Crips Leader Executed...Was it Justifiable?
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Centaurion
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Judge Dredd approach.
Simple. Easy. Streamlined.
Simple. Easy. Streamlined.
TheInfamousCBear
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Allow me to vent in this thread...
The reason why people were trying to defend him was because they feel he didnt get a fair trial and he was set up by racist cops and an all white jury...If he did, that sucks but does anyone honestly think they were gonna let him live anyway? Cmon, if youre a black male, you know the game, if you give someone a damn papercut you get 10 years, this guy started one of the biggest gangs ever...I try to avoid the system so much that I cant even hit someone in the jaw cause I dont want those filthy pigs hands on me, Id rather die than go to jail, cause when you get out, youre branded and you cant even work, cause little piece of sh1t $7 an hour jobs are doing backround checks now...
If anything, this should be a lesson to young black/lation males to stay out of the system...Im so sick of these black kids that grow up in the damn burbs thinking that they are street just because they are black, and they look at me funny cause Im not in to all of that anymore and I moved on to other sh1t...So even though they dont have the same problems as poorer black people, they still go to jail and do stupid sh1t when they could be bringing the race up...Who's fault is it? Black people let the media think that if you arnt from the street, youre not black, and everyone follows that sh1t, even white people think that if you dont use slang and whatnot, you arnt black, that started back in the 70's...Happens to people in my family all the time, and most of us lived in the projects or whatever you want to call it, its just that you move on to other sh1t...
Oh yeah, and God forbid you dont do things the same as every other black person, cause you wont get any love, sorry I dont wear fitteds 24/7 and long ass shirts looking like dresses...That sh1t is so stupid, like thats whats being black is about...No wonder black people die from heart attacks and shi1t, were always stressed out about sh1t like this...
So whats the moral of the story? If youre a black male, stay the fukk out of trouble, dont get arrested or whatever cause you might get set up, and even if you try to do good later, noone cares...
The reason why people were trying to defend him was because they feel he didnt get a fair trial and he was set up by racist cops and an all white jury...If he did, that sucks but does anyone honestly think they were gonna let him live anyway? Cmon, if youre a black male, you know the game, if you give someone a damn papercut you get 10 years, this guy started one of the biggest gangs ever...I try to avoid the system so much that I cant even hit someone in the jaw cause I dont want those filthy pigs hands on me, Id rather die than go to jail, cause when you get out, youre branded and you cant even work, cause little piece of sh1t $7 an hour jobs are doing backround checks now...
If anything, this should be a lesson to young black/lation males to stay out of the system...Im so sick of these black kids that grow up in the damn burbs thinking that they are street just because they are black, and they look at me funny cause Im not in to all of that anymore and I moved on to other sh1t...So even though they dont have the same problems as poorer black people, they still go to jail and do stupid sh1t when they could be bringing the race up...Who's fault is it? Black people let the media think that if you arnt from the street, youre not black, and everyone follows that sh1t, even white people think that if you dont use slang and whatnot, you arnt black, that started back in the 70's...Happens to people in my family all the time, and most of us lived in the projects or whatever you want to call it, its just that you move on to other sh1t...
Oh yeah, and God forbid you dont do things the same as every other black person, cause you wont get any love, sorry I dont wear fitteds 24/7 and long ass shirts looking like dresses...That sh1t is so stupid, like thats whats being black is about...No wonder black people die from heart attacks and shi1t, were always stressed out about sh1t like this...
So whats the moral of the story? If youre a black male, stay the fukk out of trouble, dont get arrested or whatever cause you might get set up, and even if you try to do good later, noone cares...
Phoenix_of_the_ashes
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Arnold will always be the Terminator.
frivolousz21
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ok you are 15 so I will let it go...
but wat r u talking about???
so i vote primarily democrat..how does that make me a follower of Jesse Jackson?
could u please help me understand?
if u murder in cold blood then you deserve to get murdered in cold blood.
Even if he didnt commit all 4 of those murders, you know damn well that dude has done some dirt in his past.
Regardless of the justice system or racism or conspiracys and setups...1 thing remains clear.
You cannot escape the realm of karma and bad sh1t will come back to you.
Even if he didnt commit all 4 of those murders, you know damn well that dude has done some dirt in his past.
Regardless of the justice system or racism or conspiracys and setups...1 thing remains clear.
You cannot escape the realm of karma and bad sh1t will come back to you.
DonJuanMonk
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If I killed your entire family which is 4-5 people, and you are the last relative alive. And I spent 10-25 years dabbling religion and stuff cause JAIL is REALLY REALLY BORING would you forgive me? Or would you think that my punishment was long overdue.
Just cause time has past and someone has "supposedly" redeemed himself doesn't mean he should be let go of the punishment which was way over due.
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I definitely don't think that's the moral of this story. I'm sure you could easily find an example of a black person (or anyone for that matter) being crushed in the teeth of the system, but I fail to see how this applies to Tookie Williams. Race has nothing to do with it. He's guilty. He's had 20 years of appeals, in numerous courts. The death penalty is legal in California. If you don't like that, then try to change it through legislation or elections.
Besides, what's the point of the death penalty if all you have to do to get out of it is write a couple of children's books?? That's easy. Ted Bundy could have written a book called Hey Kids, Don't Murder Random Women.
ROFL... Get back to me when someone kills your daughter, and writes a childs book making it seem like he's redeemed himself. Once you rape someone or are a reason for murder(s), you don't deserve to live on this planet. The fact that you're defending a thug is pitiful.
