Cold Approach in Grocery Store

[DEEZEDBRAH]

I believe picking the right target is as important as executing the approach, keep in mind however that age group is out of range for me since I passed my mid 30s.

If you have a look at the items in her cart you can asses more or the less correctly her living conditions and environment and act accordingly.
If there is alchool or chips she either is a party type or shares her house with someone while if there is only healthy things and vegetables she could be working to make herself in shape and attractive but also buy stuff for kids.
You have to asses it from her grocery cart, her clothes, her overall vibes.

Regarding the approach, it doesnt need too much effort from your side since at that point it's just a matter of raw attraction so just say anything related to a product you're both buying and see her reaction.
As always long interesting answers show interests and short closed answers dont.

Hey that great yogurt is amazing but cant find the strawberry one, did you see it?
a) No I dont, I just buy this one (she walks away).
b)Do they make a strawberry one? Im used to this but would like to give it a try...in which part of the fridge is it usually?

Regarding the women working there, it's a total different game, you basically have some small chat with them everyday and see if they come with personal questions and what kind of questions are those.
They know what you usually buy so they already know a lot about your life style and economy.

Regarding opening with compliments, I strongly disagree with that and I explained here why, see point 1.

That's a limiting to belief to assume past 30 the demographic is beyond you. Demographic is always 6-12 years younger. Everyone has a approach. Compliment is fine. There is a fine line between compliment and simp or pandering. Most men are dumb as **** to the difference.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

That's a limiting to belief to assume past 30 the demographic is beyond you. Demographic is always 6-12 years younger. Everyone has a approach. Compliment is fine. There is a fine line between compliment and simp or pandering. Most men are dumb as **** to the difference.

Bro are you one of those who think that men peak at 40?

If you are above mid 30s and you score a girl in her late 20s you are already doing much better than most men.

For a guy close to his 40s to succesfully approach a girl in her early 20s like OP ask and get her, you need brad pitt LMS value tier.

We're not even talking about social circle or work place, we talk about cold approach.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Bro are you one of those who think that men peak at 40?

If you are above mid 30s and you score a girl in her late 20s you are already doing much better than most men.

For a guy close to his 40s to succesfully approach a girl in her early 20s like OP ask and get her, you need brad pitt LMS value tier.

We're not even talking about social circle or work place, we talk about cold approach.

The game is cold approach.

 

[Divorced w 3]

For a guy close to his 40s to succesfully approach a girl in her early 20s like OP ask and get her, you need brad pitt LMS value tier.

Not true

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Not true

Ok so 99.9% of 40 yrs old men are dating women 35+ all the way till their own age cause they are into "milfs".

 

[Divorced w 3]

Ok so 99.9% of 40 yrs old men are dating women 35+ all the way till their own age cause they are into "milfs".

that’s not what you said

 

[oldmanofthesea]

Well, I don't have to bang my head on the wall very hard to know what would happen. As a man, and older, one is supposed to be the leader, authoritative figure, not to play dumb to get attention from a girl.

And that is the difference between you and I. One of us is speaking from vast amounts of direct personal experience and success dating beautiful women half our age - years of experience and hundreds if not thousands of approaches/interactions, while the other is theorizing something won't work that they've never actually tried. Generally when people claim cold approach won't produce the desired results without them ever having done it, it is simply an excuse to make them feel better about not putting in the time and effort to evolve beyond their fears and face discomfort in order to achieve results that only 1% of men enjoy.

From your past posts, I see two common excuses:
1. Cold approach won't work, period
2. If cold approach does work, it will only get you low quality ugly wh0res who have caked on make-up

What you are doing here would be like going up to Chuck Yeager ten years ago and telling him, "The speed of sound will never be broken," and yet you don't even have your pilot's license. Or like going up to a billionaire investor who made their fortune in real-estate investments while you make under $100k a year at a different job and telling him, "Investing in real-estate won't work." Imagine the look and the laugh you'd get. I'm laughing the same way right now.

But a 40yrs old guy going to a 25, 30yrs old woman with that opener would receive a 'what's with this weirdo' combined with a 'go away' look in maybe 99/100 cases.

