Covid-19 = Flu

[Bible_Belt]

I work all over the wards. Currently 12 people with covid.
Covid isn't the problem. It's staff having to self isolate all the time becouse there's no test that counts your covid level. All they can do is detect corona dna, which most people have anyway.
NHS is always desperately short staffed. Now. It's even worse. It's not covid killing people, it's governments response to it.
If we get a case of it outside ICU, all of us on the ward goes into lockdown. Nobody comes in and nobody leaves.
Every time I go into work I wonder if today is the day I don't get to go home.
But I get to go to Tescos before it's open to the public so it's not all bad.

Good luck, man.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The further bad news is that this is being politicized to the point that governors would rather let the the most vulnerable members of their populations die, than to follow the President's treatment advice, which they've dishonestly discredited as "fish tank clearer," rather than the FDA medication that it already is.

^^^ Another lie. Don't spread misinformation.

The good news regarding COVID-19 is the U.S. growth curve is showing early signs of flattening. New cases will continue pop up each day but the rate of growth is slowing, especially in the metro NYC area. The social distancing is helping.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The lie:

The further bad news is that this is being politicized to the point that governors would rather let the the most vulnerable members of their populations die, than to follow the President's treatment advice

Anti-malaria drugs are not clinically approved treatment for COVID-19.

The obvious meaning of that is that it's much milder, and much more widespread than predicted. I'd frankly be surprised if a third of the country hasn't already had this. Now, the governors need to stop politicking, and let the President cure the critically ill.

Keep trying to re-write a false narrative. The curve is starting to flatten due to social distancing. The disease is still spreading, albeit less aggressively than its trajectory last week.

 

[zekko]

The flak over that malaria drug disgusts me. Trump mentioned it, in a speech, like "Our doctors our looking at different treatments, here's one that shows potential". And people wanted to attack him, so they started saying the drug was useless so they could blame him for promoting it. Then Trump's people doubled down on it, and it became a political thing. Seriously, who gives a sh!t? It either works or it doesn't, so use it or don't accordingly. It's not like the president is out there prescribing the stuff.

The country should be pulling together to get through this, but all people want to do is point fingers.

I tested positive for the coronavirus and the symptoms lasted for about a week.

When did you get tested, after you were sick? Glad you got better. You're fairly young, at my age it would probably hit me a lot harder.
You make a good point about anxiety. It's hard enough being sick with a flu, I'm sure it's worse when you start wondering if you're going to die or not. And stress impairs the immune system.

And in the end, their stats came out looking like the flu virus.

It's worse than the flu. South Korea did a lot of testing, so their numbers are pretty good. Their death rate was a little over 1%. The death rate for flu is around 0.1%.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Do you EVER get tired of being wrong? Take off the hate goggles, and you'll see more clearly.

I am correct. You are wrong. Your source even says I'm correct.

The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence. The agency allowed for the drugs to be "donated to the Strategic National Stockpile to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible,"

President Donald Trump’s all-out push to advance unproven coronavirus treatments is deepening a divide between the White House and career health officials, who are being pulled away from other potential projects to address the president’s hunch that decades-old malaria medicines can be coronavirus cures.

President Donald Trump’s excitement about decades-old anti-malarial drugs to treat the coronavirus has touched off widespread interest in the medications, hoarding by some doctors, new clinical trials on the fly and desperation among patients who take them for other conditions. Many experts say there isn’t enough evidence that the drugs work for the coronavirus, but at least a few say there’s little to lose in giving hydroxychloroquine to patients who are severely ill with coronavirus.

Notice how @ShePays altered the content of my post:

Anti-malaria drugs are not clinically approved treatment for COVID-19.

Anti-malaria drugs are not approved treatment for COVID-19.

Stop the lies.

 

[EyeBRollin]

The flak over that malaria drug disgusts me. Trump mentioned it, in a speech, like "Our doctors our looking at different treatments, here's one that shows potential". And people wanted to attack him, so they started saying the drug was useless so they could blame him for promoting it. Then Trump's people doubled down on it, and it became a political thing. Seriously, who gives a sh!t? It either works or it doesn't, so use it or don't accordingly. It's not like the president is out there prescribing the stuff.

The country should be pulling together to get through this, but all people want to do is point fingers.


When did you get tested, after you were sick? Glad you got better. You're fairly young, at my age it would probably hit me a lot harder.
You make a good point about anxiety. It's hard enough being sick with a flu, I'm sure it's worse when you start wondering if you're going to die or not. And stress impairs the immune system.


It's worse than the flu. South Korea did a lot of testing, so their numbers are pretty good. Their death rate was a little over 1%. The death rate for flu is around 0.1%.

I think the concern among health professionals and politicians not friendly to Trump is more about if these drugs become widely used to treat coronavirus and are marginally successful or unsuccessful that they would take the supply from patients who use them for other conditions. An anology would be like if they started using anti-viral HIV drugs, and HIV positive folks wouldn't be able purchase them.

 

[zekko]

I think the concern among health professionals and politicians not friendly to Trump is more about if these drugs become widely used to treat coronavirus and are marginally successful or unsuccessful that they would take the supply from patients who use them for other conditions.

