Data that proves that OLD is a complete waste of time.

[coyote_astro]

Was anyone else uncomfortable watching this? The dude definitely gives off a very awkward/weird vibe. Not surprised he’s struggling.

Yes, I think he's just very awkward in his social interactions and somehow creeps them out. He himself kinda said that.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

It's been a while since I've been on Tinder but I never found that to be the case.

I mean sexually aggressive.

 

[bat soup]

Here is an article that breaks down the true futility and time waste that is OLD in exhaustive detail. https://towardsdatascience.com/117-days-of-tinder-in-data-755fe9ed853e

TL;DR version: The guy swiped 16,591 times on tinder, got 290 matches and got three dates out of it. This is a 0.018% success rate in just getting a date, let alone there even being a second date.

How much time have you wasted swiping?

Data from the Massachusetts Institute of Inceldom has concluded that not only is OLD a waste of time, but women in general are a waste of time.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Since the topic of OLD has come up again, and to avoid opening a new thread, what are people's experiences with different apps?

I've been using Tinder, Bumble and recently signed up for Hinge.
Bumble has been giving me more matches for a while, and to my surprise Hinge seems to be giving even more numbers (but no dates yet).
Tinder has more hotties in the 18-22 age range, but I've no success there so far. I guess they are the ones that get an extreme overabundance of matches (and maybe their age settings are also lower).

Bumble/Hinge have more numbers of girls in their late 20s/early 30s, usually educated with a career etc. I seem to be performing better in that demographic, which kinda makes sense given my background.

I also wonder what the men/women ratio is in these various apps.

P.S.: I know OLD is in general trash, but I have to give it a shot due to COVID, and because I have recently moved to a metropolitan area in the US.

I don't disagree that OLD is garbage.

Another thread says pickup is a waste of time. This thread says OLD is a waste of time.


Is everyone becoming a mgtow lulz.

 

[SW15]

I mean sexually aggressive.

I never found Tinder gals as sexually aggressive when I was on there.

what are people's experiences with different apps?

I've been using Tinder, Bumble and recently signed up for Hinge.
Bumble has been giving me more matches for a while, and to my surprise Hinge seems to be giving even more numbers (but no dates yet).
Tinder has more hotties in the 18-22 age range, but I've no success there so far. I guess they are the ones that get an extreme overabundance of matches (and maybe their age settings are also lower).

Bumble/Hinge have more numbers of girls in their late 20s/early 30s, usually educated with a career etc. I seem to be performing better in that demographic, which kinda makes sense given my background.

I also wonder what the men/women ratio is in these various apps.

P.S.: I know OLD is in general trash, but I have to give it a shot due to COVID, and because I have recently moved to a metropolitan area in the US.

Men outnumber women badly in the 20s/30s age ranges on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge.

I would say that Bumble and Hinge are more careerist gals and more gals oriented towards more serious relationships, at least something medium term like 1 year or longer. Bumble women are more feminist because the app caters more towards the woman with stronger feminist beliefs.

 

[coyote_astro]

I don't disagree that OLD is garbage.

Another thread says pickup is a waste of time. This thread says OLD is a waste of time.


Is everyone becoming a mgtow lulz.

I personally think both are worth trying, with their pros cons. I prefer in-person interactions (name it 'game' or whatever) but others may disagree.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I personally think both are worth trying, with their pros cons. I prefer in-person interactions (name it 'game' or whatever) but others may disagree.

I 100% agree. Aaron Clarey put out data in the newest book and I bet black pill is foaming from the mouth. The numbers are brutal which again align with the stats you provided. The first problem is that, these women are not exclusive material anymore nor worthy of your name or any commitment. While I am libertarian, a man is free to come to Vegas or the red light and smash hookers. The ROI is trash playing with divorce rapey and the likes. I can't argue with the mentality. I don't play with it. Not for me. I approach. I rather take a L than pay. And I get it. You pay either way. It's more than anything that pursuit that is better than the sex a lot of times. I am learning it's the journey. Not the destination. Frankly, I don't think end game exists after going through the fire. I think married dating coaches are delusional.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I never found Tinder gals as sexually aggressive when I was on there.



Men outnumber women badly in the 20s/30s age ranges on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge.

I would say that Bumble and Hinge are more careerist gals and more gals oriented towards more serious relationships, at least something medium term like 1 year or longer. Bumble women are more feminist because the app caters more towards the woman with stronger feminist beliefs.

I think we missed the boat on tinder being epic. I know lads with trash game who did well from the inception of the apps. Horrible approach skill and tactics.

I have had better experience with the last few. I have seen better results approaching tbh. I am not Chad Tusk. I am fairly attractive. I am fit. I am on the grind and absolutely a mercenary in pickup.

I think far too many men are actually sweet but super beta guys. It don't matter if you are genuinely looking for a relationship with a good woman nor willing to provide. Women are very solopstic and cut throat. They are very hardened like a old boot. High bloody kill counts. She can't cook or clean. Is ok with murdering a baby or two. Won't care for you nor weeding your genes out of existence. Modern women are valueless. I am open to be proven wrong with my perspective. Nothing in pickup has suggested otherwise.

