Dbot king of quick lays. Followup you're gonna love this

[StevePUA]

But this thread is not following dbot's example. Maybe you are trying out the concept like you know the girl first, which is his style, but it's just backfiring. But I don't read anything on dbot's threads that he goes to a girl and sits down beside her to pretend there is a date.

Yeah, sitting down at someone's table is a bit strange, depending on the seating arrangement. But limerickdesign did it in a funny way and got away with it, so all's good.

Pure dbot is to go up to a girl and ask her right away if she wants to go to his place. Of that, he approached 100 girls and came up with a 1/10 rate on that method. Now that doesn't necessarily mean exactly 1 out of 10, it could mean he got a lucky streak somewhere in the 100, maybe that lucky streak came near the end. It averages out to that.

Dbot had sex with 1 in 7 (14%) of women he approached/propositioned. Plus he said he only approached girls who were a 9+. I'm sure Dbot would have gotten more girls towards the end of the experiment when his routine became smoother and made minor adjustments as he progressed. Plus girls can "smell" that he was successful with other women recently, which would have helped (including more confidence).

The main good thing is you did not get any negative reaction. Problem is you are being too much of a nice guy on your approach. Should cut to the point and if you want to say a girl is cute or you like her, then just say that. If you want to ask her to your home or car then that is also what you say too.

Agreed, but limerickdesign is still doing very well.

That is dbot's style. These crazy approaches always yield low numbers and low quality girls at the end of the day. The upside is less drama, BS, money, etc... cost to get laid. I'd personally just go to adult sites on the internet or hire an escort if I were that desperate to make those type of approaches in public since they are borderline criminal harassment and anyone can also blow a police whistle on it.

Indirectly propositioning girls isn't borderline criminal harassment, he's just inviting them to his place. If the cops got involved (unlikely), it would be very easy to talk your way out of it.

 

[dbot]

This is awesome. To the OP: keep doing what you're doing. I would be a fucking liar if I said I didn't fail a LOT in the beginning. But don't stop, because you're learning your boundaries, and you're learning which buttons to push and which ones not to. You'll experiment and improve until you're getting the results you want.

It's really awesome that someone is actually attempting my experiment from three years ago. People will bitch and whine that I must be lying, or make up excuses (I must be super attractive), but in the end nobody actually attempts it themselves. Way to go.

I also hope you learned an important lesson from approaching the ugly chick: Looks. Don't. Mean. Shit. It's all about how you make them FEEL.

Oh, and to whoever was asking, I just cleared my inbox, so you should be able to PM me.

 

[Jeffst1980]

Hmm, I'm a little concerned about the reactions you've received from women. A daytime cold approach shouldn't result in a "**** off" or a woman telling you to leave right away like that. How is your body language when you are approaching? Are you acting overly aggressive or "thug"-ish?

IMO, the "chutes & ladders" line would have more success if it's used BEFORE trying to pull.
e.g.:

You: (in an exaggerated PUA manner) Why don't you come over right now and play some "Chutes & Ladders" with me?
Her: lol, I don't think so.
You: But really, what are you up to right now? I've got a hour to kill before work- wanna grab a coffee real quick?

Bring her somewhere near your place, amp up the kino, and tell her you want to show her something at your apartment real quick. This will give her the plausible deniability that she needs to avoid feeling like a slvt.

Also, you should be trying to at least get the numbers of these girls that seemed somewhat interested.

 

[Lexington]

Hey man, at least you went out there and tried and that's more than can be said for most of the keyboard jockies on these here message boards. I'm not doubting that dbot's approach works for him, but I find that a more subtle approach works for me. I never explicitly mention sex. I just try to communicate interest with kino and I never actually mention anything even remotely sexual. When I do invite girls over, I just ask if they want to "hang out."

I find that even the dirtiest sluts get turned off when you are explicit with them. Again, I can't comment on dbot's situation. Being explicit seems to be congruent with his personality. But for me, being sexual with body language as opposed to words works a lot better. My approach is basically the same as the Gunwitch method (search the tips section).