Yes, I'm sure that having everyone's best interests at heart is the main motivating factor.

 

[Spaz]

According to Dr. Fauci

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2002387

If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively.

According to ur own Dr. Fauci the current virus is at least 10x deadly then the normal flu.

Since u r one of our more famous nerds around here, then numbers will be ur language.

Let's assume the mortality rate is @1% (base on the model generated by Korea) and the entire US population is infected = 3.3 million deaths.

Even with a 50% discount that's a staggering amount for a country to lose within a month or two or even 5 months.

Even the commies who prefers smaller population, they balked at the numbers of potential deaths, hence the Chinese put in draconian lockdowns.

Which is why American institutions are doing the best they can right now to flatten the curve.

Hence social distancing - the reasons for the lockdowns.

Remember, the normal flu virus is ALREADY widespread throughout the world, there's already some form of herd immunity.

Sure they are many who carries the current virus without so much as a cough, you could one of the lucky ones.

But that doesn't mean nor gives you the right to wash over those that's vulnerable to it.

And because of this too, the world economy is going into a tailspin and take a year or maybe a few to recover - low income people will be poorer for it, losing what little they already have.

 

[RickTheToad]

More deadly is pushing it. It's more contagious, but more deadly? No. It seems to target people who have major respiratory issues. Those people w/o a ventilator, have minimal chance of beating the virus. With the ventilator, 70% - 80%. Most people who catch it will be just fine. Here's a secret, don't touch your face w/o washing them first and a person should be okay. This virus has killed around 40k around the world. The flu kills over 600k every year; and it doesn't discriminate. The media is the real virus, not the virus itself. F uck, I saw a female in a bubble and another one in a hazmat suit the other day. One person in the post office is so crazy, she wears gloves, a mask (open sides - so not effective) and has a barrier around her station. Unreal.

 

[Spaz]

More deadly is pushing it. It's more contagious, but more deadly? No. It seems to target people who have major respiratory issues. Those people w/o a ventilator, have minimal chance of beating the virus. With the ventilator, 70% - 80%. Most people who catch it will be just fine. Here's a secret, don't touch your face w/o washing them first and a person should be okay. This virus has killed around 40k around the world. The flu kills over 600k every year; and it doesn't discriminate. The media is the real virus, not the virus itself. F uck, I saw a female in a bubble and another one in a hazmat suit the other day. One person in the post office is so crazy, she wears gloves, a mask (open sides - so not effective) and has a barrier around her station. Unreal.

Top US health official says the coronavirus is 10 times 'more lethal' than the seasonal flu

"I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

www.google.com

That's what ur own top scientist is saying.

And all the other countries top scientists are saying too.

Which is why ALL countries are basically taking proactive measures to deal with this VS the normal flu.

BTW what's ur standing within the scientific community to suggest otherwise?

 

[EyeBRollin]

You should learn to read.

I deleted your superfluous word because it made your statement nonsensical. I was just going to give you the benefit of the doubt, and attribute it to your confusing clinical trials for an off-label purpose, with whether the drug was already FDA approved, and available to legally prescribe for off-label purposes; but, since the FDA had already provided emergency approval specifically for COVID-19, I didn't see any need to compound your embarrassment over what I assumed was an innocent error, rather than a deliberate effort to obfuscate. However, since you made a big deal about my unmuddling your language for you...you should quit before you further embarrass yourself.

Precision is important. Your assumption was asinine. There's a big difference between drugs being clinically approved vs. suggested by a President with no pharmaceutical expertise.

What's truly amazing is how much you claim to care about all the people dying, and how you've estimated the death toll to reach into the millions, in the US alone.

I'm in the fact spreading business. That wasn't my estimation, it was a projection from British scientists. Right now, Trump's own scientists are projecting 100,000-240,000 deaths from COVID-19, which is with social distancing.

Yet, when there's an FDA approved opportunity to save lives, you suddenly aren't interested.

The FDA approved drugs that have not yet been clinically tested.

Why is that? Every year fewer people die of malaria, worldwide, than died in the 2009 Swine Flu outbreak that you don't seem to give a shiit about. Even if saving the millions of people who'll inevitably die of Kung Flu, in the US alone, according to you, did mean that a few malaria patients didn't get their medication, wouldn't it be with it, Doc? Your compassion is a fraud. You're just praying for a high bodycount. SMH.

Here comes the deflection. You're unraveling like a ball of yarn. The virus keeps spreading despite your persistent efforts to downplay it.

The medication is cheap and plentiful, and off-label prescriptions are a common practice in medicine, even without FDA approval, which this drug has. You have your head so far up your a ss that your hate goggles are probably the only thing keeping you from getting pinkeye.

Back to the personal attacks. You have nothing more to add. Are we done here?

 

[EyeBRollin]

So, my assumption that you made an innocent error, and that you weren't intentionally trying to muddy the issue with your unclear language was incorrect? I'm sorry to learn that, but so noted.

For the record, then, were you trying to say that the FDA hasn't "approved clinical trials" of hydroxychloroquine, for the treatment of COVID-19, or were you trying to say that the FDA hasn't approved hydroxychloroquine, for off-label treatment of COVID-19? Please, clarify your intention, since you've objected to my attempt to unmuddle your language... because your original statement, as it stands, that hydroxychloroquine isn't "clinically approved" is gibberish.

