Completely obliterated contact with ex.

[Last Man Standing]

She deserves to be criticised, if not by you, then I will happily step up and do it.
" Exploring her options " -indeed , is that what we call behaving like a slvt nowadays ? "Exploring" on her back in the shabbiest and most manipulative way.
This woman is not a decent valuable woman . She is not seeking "security" she is seeking gratification and she hopes that she can get it with whomever she chooses while you stand on the sidelines and wait for her to complete her " fun run" .
If RT won't say it, I will,This is a Low Quality woman.

Thunder Mav, she is not a suitable candidate for consideration. Not a contender. She does want her cake and eat it too, AT YOUR EXPENSE .
You need to flick this female like a two day old BandAid.

Way to tell the truth!!! Unacceptable behavior is ok now!! HUH?? We live in a immoral demoralized society -- the end is near - for Amerika anyway!!!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

We can paint all the scarlet letters we want to on her, and run her up the flagpole and get off on our own self-righteousness, but THUNDER is the real pitiable one in this situation. We all want to pat him on the back and say how terrible and "low quality" she is for not filling some idealization, but the fact of the matter is he (and everyone else throwing stones here) should never have expected devoted monogamy from a girl this age.

 

[jophil28]

This girl is only doing what a sexy, attractive, semi-adolescent girl wants to do. To expect her (or even her archetype) to be a "high quality", loyal devoted quasi-wife is simply idiocy.

She may "want" to do whatever she is planning and she probably does "want" to go to TX and "explore her options " ( love that language )
The point is that no man should have to like this behavior, accept this behavior or "understand" this behavior or tolerate it for a nanosecond.
We cannot hope to send a message to women who behave badly UNLESS we are willing to CONDEMN their appalling belief that they are entitled to do exactly as they please with no consequences.

NOt all 23 year olds function like this one. Many 23 year olds are wives and mothers or successful career women on their way to acheiving their objectives. To say that this particular female is just doing what any attractive semi-adolescent women would do is nonsense because most would NOT do what she is planning. Essentially she is flat-backing her way though her early twenties and that is what those dreaded "low quality " women do.

Give me a break from the "value-free" psych appraisals, please.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

I would have to agree with Rollo on this. It wasn't in her interest to purposely hurt me. She's just not that kind of person. She was adamant about being single and wanted to correct her mistakes of jumping from relationship to relationship. This is her problem, not mine. She's not TRYING to hurt me.


However as free as she wants to be, I'm not sticking around for the gang-bang. She's looking out for her own self interest and could give two sh*ts about mine. That's fine too. That's why she's X'd.

 

[Last Man Standing]

RT, it is the exact opposite of what you state!! A woma'ns loyalty is exactly what should be expected of all women - any age - this is the natural order of things!!! You, and others here, have embraced the "hor" as natural and normal and thus acceptable, and because of this she rules over you - the unnatural order of things!!!! Get a backbone...please!!!!

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

RT, it is the exact opposite of what you state!! A woma'ns loyalty is exactly what should be expected of all women - any age - this is the natural order of things!!!

And yet here we are, discussing the same condition about another "low quality" woman who "betrayed" another AFC by doing what she wanted to do anyway - for the thousandth time. If SoSuave is anything it's an archive of women and men in EXACTLY the same situations, prompted by exactly the same root motives and subject to the exact same conditions. But the "natural" order of things is different than this? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. You can sift through years worth of posts here and see the same story as THUNDER's repeated in different words, but it doesn't change the same result.

So we can play footsie with this and pretend we're all soldiers in VU's army, or we can snicker at the "homo hor agenda", but it doesn't change the fact that this is the way things are. How many countless guys married for 20 years have said "I never saw it coming. I never thought she'd be the one to cheat on me." Afterall, they married "quality women", respectable, mothers who played the role of devoted wife for years, why would they?

 

[Latinoman]

It was just something I needed to go through. Women do NOT understand men AT ALL.

If you've all been keeping up with me you'll know the situation:

Girl breaks up with me. Girl gets with another guy. Girl still thinks about me. We get in touch again. She tells me she still has feelings for me but doesn't want a relationship. She says "maybe in the future with you". Which is nice. I'm banging other girls while she decides what to do.

