Date Report: Never before have I suspected a girl using me for a free dinner.
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No interest. Worse than no interest, she doesn't like you. You opened yourself up for the 4-move checkmate, she let it slide by making a 5th move (sending you the text, "Lol, I'm sorry" and etc.) and your 5th move was radio silence. So she went ahead and checkmated you on move 6.sageproduct said:
sageproduct
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She just called me...well obviously I picked up
Some light conversation, light flirting for about 10 min..she asked me what my last name is. then someone else called me so I told her I'd talk to her soon.
Ideally I'd drop her but...I think it's better for my growth in dating skills to keep pursuing this girl. I've already said, I couldn't give less of a sh1t about her - I'm just gaming her because that's what I do. It's right around my 1 year anniversary from when I first started cold approaching, and in that time I've only gotten dates with about 6 women. That's like one new date every 2 months or so...so basically the dates don't come quickly to me just yet, so I need this for the reference experience.
I'm not keeping her in the rotation cuz I like her..I'm doing it cuz there's no reason for me to pass up on this experience
Some light conversation, light flirting for about 10 min..she asked me what my last name is. then someone else called me so I told her I'd talk to her soon.
Ideally I'd drop her but...I think it's better for my growth in dating skills to keep pursuing this girl. I've already said, I couldn't give less of a sh1t about her - I'm just gaming her because that's what I do. It's right around my 1 year anniversary from when I first started cold approaching, and in that time I've only gotten dates with about 6 women. That's like one new date every 2 months or so...so basically the dates don't come quickly to me just yet, so I need this for the reference experience.
I'm not keeping her in the rotation cuz I like her..I'm doing it cuz there's no reason for me to pass up on this experience
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backbreaker
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Th
who the **** do you think you are trying to fool talking about you don't care, this is a 4 page thread about a girl that you "ovbiously dont' care about" come on man dont' insult my freaking intelligence.
it was ovbious you cared from the way you tried to fancy her up. "a Muslim virgin" like she is "different" so ovbiuosy you think highly of her as is. There is something about this chick that fits your archetypical female and you want her to like you.
and antoher thing; YOU CAN'T GAME A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T LIKE YOU. that's not game that's being a creeper.
KNOWING a woman isn't feeling you and you STILL persist on "keeping her around" = creeper / BETA / stalker. You don't even have the excuse of being an idiot you know better.
And what ****ing insight has ever been gained by keeping a woman around that doesn't like you. **** if anything it makes you worse off;
it
1. lowers your self esteem
2. gets you thinking about how to get girls who aren't intersted in you instead of worrying about trying to get girls that ARE interested in you.
a perfect post i wrote for this exact subject is this
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=199847
walk the **** away. there is nothing DJish about keeping arond a girl you know isn't intersted. when you do that, you have zero room to ***** about how women are self intitlted prin
Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****.sageproduct said:
who the **** do you think you are trying to fool talking about you don't care, this is a 4 page thread about a girl that you "ovbiously dont' care about" come on man dont' insult my freaking intelligence.
it was ovbious you cared from the way you tried to fancy her up. "a Muslim virgin" like she is "different" so ovbiuosy you think highly of her as is. There is something about this chick that fits your archetypical female and you want her to like you.
and antoher thing; YOU CAN'T GAME A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T LIKE YOU. that's not game that's being a creeper.
KNOWING a woman isn't feeling you and you STILL persist on "keeping her around" = creeper / BETA / stalker. You don't even have the excuse of being an idiot you know better.
And what ****ing insight has ever been gained by keeping a woman around that doesn't like you. **** if anything it makes you worse off;
it
1. lowers your self esteem
2. gets you thinking about how to get girls who aren't intersted in you instead of worrying about trying to get girls that ARE interested in you.
a perfect post i wrote for this exact subject is this
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=199847
walk the **** away. there is nothing DJish about keeping arond a girl you know isn't intersted. when you do that, you have zero room to ***** about how women are self intitlted prin
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
Th
who the **** do you think you are trying to fool talking about you don't care, this is a 4 page thread about a girl that you "ovbiously dont' care about" come on man dont' insult my freaking intelligence.
it was obvious you cared from the way you tried to fancy her up. "a Muslim virgin" like she is "different" so ovbiuosy you think highly of her as is. There is something about this chick that fits your archetypical female and you want her to like you.
and another thing; YOU CAN'T GAME A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T LIKE YOU. that's not game that's being a creeper.
KNOWING a woman isn't feeling you and you STILL persist on "keeping her around" = creeper / BETA / stalker. You don't even have the excuse of being an idiot you know better.