Either way, of course, you're still wrong.

That was an obvious strawman argument. You deliberately altered the content of my post. No one is surprised that you lied again.

 

[RickTheToad]

Top US health official says the coronavirus is 10 times 'more lethal' than the seasonal flu

"I can say we will see more cases and things will get worse than they are right now," said Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.

www.google.com

That's what ur own top scientist is saying.

And all the other countries top scientists are saying too.

Which is why ALL countries are basically taking proactive measures to deal with this VS the normal flu.

BTW what's ur standing within the scientific community to suggest otherwise?

Well, as an ER PA, I can tell you what we're experiencing and what all the docs and specialists in the CT hospital network as stating from real world on the ground experience. I never listen or trust politicians. Fauci has become a politician. After-all, he's been there since 1984. As of today, most docs, nurses and PA's are negative for COVID-19. Simple precautions help mitigate the spread and risk. However, if a person wants to believe the chicken little theory, they are more than welcomed to do so.

 

[zekko]

There's a big difference between drugs being clinically approved vs. suggested by a President with no pharmaceutical experience.

Trump originally mentioned it as something doctors were looking at. He didn't come up with the idea himself. The fact that it became a political football (on both sides) is frankly ridiculous.

 

[Spaz]

Well, as an ER PA, I can tell you what we're experiencing and what all the docs and specialists in the CT hospital network as stating from real world on the ground experience. I never listen or trust politicians. Fauci has become a politician. After-all, he's been there since 1984. As of today, most docs, nurses and PA's are negative for COVID-19. Simple precautions help mitigate the spread and risk. However, if a person wants to believe the chicken little theory, they are more than welcomed to do so.

Ur lack of trust in ur nations politicians or even towards ur own news media has distorted ur reality.

You're a medical assistant, in the old days we call those men who prescribes panadols in rural areas as Dressers, hardly someone I would call an expert in infectious diseases.

It's akin to a tire shop assistant trying to impress me with how to build engines.

Fauci might be political but it cannot be the entire world's top health officials are politicking this too.

You need to be careful with what you say on here, some of the men here even believes that by not fapping they get super powers, some even believes the earth is flat, the moon landings are a hoax and there's gonna be invasions just because some whack job in the dark web said so.

It's not helpful when ur messages, although it might mean something else is interpreted differently by others - thus instead of practicing social distancing, they go about unknowingly spreading it around.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Trump originally mentioned it as something doctors were looking at. He didn't come up with the idea himself. The fact that it became a political football (on both sides) is frankly ridiculous.

That's called a gimmick. The solution to COVID-19 is social distancing until a vaccine can be conceived. The miracle drug idea is throwing an idea at the wall hoping it will stick. People resort to gimmicks when they are unprepared.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Ur lack of trust in ur nations politicians or even towards ur own news media has distorted ur reality.

You're a medical assistant, in the old days we call those men who prescribes panadols in rural areas as Dressers, hardly someone I would call an expert in infectious diseases.

It's akin to a tire shop assistant trying to impress me with how to build engines.

Fauci might be political but it cannot be the entire world's top health officials are politicking this too.

You need to be careful with what you say on here, some of the men here even believes that by not fapping they get super powers, some even believes the earth is flat, the moon landings are a hoax and there's gonna be invasions just because some whack job in the dark web said so.

It's not helpful when ur messages, although it might mean something else is interpreted differently by others - thus instead of practicing social distancing, they go about unknowingly spreading it around.

In Rick's defense, a physician's assistant in the us is more important than it sounds. The job is one notch below doctor. There are PAs in rural areas who make more money than doctors.

I dont agree with rick about much, but I do respect his education and experience.

 

[Spaz]

In Rick's defense, a physician's assistant in the us is more important than it sounds. The job is one notch below doctor. There are PAs in rural areas who make more money than doctors.

I dont agree with rick about much, but I do respect his education and experience.

I'm not talking abt his job, I'm talking abt his expertise in infectious diseases, in particular the research towards it.

It's best that people who has limited knowledge nor expertise on it refer to those that do.

We have to trust those with the experience and also the expertise.

That's their job and their responsibility.

It's how the way the world works and also it's good practice in this pandemic.

If we all go about doing things as we like, ignoring our own health department guidelines and needlessly say this virus is as simple as the common flu then that's extremely irresponsible to those that's vulnerable - both physically, emotionally and also economically.

Going forward, there's going to be countless of hardships being faced by many.

From those that's carrying the emotional scars of the death of love ones, will take time to be productive to those that lost their jobs and worried how to make ends meet.

The faster everyone comes together and be more responsible the faster we all can beat this.

It's not the health care workers at the front lines, they are actually the last line of defense.

You, me and everyone else are the actual front liners.

 

[derby1]

i th

xanax and suddenly the labored breathing completely dissapeared

i thought xanax shut your breathing down

 

[Georgepithyou]

I suspect i may have gotten it, got tested and waiting for results
Dry cough
Shortness of breath at night