At least she's honest enough to tell me she's thinking about going to Texas to bang a guy she's been friends with for 6 years in a couple of months. I say that's nice, but I won't be around because of that. She ask me why? I say I can't have sex with you but you want a guy you've known online for 6 years? She says if she has sex with me things will get complicated. She says she would fall in love with me all over again. I kind of try to probe into this more and she says there's no feeling attached and no chance of a relationship between them. Which is fine. She can do whatever she wants I'll have to respect it.


However, how many guys would put up with this? She didn't quite understand that for a MAN, being something a girl "might" want and playing second fiddle to someone that she "does" want doesn't sit well. What self respecting guy would WAIT for a woman he's in love with to enjoy being single (banging whoever she wants because she's CURIOUS).


She wants to still be friends and MAYBE have something in the future. She says "I'm sorry I'm not what you want me to be, but I can't be in a relationship right now. I'm bad at it." Which is also fine. If she needs to work on herself then that's what she has to do.


I am still in love with this girl and I tell her because I'm in love with her, I wouldn't deal with that. She then tells me "I'm in LOVE with you too!!"

Totally didn't expect that. I ask her how she could be in love with me, NOT want me, and want to bang some guy a thousand or so miles away? Guess what she said:

"I don't know." I tell her she's not in love with me if that's the case and she defended her point strongly. Apparently I didn't get it.

I told her I usually just walk away from deals like this without explanation, but for her I made an exception. I told her there are no second chances with me and this is it. I told her you can't come back because all of a sudden you just have a change of heart. She sounded sad and said ok, but I don't think she got it.


I meant it. What I went through last year was nothing short of devastating. I could never be that guy again. I had nothing but absolute contempt for myself after the break up. I ended up hating her f**king guts for what happened. What guy is able to put up with that? These words "I'm in love with you, but I want to f*ck someone else because I'm bad at relationships." It seems in a way that's also saying something about NOT wanting to be in a relationship with me. Which is fine, but for Godssake's don't tell me you're in love with me and then not want to be with me! Falling in love with me all over again? Feeling obligated to call me? If you feel that way then I don't want to be with you anyways.

This is an emotional rant, yes. I'm very serious about this though. There's no second chances if this is the way she's going to go. I'm actually kinda relieved. All this time I wondered if there was going to be a second chance and it kind of made my head hurt. I know moving on will be a lot smoother now. I'm at peace knowing that.




It is what it is.

Man,

This slut is playing you. She is going to sleep around as much as she can...while making sure she keeps you around IN THE EVENT she does not find the kind of man she is looking for. You are her security. And when a woman has "security"...they will stray and do a LOT of "bad" things, because they know they can always come back to her "security".

If she ever had doubts about you staying by her. If she ever felt she could lose you to another woman...and if she felt that way while both of you were together...I assure you, she would STILL be together with you. But she is not.

She is going to phuck and phuck a LOT of men. While having the SECURITY that you are waiting for her. She had it made.

Stop 100% communication with her. Imagine she is CANCER and that any contact with her would make you a patient of cancer.

 

[Last Man Standing]

RT, Correctamundo!!! This is what I'm saying - why are these dudes being guiled by these creatues and then cry out later in anguish? Because they have embraced the roaring lion as if it were a meowing kitten - because their thinking is corrupt (partly to the Media Matrix to embrace such) and they are not in sync with their masculinity and are not seeking her femininity!! They are seeking her flesh and become beholden to her for this reason - but this is only temporary, and fleeting - as proven tens of millions of times!!

Quit loving and trusting the unworthy!!!

 

[guru1000]

Does she? Or is she simply doing what any 23 y.o. girl is going to do (or will want to do) anyway? Can you really expect a child like this to have any greater aspirations and would want her to in the long term? If you hold a juicy, raw, t-bone steak out in front of a Doberman, what's the dog going to do? He's gonna eat. And if he can't get to that steak for some reason he's still going to want to eat that steak. You're not going to convince that dog to turn vegetarian and even if you could temporarily, that dog's still thinking and desiring the steak.

This is a CLASSIC misconception. What is the only difference between us and animals?

An animal will always follow his instinct. A human makes a choice in spite of his instinct.