 

[corrector]

Hey man, at least you went out there and tried and that's more than can be said for most of the keyboard jockies on these here message boards. I'm not doubting that dbot's approach works for him, but I find that a more subtle approach works for me. I never explicitly mention sex. I just try to communicate interest with kino and I never actually mention anything even remotely sexual. When I do invite girls over, I just ask if they want to "hang out."

I find that even the dirtiest sluts get turned off when you are explicit with them. Again, I can't comment on dbot's situation. Being explicit seems to be congruent with his personality. But for me, being sexual with body language as opposed to words works a lot better. My approach is basically the same as the Gunwitch method (search the tips section).

Yeah. You have to have some "nerve" to be explicit about that. But, even dbot will say that this is an extreme numbers game. I think it's cool at getting reactions from girls and if you have eye-glasses lens camara or something like that, then it may be a youtube sensation. Now a days you have spy-glasses sold at spy stores with videos. At least that would have some sort of purpose to it.

I could imagine someone making a youtube video, with spy-glass cameras, approaching every girl in a mall and saying "Do you want to have sex with me?" and get the reaction. Such a person would probably make lots of money from ad income since lots of viewers would tune into that, especially if there are extreme reactions.

But seriously, this stuff is for adult sites on the internet if you want to spam people there...I'd be terrified to try something like that in real life since I already have to work up allot of "nerve' to talk to a girl in the first place. It would be fantasy to make an explicit comment like that. Suppose she was a quality woman I'd want to have a relationship with? I'd blow my chance right off the bat.

If she is worth anything, she wouldn't allow herself to be picked up in that manner. If you did pick her up, can you really seriously imagine having a relationship with a girl that allows men to pick her up like that? I'd look like a joker that's doing that with every girl.

 

[dbot]

The "chutes and ladders" comment was never intended to be sexual. You could just as easily substitute it with playing cards or hot apple cider. The entire point is to be classy and proposition the woman in a respectful manner. You don't have to be a vulgar asshole to let a woman know you like her and want to have fun.

 

[Desdinova]

The interesting thing about the OP is that he just threw himself out there. He hasn't had much (if any) thick skin against rejection or approach anxiety. Judging from the reactions that he got, he was nervous and the women smelled it like a bad fart.

I'm willing to bet that dbot's success came from already having the confidence to approach, and zilch for approach anxiety. He knew he was going to get rejected, and he didn't fvcking care. The only way to gain these qualities is to practice, practice, practice. Approach until it's easy. Get rejected until you don't care about it. Confidence in your approaches will come naturally.

 

[I'm in the Mood]

I have an idea.

You could change up the "chutes and ladders" part and make it something original, also more realistic and spontaneous. I don't know about you, but I haven't played chutes and ladders in, ****, ages. But this is a perfect opportunity to come up with cool date ideas, maybe even something that relates to your conversation, like if you learn something about a girl while chatting with her. Making up your own date ideas will also take you away from the "pickup line" frame and take you into a place where you can be more authentic.

Also, to what dbot said: "I also hope you learned an important lesson from approaching the ugly chick: Looks. Don't. Mean. ****. It's all about how you make them FEEL."

Some of the girls were probably sensing that you were a little bit nervous/awkward/insecure/incongruent, or whatever you want to call it. ****, you have more balls than most guys here just for going on a blowout streak of approaches. I haven't even done that many in my life and I'm pretty damn jealous of what you're getting into here.

Everything will fall into place when the time is right, so don't stop and continue what you're doing, even if you fail time and time again. Soon I bet it won't effect you at all. And on the bright side, it gives you some pretty effing amazing stories to tell!

P.S. for everyone out there, don't forget about this gem right here:

Those of you who still think that the best way to approach a girl is by saying "hi", pay attention: Saying hi, introducing yourself, or asking her name right at the beginning of a conversation instantly puts her in a defensive state. "What do you want?" is probably what's going through her head after a stranger randomly approaches and says "hi." I'm not saying it doesn't work. I used "hi" all the time, with quite a bit of success. But there's something else that works 100 times better, and that's skipping introductions altogether.

Think about how you talk with your best friends. Do you say hi and shake their hand every time you see them? Probably not. Skipping formalities and protocol is the simplest way to make someone comfortable with you almost instantly.

 

[limerickdesign]

Yeah sorry i haven't responded back, ive been getting situated in my new place. I have been reading posts almost everyday and putting alot of information in my collective experience.