And what ****ing insight has ever been gained by keeping a woman around that doesn't like you. **** if anything it makes you worse off;
it
1. lowers your self esteem
2. gets you thinking about how to get girls who aren't interested in you instead of worrying about trying to get girls that ARE interested in you.
a perfect post i wrote for this exact subject is this
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=199847
walk the **** away. there is nothing DJish about keeping arond a girl you know isn't intersted. when you do that, you have zero room to ***** about how women are self intitlted princesses. none whatsoever. any post you make about how womena re ****s i will just post this 4 page thread about you keeping a woman who hasn't done jack **** to earn your attention around so you are adding to the problem.
I hold you and a few others here to a higher standard which is why im' ripping into you like this. you are ****ing better than this bro. you know better. you ARE better. act like a man. walk away. there is no reason to EVER keep around a woman who isn't adding value to your life.
Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****. Bull****.sageproduct said:
who the **** do you think you are trying to fool talking about you don't care, this is a 4 page thread about a girl that you "ovbiously dont' care about" come on man dont' insult my freaking intelligence.
it was obvious you cared from the way you tried to fancy her up. "a Muslim virgin" like she is "different" so ovbiuosy you think highly of her as is. There is something about this chick that fits your archetypical female and you want her to like you.
and another thing; YOU CAN'T GAME A WOMAN WHO DOESN'T LIKE YOU. that's not game that's being a creeper.
KNOWING a woman isn't feeling you and you STILL persist on "keeping her around" = creeper / BETA / stalker. You don't even have the excuse of being an idiot you know better.
And what ****ing insight has ever been gained by keeping a woman around that doesn't like you. **** if anything it makes you worse off;
it
1. lowers your self esteem
2. gets you thinking about how to get girls who aren't interested in you instead of worrying about trying to get girls that ARE interested in you.
a perfect post i wrote for this exact subject is this
http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=199847
walk the **** away. there is nothing DJish about keeping arond a girl you know isn't intersted. when you do that, you have zero room to ***** about how women are self intitlted princesses. none whatsoever. any post you make about how womena re ****s i will just post this 4 page thread about you keeping a woman who hasn't done jack **** to earn your attention around so you are adding to the problem.
I hold you and a few others here to a higher standard which is why im' ripping into you like this. you are ****ing better than this bro. you know better. you ARE better. act like a man. walk away. there is no reason to EVER keep around a woman who isn't adding value to your life.
sageproduct
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I'm not arguing in the following post, I'm trying to understand better
You've told me before game is like selling cars. Some sales are given - the guy is going to buy the car unless you pull down your pants and take a sh1t in front of him. Scoring those isn't game, it's luck. Game is about making those sales who are on the fence - are they interested, are they not interested? Either or, but the guy with game makes the sale.
At what point does this principle give way to deciding that they really aren't interested? Is it when you initially approach a girl and she seems hesitant to talk to you? Is it when you have to ask her twice before she gives you her number? Or is it when she turns her cheek the first time you go in for a kiss?
On a previous post in this thread you said to slow down because she likes me. Between that post and now, the only additional information added is that she answered my call yesterday, said she was tired and going back to sleep, then texted me later saying "i'm tired i'll call you tomorrow," which she followed up and did today. Doesn't seem like much to me for a complete 180
Other than that, I think there were a couple things lost in translation here. I'm a really introspective guy, and I'm not bullsh1tting anyone (especially myself) when I say I don't give a damn about this chick. Calling her felt like a chore. The reason why I mentioned this chick had all these qualities I was "supposed" to like was not because I actually liked her - I was musing at why I seemingly did not feel anything for her despite those qualities.
I made the Muslim comment because I thought it was weird how she was Muslim yet displayed some princess-like behavior. I actually NEVER said anything about her being a virgin - that must have been someone else, or a joke.
Excerpt from my very own OP:
You've told me before game is like selling cars. Some sales are given - the guy is going to buy the car unless you pull down your pants and take a sh1t in front of him. Scoring those isn't game, it's luck. Game is about making those sales who are on the fence - are they interested, are they not interested? Either or, but the guy with game makes the sale.
At what point does this principle give way to deciding that they really aren't interested? Is it when you initially approach a girl and she seems hesitant to talk to you? Is it when you have to ask her twice before she gives you her number? Or is it when she turns her cheek the first time you go in for a kiss?
On a previous post in this thread you said to slow down because she likes me. Between that post and now, the only additional information added is that she answered my call yesterday, said she was tired and going back to sleep, then texted me later saying "i'm tired i'll call you tomorrow," which she followed up and did today. Doesn't seem like much to me for a complete 180
Other than that, I think there were a couple things lost in translation here. I'm a really introspective guy, and I'm not bullsh1tting anyone (especially myself) when I say I don't give a damn about this chick. Calling her felt like a chore. The reason why I mentioned this chick had all these qualities I was "supposed" to like was not because I actually liked her - I was musing at why I seemingly did not feel anything for her despite those qualities.
I made the Muslim comment because I thought it was weird how she was Muslim yet displayed some princess-like behavior. I actually NEVER said anything about her being a virgin - that must have been someone else, or a joke.