This girl is only doing what a sexy, attractive, semi-adolescent girl wants to do. To expect her (or even her archetype) to be a "high quality", loyal devoted quasi-wife is simply idiocy.

Here we go with the GENERALIZATION again. Life is not black and white. Neither are woman.

Even if you could somehow convince or condition her into behaving as such you're still fighting the Desire Dynamic. The deeper question is why would you try to? It's like caging a circus lion - bring her out to do a few tricks then put her back in the cage, but all the while you know she wants, she desires to run free on the plains and hunt. She's not behaving for you out of desire, of her own volition, but because she's been conditioned to do so.

We all are conditioned. Rollo, I'm sure you look at other women with desire. You then weigh the consequences and choose not to act on your desire. We are conditioned by pain/pleasure. The pleasure of satistying your desire vs the pain of tainting a marriage.

 

[ThunderMaverick]

We weren't married. She wasn't as serious as I was. She told me. What can I do with that BUT cut her out of my life?

At this point I don't care what she does or why she does it. She made an extremely stupid decision because she's not going find another guy on the planet who fit so well as me.

Latino is right, she sees me as her little golden parachute, and she can pull my string anytime if she feels like she's made a mistake. Screw her for that. God, I feel like my father. I'm so afraid of spending years pining over the same woman who doesn't want me. Just the THOUGHT of thinking of this girl for years to come freaks me out. Like it was meant to be.

I really have reprogram that kind of logic.

 

[mintxx]

This girl is actually badly screwed up. Besides which, I always, always, ALWAYS cut off any possibility of being used as a backup plan, especially in light of my most recent experience. Ignore her words and rationalisations. Look at the situation, decide where you draw the line, and enforce it with silent and granite toughness.

 

[iqqi]

And yet here we are, discussing the same condition about another "low quality" woman who "betrayed" another AFC by doing what she wanted to do anyway - for the thousandth time. If SoSuave is anything it's an archive of women and men in EXACTLY the same situations, prompted by exactly the same root motives and subject to the exact same conditions. But the "natural" order of things is different than this? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. You can sift through years worth of posts here and see the same story as THUNDER's repeated in different words, but it doesn't change the same result.

The same story has nothing to do with women being one way or another.

The same story has more to do with making the wrong choices in love, and assigning blame to the faceless "women are all the same" (this time with the added description of "at that age").

 

[My Name is Nobody]

Reminds me of a certain thread.. does no contact work??

 

[KarmaSutra]

ball of yarn... more like christmas lights...
you try to take them outta the box and fight and struggle with untangling each and every one, then you plug them in and they still don't work. you try to check if a bulb broke, and not only are some broken and blown, but there is now a short in the cord from pulling and yanking on them so hard.
you are determined to fix what you have, but out of frustration you finally throw them down and jump up and down on them. you finally clean up the mess, put your jacket on and go out to look for a new set.

Fvcking poetry!

 

[Latinoman]

When I married my ex-wife...she was 19. She ALWAYS treated me with respect and behaved with self-respect (that's why I married her). Azanon's wife married him when she was very young and it appears she also acted with self-respect. My two sisters...when they were around that age group, ALWAYS behaved with self-respect. My daughter is almost 18 and she behaves with self-respect (at least for now).

A woman that is 23 and acts like a slut...is simply a slut. Age does not justify lack of self-respect. Plain and simple. There a LOT of women out there that decided to walk the path of self-respect and they decided to do that at an early age. If they want to go wild at that age, then they should face the consequences. One of those consequences COULD be that a desired man with options might not want to be with them.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

An animal will always follow his instinct. A human makes a choice in spite of his instinct.

And what was her choice? To go with her instinct. Biology trumps conviction - how you choose to color it, spin it or rationalize it doesn't alter the outcome and the influences that prompted the action. The end result is we're all aware of our own conditions on some level of consciousness and these motivate our behavior. "Celibate" priests molest young boys and heterosexuals who become homosexuals in prison go back to being heterosexuals when they're released - it's all in the circumstance. Are there perfect, idealized 23 y.o. women who remain pure and virtuous homemakers? Of course, but their circumstances are different. The homely 23 y.o. has far fewer options to realize her sexuality in the same ways as a hot piece of ass - so she modifies her personality and behaviors to accommodate her conditions. The women walking the streets in Saudi Arabia 8 steps behind their arranged husbands, covered head to toe in a Burka still want to ƒuck.

