Covid-19 = Flu

[taiyuu_otoko]

According to Dr. Fauci

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

 

[sosousage]

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%.

but you dont know number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases.

as of now, out of all confirmed cases (included dead) worldwide, 5% is dead and slowly growing (though in some countries deaths count grow really fast, like by one percent more of all infected (in that country) per day)

does normal FLU kill thousands of people daily in just one country (e.g italy/spain/more to come) ? id say not

 

[corrector]

The editorial was published on February 28, 2020. This is before the staggering death-toll in Italy, Span and before the events this week. Allot of people are retracting what they thought about the virus from before March 15th so its a dated article right now.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Covid 19 is sars 2.0, a different strain. There are 5 strains of covid 19 circulating right now, as far as what is known.

 

[Bible_Belt]

How do we incorporate those who have it and have not been tested or accounted for?

Iceland tested everyone and found that 50 percent of the positives were asymptomatic. Data from south korea showed that about a third of people in their 20s who test positive are asymptomatic. I'm not sure south korea had the resources to test everyone in the country like iceland did. It's asymptomatic spreaders who drive the epidemic.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The best link to follow the spread is here:

COVID Live Update: 140,631,409 Cases and 3,014,746 Deaths from the Coronavirus - Worldometer

Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...

www.worldometers.info

You can narrow it by country, Italy and Spains new cases are what I check each day. They have not shown signs of slowing.

Iceland's testing suggests 50% of COVID-19 cases are asymptomatic

The small nation might have an important lesson about the pandemic.

www.zmescience.com

 

[zekko]

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

There has to be a lot of people who are infected but haven't tested, so I wouldn't be shocked if the fatality rate was actually under 1%. The fatality rate for New York actually dipped under 1% a few days ago, then went back up.

This current virus appears to be nastier than the flu though, which has a fairly low mortality rate. The key word in the above is severe influenza or pandemic influenza. The 1957 flu outbreak (N2H2) had a mortality rate of 0.6% and killed 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 people in the US. That could be within the parameters of this virus. I am actually too young to remember that one - I don't get a chance to say that very often. The above was from this article:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/26/cor...eres-how-it-stacks-up-to-other-pandemics.html

When I first heard of the coronavirus I confess I had no idea it would affect us the way it has. Mainly because they were very similar to the warnings we heard about SARS and N1H1. But the article above points out the differences: The previous SARS virus was only contagious once the person started showing symptoms, and N1H1 turned out to only have a lethality rate of 0.02%.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Who the hell knows what's going on.

But this is interesting:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

I've read opinions (from people who allegedly know people, etc.) on other forums that many deaths are being attributed to Covid-19, but they aren't entirely positive.

I've also read other articles, blogs etc. that people dying from Covid-19 were pretty close to death anyway, that was just the final push they needed.

 

[zekko]

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

Makes sense since most people have some kind of medical condition, and it allows their immune system to get overrun. Still, 99% is a lot.

The article below that one caught my eye, which talked about the possibility of 200,000 deaths in the US. I had heard a number of about 100,000 earlier today. I kind of feel we might be lucky if it "only" falls in that range, but that again compares similarly to the 1957 flu, which killed 116,000. But bear in mind the population has doubled since then.

I'm certainly no epidemiologist, but I just wonder about what happens when we loosen the restrictions, if everything just all starts up again, considering this is so contagious. Makes me wonder if we're just creating a situation where this is with us for a far longer time. Cuomo said he hoped the warmer weather will kill it, but that's speculation.

 

[Shrubber101]

Why is covid not killing the young?

 

[Spaz]

Makes sense since most people have some kind of medical condition, and it allows their immune system to get overrun. Still, 99% is a lot.

The article below that one caught my eye, which talked about the possibility of 200,000 deaths in the US. I had heard a number of about 100,000 earlier today. I kind of feel we might be lucky if it "only" falls in that range, but that again compares similarly to the 1957 flu, which killed 116,000. But bear in mind the population has doubled since then.

I'm certainly no epidemiologist, but I just wonder about what happens when we loosen the restrictions, if everything just all starts up again, considering this is so contagious. Makes me wonder if we're just creating a situation where this is with us for a far longer time. Cuomo said he hoped the warmer weather will kill it, but that's speculation.

Warm weather doesn't kill it, re: Iran or SEA.

Even with a low mortality rate of say 1%, with a population of an est. 330 million, that's 3 million deaths.

Hence the reasoning behind the need to lock down high infection areas.

Trump should hv locked down NY and contain the spread.

If the infection is too widespread, then all you guys could do will be just enacting ur mitigation plans.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Why is covid not killing the young?

California, Illinois, and New York have all reported at least one death of a minor.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Who the hell knows what's going on.

But this is interesting:

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

www.bloomberg.com

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

Obesity is a pre existing condition, and it alone includes about half of US residents. Very young, very old, smoker, diabetic...there are a lot of pre existing conditions that make covid 19 worse.

 

[stovepipe]

Covid has less than 0.5-1% or so death rate. What the media is not telling you is if you die from a heart attack for example and had tested positive for Covid, they legally list the death being from the virus not the heart attack. Same goes for other underlying health issues.