Mature people realize that "people" are just defending a thug. You're literally defending an American terrorist. Think again, (as mature people do, they listen to the opinions of others) if OBL wrote a children's book and spoke out against Al-Qaeda, does he deserve to die or not? Again, your logic makes no sense, and you're just not thinking properly if you can say to me that the American version of OBL is worth keeping on this Earth.
When the figureheads of your party are Jesse Jackson and Howard Dean, you need to consider reworking your party. There's a reason why even with the problems in Iraq and the problems the Republican party has, that people are avoiding the Democrat party all over America (except for New England). Hell, look at the state of California... they impeached their own kind.
something that really pisses me off is that a child rapist who destroy not only four childrens lives but also theyr familys lives will only get like 15 - 30 years and then put back into the streets to do the same **** again....
while tookie , did kill 4 people and did start the biggest gang in the westside or whatever, i believe he would have been more useful alive then dead.... i dont care if he had truly redeemed himself , i cannot know that , its only he that knows that , but what i do know is that he has helped alot of children and kids out of the hole gang mentality , and that was more important than giving him the chair..... rather then killing him the governor should have given him a life long sentence without parole , he would have been more useful that way.....
and the guy who said about the cain and able stuff , caine killed able because god asked them to give to him what they loved most , able gave his sheep/s, abraham gave his crops and caine gave his brother , but then was banished from paradise for doing soo.... thats the story i heard .... btw im not a christian.....
while tookie , did kill 4 people and did start the biggest gang in the westside or whatever, i believe he would have been more useful alive then dead.... i dont care if he had truly redeemed himself , i cannot know that , its only he that knows that , but what i do know is that he has helped alot of children and kids out of the hole gang mentality , and that was more important than giving him the chair..... rather then killing him the governor should have given him a life long sentence without parole , he would have been more useful that way.....
and the guy who said about the cain and able stuff , caine killed able because god asked them to give to him what they loved most , able gave his sheep/s, abraham gave his crops and caine gave his brother , but then was banished from paradise for doing soo.... thats the story i heard .... btw im not a christian.....
frivolousz21
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its NOT MY PARTY!
how hard is that or you to understand?????
just because you dont like GW or other republican poloticians doenst have anything to do with being a "liberal"
they impeached there own kind?
they impeached a bad govener....it doenst matter if he is black, white, oragnge, dem, repub...if he is bad he is bad.
when your older you might understand things arent black and white
See, the second you have to rely on the race card to justify not killing a thug, you really don't deserve an opinion. I'll agree that blacks get it harder, but to tell me that a black man deserves easier punishment than a white man because he's black and he has "connections" or wrote a book, I wonder how sick the race card has become.
btw, I'm 75% Latino (Cuban).
btw, I'm 75% Latino (Cuban).
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WORKEROUTER
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He was valuable because he could connect to so many youth who are at the same points in their life as he once was. They don't want to listen to some cozy-ass suburban youth organizer who keeps preaching the same bullsh*t. Williams killed four innocent people, and that's never going to change, whether he lives or not.
Let me ask you something. What REALLY was accomplished by killing him? If he was somehow damaging society, and so his absence would have benefited us all, I could agree that him being gone had a purpose.
But I don't see him affecting society in any way but positive. And that's why I think he did NOT need to be executed.
In response to the hypothetical "what if YOUR family was killed by this guy...how would you feel THEN?" I'm going to answer honestyly. I would be angry. My base instincts would be released, and I would feel a sort of primitive rage to make me want this man dead. But this is only because it satisfies this need of "revenge."
However, I'm looking at this from a logical standpoint, with a view that penetrates farther than base human instincts and emotion. And with this in mind I simply can't support killing him.
Let me ask you something. What REALLY was accomplished by killing him? If he was somehow damaging society, and so his absence would have benefited us all, I could agree that him being gone had a purpose.
But I don't see him affecting society in any way but positive. And that's why I think he did NOT need to be executed.
In response to the hypothetical "what if YOUR family was killed by this guy...how would you feel THEN?" I'm going to answer honestyly. I would be angry. My base instincts would be released, and I would feel a sort of primitive rage to make me want this man dead. But this is only because it satisfies this need of "revenge."
However, I'm looking at this from a logical standpoint, with a view that penetrates farther than base human instincts and emotion. And with this in mind I simply can't support killing him.
exactly I totally agree with you mate....
as i said before he would have been more useful alive then dead..... And another governor would prolly have atleast considered letting him live , but since the terminator already knew that he was loosings votes for the next election , he had to do something drastic.... ANd i think he is perhaps a little nazi , hey his father was a nazi , so he may have some of the same beliefs as his father did, unfortunately we still have people who secretly are nazis......
It wasn't even like I called you a homosexual. I called you a Democrat, get over it.
Umm... 99% of the time it does. Sorry buddy, but is black and white when it comes to what side you hold your allegiance to. You may not agree with a lot of what one party says, but the second you vote for one party mainly because you don't like a lot of the members in the party or don't agree with them a lot of the time, you will be placed in the box of those opposing that party. You may not like it, but you're really either one side or the other when it comes to politics...
I love when people make my age an issue, yet they can't complete a post without a spelling or grammar error. Hey, it's "you're" not "your". It's also quite clear that you can't stand to be labeled something... something a lot of n00bs to politics hate. Sounds to me that despite my age, I have more knowledge of English grammar and politics than you do.
Wow... want to help society? Kill this guy. You just shot the moral of a bunch of thugs feeling like they get bribe their way into lesser sentences. The crips just got pwned by the state.
Want another thing to know? These kids live in the God damn ghetto. Assuming they know how to read, you think they're going to spend their money on his book rather than buy some porno magazine? You can't be serious. Last I checked, kids in the ghetto with 1 parent aren't spending their allowance on some book. Dude, get a reality pill.
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