It's this convenient moralism that throws guys off. The same guy who expects a 23 y.o. HB9 to "behave" and share his moral conviction that it's her duty to play devoted virgin wife is the same guy who's complaining 5 years later that she thinks giving head is "gross" and will only ƒuck him once a month (and never on a Sunday) in missionary position. The problem is the guys who want June Cleaver to be the mother of their children and Jenna Jameson in the bedroom in the same woman. We all want a slut, we just want her to be our slut.

 

[Latinoman]

I personally not debating about sharing moral convictions (as mine are not that high). My point is that we have both sides of the extreme, and age is not necessary the determining factor. I have no problems with women having sex. But I cannot say it is a "normal" behavior for women at certain age to sleep around to "discover" their sexuallity. Sexuallity can also be discovered in relationships with more experience or mature men or even in marriage. Many women in the same age group behave the oposit, that's the point I am trying to make.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Ahhh,...but the women in this Article are all ready to 'settle' down with a guy and play the perfect homemaker. Women subscribing to this ideology MUST be "high quality", they all want to become wives and mothers and live the convictions espoused by my critics right? Why would we have any issue with this? We can all just conveniently ignore the eggs dropping and biological clocks ticking in light of the miraculous changes in their virtuous moral convictions of wanting to be mothers. How could we possibly be so callous?

 

[guru1000]

And what was her choice? To go with her instinct. Biology trumps conviction - how you choose to color it, spin it or rationalize it doesn't alter the outcome and the influences that prompted the action. The end result is we're all aware of our own conditions on some level of consciousness and these motivate our behavior. "Celibate" priests molest young boys and heterosexuals who become homosexuals in prison go back to being heterosexuals when they're released - it's all in the circumstance. Are there perfect, idealized 23 y.o. women who remain pure and virtuous homemakers? Of course, but their circumstances are different. The homely 23 y.o. has far fewer options to realize her sexuality in the same ways as a hot piece of ass - so she modifies her personality and behaviors to accommodate her conditions. The women walking the streets in Saudi Arabia 8 steps behind their arranged husbands, covered head to toe in a Burka still want to ƒuck.

It's this convenient moralism that throws guys off. The same guy who expects a 23 y.o. HB9 to "behave" and share his moral conviction that it's her duty to play devoted virgin wife is the same guy who's complaining 5 years later that she thinks giving head is "gross" and will only ƒuck him once a month (and never on a Sunday) in missionary position. The problem is the guys who want June Cleaver to be the mother of their children and Jenna Jameson in the bedroom in the same woman. We all want a slut, we just want her to be our slut.

If Biology tumps conviction then how would you be a bodybuilder? All the low carb and calorie dieting preparing for a contest. Measuring your protein grams and calories to a T. Water intake measures to the tablespoon. You feel like a tearing up a pie of pizza everyday (the last 60-90 days before the contest but you dont'. You CONVICTION trumps BIOLOGY.

You see a nice 10 walk by you on the street. She is blazing wearing tight fitted clothes. You give her a second look and say "I wish I was not married."
You don't pursue. Your CONVICTION trumps BIOLOGY.

I speak of personal experience. I have had quite a few LTR's with HOT young girls who never cheated and behaved to my every whim. Does this mean they have never thought of other guys? Of course not. However as I stated before, we are all motivated by pain/pleasure. All of us including young hot women. I made very clear my disposition and SHE knows if she acted on her instinct she would get the boot. She makes a decision by weighing the options. "I think this other guy is hot but if I cheat on GURU , I will never see him again". Her CONVICTION trumps BIOLOGY once again because she fears the consequence of acting on her instinct.

This is the only thing that seperates us from animals. CHOICE. We CHOOSE based on the scale Pleasure vs Pain.

 

[iqqi]

This is the only thing that seperates us from animals. CHOICE. We CHOOSE based on the scale Pleaure vs Pain.

Ah. Choice.

So many long drawn philosophies we hold onto dearly- to define the world around us (or the women around us, lol) -would crumble into dust, if only we were to all accept responsibility for our own choices.

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