Excerpt from my very own OP:
I'm not bullsh1tting you, I don't care about this chick. Here's the simplest explanation of why: Because I have one-itis for the girl in my other thread (it's WAY worse lol).sageproduct said:
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of course you didsageproduct said:
Don't know why you are still talking with hersageproduct said:
Drop her? You don't even have her. You made a thread about it and you keep contacting her. You do care. Gaming her? How are you doing that? She rejected your kisses and she forgot about you. Keeping this chick around is going to mess with your head and confidence. She is already doing that to you. She has you on a string.sageproduct said:
Rotation? You act like she is your fb. It is a bad experience that you will regret having.sageproduct said:
backbreaker
Master Don Juan
do what you do. but i'm pretty sure i know the ending to this movie.
i can't put it into words what i'm trying to say. there is a difference between being persisitant and being BETA ish.
like, the best way i can explain it like amber the girl i dated in my early 20's she canclled 2 dates with me, or 3, i forgot exactly but she kept standing me up for dates but when she did, even though she was doing that she was making it clear she really really liked me. she worked at the mall and i would run into her and she would be all over me so i knew she was interested and we'd set up a date and she'd flake. i got her to go out with me and i dated her for a year and some months eventaully.
i guess what i am trying to say is it's okay to be persistent only when a woman gives you a legit reason to be persistent.
you want to take it into sales, for instance right now i got a client that i sent a proposal to friday and LOVED the proposal and just from doing this for 4-5 years I know when a client is sold. WE were supposed to talk Monday, he isn't around. Isn't around today. I'm going to call him tomorrow. eventually we will talk and eventually we will move forward. in that sense it pays to be persistent
but you doing what you are diong is like me emailing a guy who hasn't bothered to respond from me sending him the first proposal and hounding him to contact me. at that point you are just wasting your time and lowering your self esteem in the process
i can't put it into words what i'm trying to say. there is a difference between being persisitant and being BETA ish.
like, the best way i can explain it like amber the girl i dated in my early 20's she canclled 2 dates with me, or 3, i forgot exactly but she kept standing me up for dates but when she did, even though she was doing that she was making it clear she really really liked me. she worked at the mall and i would run into her and she would be all over me so i knew she was interested and we'd set up a date and she'd flake. i got her to go out with me and i dated her for a year and some months eventaully.
i guess what i am trying to say is it's okay to be persistent only when a woman gives you a legit reason to be persistent.
you want to take it into sales, for instance right now i got a client that i sent a proposal to friday and LOVED the proposal and just from doing this for 4-5 years I know when a client is sold. WE were supposed to talk Monday, he isn't around. Isn't around today. I'm going to call him tomorrow. eventually we will talk and eventually we will move forward. in that sense it pays to be persistent
but you doing what you are diong is like me emailing a guy who hasn't bothered to respond from me sending him the first proposal and hounding him to contact me. at that point you are just wasting your time and lowering your self esteem in the process
sageproduct
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I have a legitimate argument now though. You know the client is sold because you've been doing this for 4-5 years.
But me? I'm a noob. I don't have the reference experience to know if she is or isn't interested. I don't have the luxury yet of being able to cut my losses early because I don't know if it's a long path leading to gold or a long path leading to dog sh1t.
You may not know the extent of just how utterly terrible my game was before I started cold approaching a year ago. In 19 years of life I think I literally had only kissed 4 different girls, and only one of them was someone who I was interested in or even someone who was decently attractive.
But me? I'm a noob. I don't have the reference experience to know if she is or isn't interested. I don't have the luxury yet of being able to cut my losses early because I don't know if it's a long path leading to gold or a long path leading to dog sh1t.
You may not know the extent of just how utterly terrible my game was before I started cold approaching a year ago. In 19 years of life I think I literally had only kissed 4 different girls, and only one of them was someone who I was interested in or even someone who was decently attractive.
Crazystarf
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Backbreaker answered this problem completely; when a woman is completely interested in you, she'll let you know (and you can tell). Otherwise she's gaming you to see how you react.
Sounds to me like you're frustrated about what happened with this girl. I would suggest don't worry about this too much and let her go.
Sounds to me like you're frustrated about what happened with this girl. I would suggest don't worry about this too much and let her go.
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Hey Sage. Just throwing in my 2 cents. You say you're introspective. Me too, I think. I gotta agree with the others. I don't believe you. You definitely care about this girl, or did at least at some point. Now you're just obsessed with finding some kind of "closure" when in reality the girl is never going to outright give it to you.
Want to know why I know you care?
When you think about something a lot -- excessively - going over different scenarios, it's impossible for the mind to think it's not important. The more we think about something, the more it grows. You've gone over dozens of scenarios with this girl, giving your own (at times self-serving) commentary and encouraging signals. It's pretty much fantasy at this point.
