Copping with the fact that you have average looks

[actionjaxson]

average looks are perfectly fine. i see average guys with pretty girls all the time. also girls have different tastes. some might think you're a 3 while others think you're a 7.

 

[Maximus Rex]

Mystery and Matador: http://www.eseduce.com/wp-content/MysteryThePickupArtistDenTek.jpg

Neil Strauss aka Style (by the way, dude is 5'6") before and after http://cache-02.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/7/2008/01/neil-strauss-before-and-after1.jpg

http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.town...7092d01-6af2-5835-a696-5388c2b368a4.image.jpg

Lovedrop http://pualib.com/images/pua-masters/Lovedrop/lovedrop-portrait.jpg

David Deangelo http://datingcoachreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/David-Deangelo.jpg

Tyler Durden http://pualib.com/images/pua-masters/Tyler-Durden/PUA-Tyler-Durden-al10.jpg

I don't know what a female's ideal man is suppose to look like. Something tells me just based off of these pictures, a woman would never go one of these dudes, but these dudes are some of world's most successful pickup artists. Even though looks play a part, looks aren't the only part. The is about convey personality and displaying traits that women find attractive.

Why don't you post a full body of shot of yourself, so dudes on the site and tell you what you need to improve on.

Besides why are you crying about your looks. YOU'RE A ****ING MAN!!! Unlike women, we don't have foreign objects inserted into our bodies, have our noses broken, and toxins injected into our lips, and thousands of dollars to improve our looks. All we need is about $100 for a gym membership or weight lifting equipment, maintain a healthy diet, and motivation.

Even if you don't have boyish good looks, large pectoral muscles, ripped abs, and confidence would negate the supposed negative impact your looks would have. Get in a gym dude and buy some new clothes.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Looks for men are a combination of height, face, and body.

Of course looks alone will not pull women, that's why we have so many rico suave guys that can't get women. You also need BALLS.

I'm willing to wager that you have a doughy body. There's no excuse for you not to hit the gym.

I brought myself up from a 5 to a 7. So I get 6's and 7's. Sure I want better looking women, but those were the cards I was dealt.

Money will get women that look better than you, but that's a double edged sword.

 

[Iceberg]

Looks for men are a combination of height, face, and body.

What are looks for women a combination of? Width, feet, and hair?

 

[vatoloco]

What are looks for women a combination of? Width, feet, and hair?

Tits, legs and ass.

Face is important too.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Sure I want better looking women, but those were the cards I was dealt.

Classic excuse of the "looks matter" proponent. I've seen fat ugly guys with poor hygiene and grooming that look like they JUST got out of prison with Victoria's Secret model lookalikes. Unless they just choose not to spend all that money they have in their bank account, there must be something MUCH more important than looks to women.

 

[vatoloco]

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1731905&postcount=17

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Tits, legs and ass.

Face is important too.

Exactly!

I don't give a f*ck about a girl's feet as long as it doesn't have corns or webbed toes.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Classic excuse of the "looks matter" proponent. I've seen fat ugly guys with poor hygiene and grooming that look like they JUST got out of prison with Victoria's Secret model lookalikes. Unless they just choose not to spend all that money they have in their bank account, there must be something MUCH more important than looks to women.

Listen we already had this discussion. Once you develop some balls, you'll be able to get women of your looks level. Right now your balls are tiny, so you have to take what you can get.

Name a specific example of these fat ugly smelly guys that have no money with models. Where did you see them? What was the situation?

 

[Iceberg]

Exactly!

I don't give a f*ck about a girl's feet as long as it doesn't have corns or webbed toes.

My point was that you said "looks for men are a combination of height, face, and body"....which is pretty much the exact way I look at women.

Not too short, not too tall, no fatties, and a cute face.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Listen we already had this discussion. Once you develop some balls, you'll be able to get women of your looks level.

Well, that's not really consistent with what you said. YOU said that you want better-looking women but are unable to because of the "cards [looks] you were dealt." According to this reasoning, balls don't help you get chicks...looks do.

Name a specific example of these fat ugly smelly guys that have no money with models. Where did you see them? What was the situation?