Most MSM is lying about how serious it is to create panic and fear. Stations were caught using hospital photos from other countries saying they were hospitals from here in the US. One outlet even used a photo from a movie in 2018 that had a warehouse full of coffins. A video of a nurse yelling at 2 government agents wearing hazmat suits for reporting one of her patients died from the virus when said patient is alive. If you knew how much fake news there is it would blow your mind.

The shut down across the globe is meant for the biggest mass arrests in history (from my research). Will it actually happen I truly dont know, but all the clues being dropped by the POTUS sure does look like it. Why do you think they are trying to impeach Trump? The Deep State pay big money for fake news to brainwash the public in hating him know whats coming. It's no secret the world is being run by Satanic cult pedophiles. What's been going on behind the scenes by these evil Elites is something most people would never even imagine, nor want to believe. If you do your own research to find the truth its all there. It's not different than taking the red pill when it comes to women. Follow the money trail as they say.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

Very young, very old, smoker, diabetic...there are a lot of pre existing conditions that make covid 19 worse.

Italy data is not nearly as terrifying as they make it out to be.

Italy: Only 12% of “Covid19 deaths” list Covid19 as cause

The way Italy registers deaths explains their increased coronavirus case/fatality ratio, according to one expert and a report from Italy’s National Institute of Health (ISS).

off-guardian.org

The way in which we code deaths in our country is very generous in the sense that all the people who die in hospitals with the coronavirus are deemed to be dying of the coronavirus […] On re-evaluation by the National Institute of Health, only 12 per cent of death certificates have shown a direct causality from coronavirus, while 88 per cent of patients who have died have at least one pre-morbidity – many had two or three

According to this report (https://www.epicentro.iss.it/coronavirus/bollettino/Report-COVID-2019_26_marzo_eng.pdf) only 2.1 percent of deaths in Italy are associated with zero comorbidity.

And then there's this:

Confirmed Coronavirus Cases Is an ‘Almost Meaningless’ Metric

(Bloomberg Opinion) -- It doesn’t matter that the United States surpassed China this week in reported Covid-19 cases because those numbers (83,507 and 81,782 respectively as of March 26) don’t tell us how many people actually became infected in either country. Nor do they tell us how fast the...

finance.yahoo.com

The numbers are almost meaningless,” says Steve Goodman, a professor of epidemiology at Stanford University. There’s a huge reservoir of people who have mild cases, and would not likely seek testing, he says. The rate of increase in positive results reflect a mixed-up combination of increased testing rates and spread of the virus.

We will need more complete data, smarter data and more coordinated data to communicate something meaningful about the extent of Covid-19 in the United States, how many people are likely to die, which hospitals are likely to be swamped and whether drastic changes in the way Americans live will start to slow down the spread of the virus.

With a population of 1.5 billion people, China’s some 80,000 cases look like a rounding error, says Nigam Shah, an assistant professor of biomedical statistics at Stanford. And India’s claim of some 754 cases probably reflects a severe lack of tests — not that the disease there is still so rare. The positive tests say little about how many people are dying or will die, since most cases are mild.

More Dissenters

12 Experts Questioning the Coronavirus Panic

Here is our list of twelve medical experts whose opinions on the Coronavirus outbreak contradict the official narratives of the MSM, and the memes so prevalent on social media.

off-guardian.org

Dr Sucharit Bhakdi is a specialist in microbiology. He was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history.

What he says:

We are afraid that 1 million infections with the new virus will lead to 30 deaths per day over the next 100 days. But we do not realise that 20, 30, 40 or 100 patients positive for normal coronaviruses are already dying every day.
[The government’s anti-COVID19 measures] are grotesque, absurd and very dangerous […] The life expectancy of millions is being shortened. The horrifying impact on the world economy threatens the existence of countless people. The consequences on medical care are profound. Already services to patients in need are reduced, operations cancelled, practices empty, hospital personnel dwindling. All this will impact profoundly on our whole society.
All these measures are leading to self-destruction and collective suicide based on nothing but a spook.

 

[Shrubber101]

Basically they're deliberately blurring the difference between causation and correlation to come up with huge death tolls to frighten us.

 

[Spaz]

Basically they're deliberately blurring the difference between causation and correlation to come up with huge death tolls to frighten us.

So brave.

So which hospital have you volunteered to assist?

 

[Shrubber101]

So brave.

So which hospital have you volunteered to assist?

I already work in a hospital

 

[Spaz]

I already work in a hospital

It must be comfy in ur current position.

Which department are you attached?

 

[Shrubber101]

I work all over the wards. Currently 12 people with covid.
Covid isn't the problem. It's staff having to self isolate all the time becouse there's no test that counts your covid level. All they can do is detect corona dna, which most people have anyway.
NHS is always desperately short staffed. Now. It's even worse. It's not covid killing people, it's governments response to it.
If we get a case of it outside ICU, all of us on the ward goes into lockdown. Nobody comes in and nobody leaves.
Every time I go into work I wonder if today is the day I don't get to go home.
But I get to go to Tescos before it's open to the public so it's not all bad.