Then, as soon as I started throwing some non-standard questions, he started warming up and being very nice to us unknown people trying to cover his training.

The point being, what is edited, what you see on tv, etc. is just a fraction of what these guys really are. The way this fight is being sold, and it needs to, being that Floyd is NOT a mainstream star, is Good vs. Evil. And while DelaHoya fits the role like a glove, Mayweather is the one who has to sell himself to the general public. Seems like he has to try a little too hard to come accross as a pr1ck, in order to sell the fight. While I have a couple of friends in the media who tell me that he really is an a$$, he used to be very polite, DelaHoya style, when he was coming up.

A fight between to good, professional, polite, boring fighters is not gonna draw flyes. You add the Good vs. Evil, specially when the betting favorite plays the Evil role, then you got the potential for making a lot of money.
There is no such thing as bad publicity in an event like this.

 

[lookyoung]

There is no way DLH beats mayweather. The tale of the tape.

Speed: Mayweather
Boxing ability: Mayweather
Defense: Mayweather
Experience: Even
Power: DLH
Stamina: Mayweather
Youth: Mayweather

MY PREDICTION: Close fight for the first 6 rounds. After that it is all Mayweather. Mayweather by unaminous decision. 117-111.