West Hollywood and Hollywood mainly, but all over the greater Los Angeles area. I've also witnessed these pairings throughout my life growing up in a small town on the central coast of California. The situations vary. The couples are out at bars, driving around town, walking holding hands on the street, etc. They do everything normal couples do. I don't know why it's such a shock to you that confidence and personality is infinitely more important to women than whether or not you're balding or you have a beer belly. Female attraction is much more profound than that of males.

 

[Jack-Torrance]

... or you are just plain ugly. I just can't stand it anymore, not having a girlfriend or being overlooked alot. It's tough when you feel alone and tougher when you are 34 and you look at the mirror and you can't help but weep and admit that you are a shadow of the man you were in your 20's when you at least got looked at by women and had girlfriends (not many but at least some).


Anyone who says looks don’t matter is lying. They do, how much just varies from person to person. And saying that traits like being intelligent or capable of creating great artistic things makes you stand out is just plain wrong, when compared with physical features. ITs hard to see the beauty in yourself until you find a person who loves you and sees that beauty, i think we all need some kind of validation from the opposite sex, when there isn't any it's because something is horribly wrong.

I think you're wrong here. Looks do matter, if you have looks women will automatically be attracted to you, if you do not, with certain traits, women will still automatically be attracted to you.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

My point was that you said "looks for men are a combination of height, face, and body"....which is pretty much the exact way I look at women.

Not too short, not too tall, no fatties, and a cute face.

Yes, but height is more important for women. Back in cave man days, women wanted men that could protect them and height was the most obvious indicator of fitness.

Women are still under the old program, taller is better. The exceptions being giants.

For me, I don't give a sh*t if she's 4'10 or 5'10, as long as she has a nice body and is cute.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Well, that's not really consistent with what you said. YOU said that you want better-looking women but are unable to because of the "cards [looks] you were dealt." According to this reasoning, balls don't help you get chicks...looks do.



West Hollywood and Hollywood mainly, but all over the greater Los Angeles area. I've also witnessed these pairings throughout my life growing up in a small town on the central coast of California. The situations vary. The couples are out at bars, driving around town, walking holding hands on the street, etc. They do everything normal couples do. I don't know why it's such a shock to you that confidence and personality is infinitely more important to women than whether or not you're balding or you have a beer belly. Female attraction is much more profound than that of males.

The truth of the game is that you can get women at your looks level and below. I'm a 7, so I get 7s or below. However, looks alone doesn't cut it, I need to balls to get those women.

If you're really as tall and good looking as you say you are, then let's say you are a 9. If you had balls, you would be able to get 9s, but you don't so end up with 6s.


HOLLYWOOD? Get the f*ck outta here! I'll bet those short ugly fat f*cks with sh*tty clothes have an angle. Movie producer, wealthy businessman, etc. That's why those slobs are able to get 9s and 10s.

Keep it real. Confidence is not a magic pill. It only gets you the women you can naturally attract.

 

[spinaroonie]

Yes, but height is more important for women. Back in cave man days, women wanted men that could protect them and height was the most obvious indicator of fitness.

Women are still under the old program, taller is better. The exceptions being giants.

For me, I don't give a sh*t if she's 4'10 or 5'10, as long as she has a nice body and is cute.

Disagree. The preference for height is culturally induced. Women in other cultures don't put much emphasis on height. Latin women don't care, so long as he's taller than she is (the whole "papi chulo" thing). Ditto for Asian women.

It's only in the West and especially the US that women seem to put so much emphasis on something as arbitrary as height. Women here are programmed from childhood to view "tall, dark, and handsome" as the ideal for masculinity.

It's ridiculous when 5'0" shorties want 6 foot+ guys. It really shouldn't matter so long as the guy is taller.

 

[TheAsianLoverReturns]

Disagree. The preference for height is culturally induced. Women in other cultures don't put much emphasis on height. Latin women don't care, so long as he's taller than she is (the whole "papi chulo" thing). Ditto for Asian women.