Enough game can really make you dislike women. A combat to the following is meditation. I blast off on trips. I explore consciousness and it ****ing knocks me sideways. It turns down the world volume. I also advice seeing humour and not taking things so seriously. I can count on a hand the amount of decent women. They get a call back. Won't ever commit. I will never marry. There's nothing like truly knowing female nature and treachery is not the right word but it is the first word to mind. It's actually quite funny.

 

[OldComeBacker]

This is one guy. it proves nothing. Tinder doesn't work for me tbh. I get likes and messages from women on other OLD, and I'm far from Chad. My matches on Match are more attractive than most of the chicks I get rejected by on Tinder, for example. FB dating is pretty easy to at least get matches and conversations going. One time I got 6 dates in 1 weekend from OKC. They weren't supermodels but they were younger and hotter than me. How I faired after that point was on me, not the app.

 

[coyote_astro]

Men outnumber women badly in the 20s/30s age ranges on Tinder, Bumble, and Hinge.

I would say that Bumble and Hinge are more careerist gals and more gals oriented towards more serious relationships, at least something medium term like 1 year or longer. Bumble women are more feminist because the app caters more towards the woman with stronger feminist beliefs.

What you say is more or less aligned with my experience in these apps.

I never spent too much time actually looking into this, but if it's true that the men/women ratio can get as high as 10/1, some girls might not even come across your profile for days/weeks. They can literally miss you in the ocean of d!cks . Especially on Tinder I would assume.

One good thing with Bumble is that the girl has selected you, meaning that there are 'in theory' higher chances of success. Of course the whole feminist element is a negative, but not all of them there are crazy about it..
I am an academic, so I guess it makes sense that these career-oriented type of girls show higher interest in me.

Another question: do you or anyone else have an idea about the age cut-offs young girls use? Meaning, is a 20-22 year old HB8 going to 'see' my 29yr old profile on Tinder, or do they restrict their range on younger ages, eg. <25 yr old men?
If that's the case, I don't wanna waste swipes and time on very young ones.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Personally I don't get how one can struggle with OLD, you spend 5 minutes, get a match or don't and you move on either way... If you are emotionally invested in dating, you should not be dating.

 

[SW15]

What you say is more or less aligned with my experience in these apps.

I never spent too much time actually looking into this, but if it's true that the men/women ratio can get as high as 10/1, some girls might not even come across your profile for days/weeks. They can literally miss you in the ocean of d!cks . Especially on Tinder I would assume.

Ocean of diccks is a good way to describe swipe apps. Not easy to stand out.

Another question: do you or anyone else have an idea about the age cut-offs young girls use? Meaning, is a 20-22 year old HB8 going to 'see' my 29yr old profile on Tinder, or do they restrict their range on younger ages, eg. <25 yr old men?
If that's the case, I don't wanna waste swipes and time on very young ones.

No one knows. Do you what's awesome about in-person approaching? The woman has to field the approach once you talk to her. You could go outside on a college campus and do some approaching. As long as you start the conversation, she has to listen for at least one second.

 

[KindredSpiritzz]

Maybe im just used to OLD having done it for almost 20 yrs now but i like it. I can have my morning coffee and peruse the women on POF or do some Tinder swiping while sitting on the sh*tter . I have kept track of my success rate.
In the past 18 months or so i have had
14 dates
7 of them were 1st date sex ( 1 I dated semi exclusively for 9 months )
3 were 2nd date sex
2 sex never happened
and 2 were fuglies so sex wasnt an option
These women were 4-7 category so nothing too impressive.
I have my best luck on POF and Tinder. Bumble has been a total disappointment and Hot or Not only netted me one.
Sometimes theres dry spells, sometimes its raining options. I really dont care anymore either way.
I did recently meet one that might have the potential to keep around so we'll see.

 

[MatureDJ]

Im willing to bet most of what the successful guys are pulling are 5-7s at best.
The trash on swipes in my area are horrendous. Shyt went downhill in about 2015.
Large cities are naturally better but zny guy can date uo by doing it offline if you have the personality.

It was actually good prior to 2015?

 

[MatureDJ]

I heard a stat like men spend upwards of 90min swiping per day. What a waste. 200000 swipes and little to no success. I am not saying don't. I am saying, this fellas can spend a lot of time on something else with far better ROI. Get the bag.

Their grandfathers would spend their free time at home knocking down some cold ones watching TV while wifey cleaned up after dinner.

You could say that Tinder is the new "Boob Tube".

 

[MatureDJ]

Maybe im just used to OLD having done it for almost 20 yrs now but i like it. I can have my morning coffee and peruse the women on POF or do some Tinder swiping while sitting on the sh*tter .

Well, then!

 

[MatureDJ]

You could go outside on a college campus and do some approaching. As long as you start the conversation, she has to listen for at least one second.

More like 3 seconds after she replies with "FVCK OFF".

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Their grandfathers would spend their free time at home knocking down some cold ones watching TV while wifey cleaned up after dinner.

You could say that Tinder is the new "Boob Tube".

It's ****ed. my grandmother married my grandfather who never made an money. he is a manlet by the metrics of today but is alpha as ****kkk. rip. came from a Era when men were still men.