I stopped the approaches for now, since i now know that when you feel on top of the world, you can talk to virtually everybody and they will respond positively. If you have paralyzing anxiety results are mostly not favorable.
Dbot had muscles when he approached.

One thing i realized is that exercise is imperative to getting women, more notably to have some definition in your arms. Its supposedly the equivalent of having large breasts for men. I even remember a time when i got lucky with a hot girl (someone cancelled on her and she wanted to go out) i saw one of her ex's that was butt ugly and stupid (she said he was a dumb child) but had muscles. She even claimed to bang him a lot on a regular basis. I didn't want her to be anyone elses so i asked her out and she told me that i was too skinny.
I never thought about it during the time since women never say it. Just like we never tell women upfront that we want to **** their brains out and just try to talk and kino our way slowly into her pants.

Heres a good post by pook with many of the members confirming that muscles bring you chicks

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60002&highlight=muscles+attraction


I know its not a magic pill. It's simple and overlooked by many members. If anything to exercise so you can handle stress better when approaching women will enhance your congruency and confidence when talking with women.

 

[limerickdesign]

wow i pressed the wrong button and it erased my entire message.............

Anyways sorry i haven't responded, i loved ya'lls responses very informative and gives me some ideas, i have been paying attention to posts while ive been getting situated in my house.

I was doing some more research and realized that its extremely important to feel congruent when approaching, if you feel out of sorts it has a big chance of not ending favorably ( might seem obvious, we are taught however to keep on approaching it will go away). Many of us have paralyzing fear or deep anxiety issues that is not just a matter of working through it till your confident and can actually bury more feelings underneath as it has for me when i started doing very uncomfortable approaches.

I have come to the conclusion that feeling congruent when your approaching can stem from exercise. I knew Dbot had muscle when he had approached and had experience. I am a skinny guy and wanted to see if there was some sort of connection. What i realized is that muscle tone helps dramatically in your success with women (like the equivalent of big breasts for men)
There are many posts if you look for them that have many users confirming the posters statements that muscles help you receive more attention, dramatically increases self confidence, and gets more yes's (laid, dates etc....) it makes women want to mate with you (your a better breeding specimen, muscles is protection and fertile, healthy, most importantly activates their primitive reptilian brain to bang yo nuts)

It might sort of seem obvious. Women never tell us these things, just like women have to find out, we spend alot of time talking to them because we have the intention of getting in their pants and not sticking around because they are......interesting.


I got lucky with a hot girl one time (i was the only guy available and she wanted to go out;found that out later) she was the ultimate ***** however my shallowness to her hotness kept me around. She showed me one of her ex's she still bangs. She said he was a dumb oaf, kept banging him on a regular basis.
He was very muscular and very hideous. She never ended up going out with me after our date, she told me i was too skinny and that i needed muscle

After reading posts on the power of muscles i realized that i had lost a lot of possible experience since i was skinny.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=60002&highlight=muscles+attraction




It's not some revelation. I know. Building muscle has been lost in the community perhaps it wont make as much money as coming up with the endless possible combinations of how to touch, when to touch, and word smithing your way into her pants.

Do your own research. My endless searching has brought me to getting a fit body with some tone, and making sure that i at least exercise a little and get centered before i go out so i will approach with more confidence if the opportunity arises.

 

[StevePUA]

It's not some revelation. I know. Building muscle has been lost in the community perhaps it wont make as much money as coming up with the endless possible combinations of how to touch, when to touch, and word smithing your way into her pants.

Do your own research. My endless searching has brought me to getting a fit body with some tone, and making sure that i at least exercise a little and get centered before i go out so i will approach with more confidence if the opportunity arises.

I can't wait for dbot's reply to all this BS. dbot was pulling hot girls before he started doing weights. I've put on 10lbs of muscle in the past 3 or 4 months and the difference I've noticed in women noticing me or positive response is about 10%, probably more to do with my own confidence.

 

[limerickdesign]

I can't wait for dbot's reply to all this BS. dbot was pulling hot girls before he started doing weights. I've put on 10lbs of muscle in the past 3 or 4 months and the difference I've noticed in women noticing me or positive response is about 10%, probably more to do with my own confidence.