That's all I'm gonna say man.
It's true that you probably have learned a lot from this experience. I've been there. But I also know that a few years down the line you're also going to learn your biggest lesson -- that there's plenty more to learn with the next girl so you might as well move on.
Want to know why I know you care?
When you think about something a lot -- excessively - going over different scenarios, it's impossible for the mind to think it's not important. The more we think about something, the more it grows. You've gone over dozens of scenarios with this girl, giving your own (at times self-serving) commentary and encouraging signals. It's pretty much fantasy at this point.
That's all I'm gonna say man.
It's true that you probably have learned a lot from this experience. I've been there. But I also know that a few years down the line you're also going to learn your biggest lesson -- that there's plenty more to learn with the next girl so you might as well move on.
backbreaker
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this x10000NewAndImproved said:
Harry Wilmington
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And a sidebar: what, exactly, are the purpose of your conversations with this girl?? Since the date, you've made one phone call where you just randomly chatted with her about... well, nothing; and then, she calls you up and you have another conversation with her about... well, again, nothing.
The point of using the phone to contact a woman is to ASK HER OUT. That's IT.
It's not supposed to be used to have chit-chatty conversations with her, or to send her streams of text messages (texting KILLS relationships - click the link in my signature to read why), or to try and build up her interest. The phone's sole purpose is to help you get a date with her when you can't ask her for one in person. All other conversations you have with her should be saved for the DATE.
If she's calling you up and not hinting at wanting to go out, she's not interested. If you're calling her up and you're asking her out and she's giving you excuses, she's not interested. If she's saying things like "I wished I had kissed you" via text but isn't doing it to you in person, she's NOT interested.
Get her off the phone and set up an in-person DATE. It's the only real way you're going to get any answers about how she feels.
The point of using the phone to contact a woman is to ASK HER OUT. That's IT.
It's not supposed to be used to have chit-chatty conversations with her, or to send her streams of text messages (texting KILLS relationships - click the link in my signature to read why), or to try and build up her interest. The phone's sole purpose is to help you get a date with her when you can't ask her for one in person. All other conversations you have with her should be saved for the DATE.
If she's calling you up and not hinting at wanting to go out, she's not interested. If you're calling her up and you're asking her out and she's giving you excuses, she's not interested. If she's saying things like "I wished I had kissed you" via text but isn't doing it to you in person, she's NOT interested.
Get her off the phone and set up an in-person DATE. It's the only real way you're going to get any answers about how she feels.
Purefilth
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^^Actually, theres a function on these phones that allows you to send a message to her in the for m of TEXT.
This is an extremely useful function. i can be used for messages like.
"on my way, get yer fanny fresh"
"Start cooking, I'll be over in an hour"
Its handy because you can give direction and notification to women without having to go through the pleasantries and random bullsh!t of a telephone call.
This is an extremely useful function. i can be used for messages like.
"on my way, get yer fanny fresh"
"Start cooking, I'll be over in an hour"
Its handy because you can give direction and notification to women without having to go through the pleasantries and random bullsh!t of a telephone call.
Purefilth
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Pook said:
Thought of you here sage. maybe it helps maybe it don't.
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Your comments are disgusting and not welcome here. If you have racist comments/opinions then keep the filth inside you and do not disgust others with whatever damaged mentality you have.Down Low said:
sageproduct
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Thx
Think you guys were too quick to write this off and say she's not interested.
My communication with her has been very sporadic with her for the last few weeks, unintentionally so. I just haven't bothered to be timely in responding - I'd text her a bit, then take a day or two to respond, then tell her I'm calling but not do it until a couple days later.
We talked on the phone Sunday. IMO the conversation was boring as FWCK. But we made tentative plans to do something today, Wednesday.
I didn't bother to follow up with her, but today she contacted me to arrange plans. She's coming all the way out here to the city (an hour away) to see me, and we're doing something that won't cost me a penny.
Plate Spinning...
Am I a monogamist by nature? I care for the girl in my other thread, think about her all the time, and with the girl in this one I'm just going through the motions. It's the first time in my life that I've ever "had options"
Think you guys were too quick to write this off and say she's not interested.
My communication with her has been very sporadic with her for the last few weeks, unintentionally so. I just haven't bothered to be timely in responding - I'd text her a bit, then take a day or two to respond, then tell her I'm calling but not do it until a couple days later.
We talked on the phone Sunday. IMO the conversation was boring as FWCK. But we made tentative plans to do something today, Wednesday.
I didn't bother to follow up with her, but today she contacted me to arrange plans. She's coming all the way out here to the city (an hour away) to see me, and we're doing something that won't cost me a penny.
Plate Spinning...
Am I a monogamist by nature? I care for the girl in my other thread, think about her all the time, and with the girl in this one I'm just going through the motions. It's the first time in my life that I've ever "had options"