It's only in the West and especially the US that women seem to put so much emphasis on something as arbitrary as height. Women here are programmed from childhood to view "tall, dark, and handsome" as the ideal for masculinity.

It's ridiculous when 5'0" shorties want 6 foot+ guys. It really shouldn't matter so long as the guy is taller.

It only seems that way. The average height is different in every country.

My mom is from Korea, possibly the most patriarchal country in the world. She had such an admiring tone in her voice when she talked about how TALL her dad was.

 

[spinaroonie]

It only seems that way. The average height is different in every country.

My mom is from Korea, possibly the most patriarchal country in the world. She had such an admiring tone in her voice when she talked about how TALL her dad was.

... after she moved to the US.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

The truth of the game is that you can get women at your looks level and below. I'm a 7, so I get 7s or below.

Ah, so Lyle Lovett must be of the same caliber of Julia Roberts and Seal must be as good looking as Heidi Klum (despite his facial disfiguration) since you know, you can only "get women at your looks level and below."

If you're really as tall and good looking as you say you are, then let's say you are a 9. If you had balls, you would be able to get 9s, but you don't so end up with 6s.

Ok, I never said I was tall and good-looking. I am a few inches above average height (same height as Brad Pitt so I don't worry too much about it), and the girls and gay guys volunteer the comments about my looks...not me. When I look in the mirror I do not see a good-looking guy.

HOLLYWOOD? Get the f*ck outta here! I'll bet those short ugly fat f*cks with sh*tty clothes have an angle. Movie producer, wealthy businessman, etc. That's why those slobs are able to get 9s and 10s.

Yeah, you're probably right. They just prefer to give all their cash to the homeless instead of trading in that '93 Honda Accord for a Lamborghini. That's much more likely than the last 150 years of scientific research about sexual selection actually being correct.

 

[Tesl]

That's much more likely than the last 150 years of scientific research about sexual selection actually being correct.

I don't want to take this thread in another direction, let me just reply to this part quickly:

• Do ALL your posts need to be about this?
• You always talk about X years of research, but NEVER actually reference anything
• Can you please update one of your other stupid threads you post in with all of this "research" you like to quote?

Oh, and don't just tell me to go google for it myself. Presumably there must be something in particular which backs up these points you so clearly love to debate.

Thanks.

 

[Just a Shot Away]

Thanks.

No worries, my Google-challenged friend. I'll list a few sites for you to get started:

http://www.thegreatdebate.org.uk/sexualselection.html
Cool thoughts about why looks don't even matter to peacocks:

"The paradox arises because, if all of the females choose to mate with the same few males – those with the ‘best’ genes, then there will be much less genetic variety in the population in the next generation, and over a number of generations we might expect this to lead to no variety, making it impossible to sustain any choice."


http://www-personal.umich.edu/~kruger/ep8.html
Fun excerpt:

"In a series of four studies, Sadalla, Kenrick & Vershure (1987) found that dominant behavior in males increased female's sexual attraction to them. Dominant behavior in females was not related to sexual attraction in males."


http://www.evoyage.com/Evolutionary Feminism/menwomensex.htm
University of Georgia faculty member on why good looks can actually HURT guys:

"For example, she says, ''the good genes' model leads to oversimplified notions that there is a 'best male' out there, a top-of-the-line hunk whom all females would prefer to mate with if they had the wherewithal. But in the viability model, a female brings her own genetic complement to the equation, with the result that what looks good genetically to one woman might be a clash of colors for another.''


Now. In answer to your questions:
1) No, they do not. Check a thread that I created recently about banging a broad that has a husband. But I do feel the need to correct BS that is constantly spewed by a select few misinformed individuals about this topic. They know who they are.

2) So? Stephen Hawking constantly talks about black hole theory without citing his research. Just because I don't cite every single scientific discovery I mention doesn't make it any less true.

3) No, I cannot update threads after a specific amount of time. The forum doesn't allow one to do this. Not that I would want to, anyway. The research is out there for all who care to know the truth instead of pulling the wool over one's eyes all while feverishly trying to drag others underneath aforementioned wool as well. Again, no names need be mentioned...these characters know who they are.