Yes Dbots input would be very much appreciated i think i will message him on this matter. I think most guys would agree that they are looking to just get laid and not looking to settle down with someone at the moment.

Ive based my consensus on personal experience (girls have said in the past that i was too skinny) responses from a wide array of people on the forum claiming they have noticed differences and from random articles online where guys claim their testosterone production (testosterone production increased in the body on a normal basis to maintain muscle) has made them more confident aggressive and naturally walk and talk (deeper voice higher testosterone production, sexier to women) like an alpha.

There was a "hot" girl who was a total ***** to me 6 years ago. I met her through an aquaintance, which i think was the reason why she tolerated me. I tried talking to her a few times and she would just insult me and pick on my insecurities. One day we ended up going out (she actually told me no one else was available ) i invested time so i wanted payout. (<----my reasoning)
I picked her up in my car and we went out and she showed me her ex boyfriend. He was buff and incredibly ugly. She told me he was a dumb oaf. She was still banging him on a regular basis, she was very open which i liked it gave me a new perspective on women. The date went pretty well. She said that in order for us to go out i would have to get some muscle. It was my first experience with that comment.


First impression is everything and many guys on SS dont believe they are good looking enough for girls, and have some non alpha elements. Humans in general put you into categories real quick so you can trigger the non alpha element real quick on opening, and she can equate you to non alpha and not getting laid. Muscle bends that image and shows that you have something more (disciplined, defender of household children, possibly ambitious)
and the increased confidence and respect from other men definetely will keep that confidence in place.

It would be very interesting to get Dbots take and see if muscle gains has greatly increased his effectiveness in every area of his pickup process.

 

[StevePUA]

There was a "hot" girl who was a total ***** to me 6 years ago. I met her through an aquaintance, which i think was the reason why she tolerated me.

"Tolerated" you?

I tried talking to her a few times and she would just insult me and pick on my insecurities.

She sounds like an idiot. Not sure why you kept going back for more.

One day we ended up going out (she actually told me no one else was available ) i invested time so i wanted payout. (<----my reasoning)
I picked her up in my car and we went out and she showed me her ex boyfriend. He was buff and incredibly ugly. She told me he was a dumb oaf. She was still banging him on a regular basis, she was very open which i liked it gave me a new perspective on women. The date went pretty well. She said that in order for us to go out i would have to get some muscle. It was my first experience with that comment.

This girl really sounds like bad news. Maybe you like the abuse. If you were muscly, she probably would have said that you need a better job. I wouldn't associate with her, I'd also forget everything she said. You remind me of a friend of mine who is also skinny and thinks that if he put on muscle the women will come flocking. He wants to start using steroids and everything. The truth is, women aren't attracted to him because he has a very negative "vibe".

Have you read dbot's workout routine?:

Gain Muscle FAST: Here's how I do it

He put on 17lbs in a month. I've used it and put on about 13lb over the last 4 months, but I haven't been doing the diet properly, if I ate like a horse, I'd easily be able to put on another 10lb in a month. I can't be bothered eating tonnes of chicken and tuna and drinking heaps of protein shakes.

 

[limerickdesign]

"Tolerated" you?



She sounds like an idiot. Not sure why you kept going back for more.



This girl really sounds like bad news. Maybe you like the abuse. If you were muscly, she probably would have said that you need a better job. I wouldn't associate with her, I'd also forget everything she said. You remind me of a friend of mine who is also skinny and thinks that if he put on muscle the women will come flocking. He wants to start using steroids and everything. The truth is, women aren't attracted to him because he has a very negative "vibe".

Have you read dbot's workout routine?:

Gain Muscle FAST: Here's how I do it

He put on 17lbs in a month. I've used it and put on about 13lb over the last 4 months, but I haven't been doing the diet properly, if I ate like a horse, I'd easily be able to put on another 10lb in a month. I can't be bothered eating tonnes of chicken and tuna and drinking heaps of protein shakes.

Awesome Steve thanks for the link i actually was looking for something for muscle that was good and came back to my old post. Appreciate it man.

Oh and the girl was absolutely amazingly hot so i took the abuse so i can get laid. Would of paid off if i could get it up (performance anxiety)