The very fact that you believe this to be true is all the proof that anyone who has cold approached needs in order to know that you have never done it. Your 99/100 number is correct, but you have it backwards. 99/100 20-30yo women will have a polite conversation with you if you are socially calibrated and don't look like a fvcking freak.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the whole playing dumb to get attention comment. Normal social interaction = Starting small talk, leading the conversation to something more meaningful or in whatever other direction you want to lead it to, then escalating if you are interested. If you feel that is "playing dumb" and don't think it's possible to have meaningful conversations with strangers, I genuinely feel sorry for you and wonder how you think talking to girls is supposed to work, and whatever that is, how has it been working for you? How many women have you slept with? What was your longest relationship? How long has it been since you've had a girlfriend or slept with a girl?

If you don't want to cold approach, that's fine. But don't speak about things you know nothing about. You only make yourself look foolish, and you are making it harder for people who come here because they legitimately want to learn how to succeed. This isn't an INCEL forum. This forum is here for guys who want to learn how to enjoy more success with women, and for guys with actual experience doing that and giving advice to those wanting to learn.

 

[pipeman84]

I don't know why instead of answering the specific question about that particular cold approach example (like @Jor-El did), you start this diatribe that's totally beside the point.

What was your longest relationship? How long has it been since you've had a girlfriend or slept with a girl?

WTF has that got to do with anything?
OK, now with that out of the way:

From your past posts, I see two common excuses:
1. Cold approach won't work, period
2. If cold approach does work, it will only get you low quality ugly wh0res who have caked on make-up

Never said 1., 2. is pretty much correct (as with anything, there are exceptions). In fact I personally know such an exception, he (21yrs) cold approached her (19yrs) at the subway station some 16yrs ago, now they're married with 2 kids. I mean, that's basic common sense, do I really have to spell it out? By 25yrs old, most (and by 30 virtually all) quality girls are either in a relationship or interested in finding someone close to their age via either social circle, OLD, activities etc. So what's the probability that as a 40yrs old you manage to find an attractive 25yrs old girl that 1. is available 2. is not bothered by the age gap 3. finds you attractive 4. willing to engage in flirting with a stranger in a non conventional place for that.

I have no idea what you are talking about with the whole playing dumb to get attention comment.

When a 40yrs old guy asks a random 25yrs old when the oranges are ripe, that's playing dumb....if the 25yrs old happens to be working at the grocery store in the fruit&veg department, then ok, it's a legit question. It's made even dumber/creepy (because both parties involved know it's not really about oranges) by the age gap.

Normal social interaction is starting small talk, leading the conversation to something more meaningful or in whatever other direction you want to lead it to, then escalating if you are interested.

Please don't patronize me. Firstly, I specifically asked how would you shift to something meaningful with that fruit example and you haven't answered. Secondly, normal social interaction has to take into consideration the place, the gender and ages of those involved. In other words, the exact same small talk could signal one is a talkative guy or a creep making a lame pickup attempt.

 

[pipeman84]

If you read Roosh's "Day Bang", the idea would be to meaningfully connect either oranges or smoothies to some sort of adventuresome story in your life. You could tell a story of a time where you had orange flavored smoothies with your grandparents as a child while on a beach in Hawaii. Those are supposed to be bait drops that a woman would ask some sort of follow up question. That idea pre-supposes women have conversation skill, which has been lacking in the Millennial generation and will likely lack in Gen Z.

Most bait drops fall flat.

Man, I found the book online, read the grocery store chapter and had a good laugh followed by an exclamation of Jesus Christ! No wonder the guy went insane....I mean, the whole behaviour of lingering in the grocery store, stalking girls and examining their shopping carts reeks. And to use those lines with a serious face would take a pretty low self esteem/retarded guy to begin with. He was 32 when the book was published...I don't know, maybe a clueless teen early 20s guy might be excused if he falls for it, tries it a bit and realizes the absurdity.
But to advocate 40+ yrs old guys do this shyt is basically trolling.

 

[oldmanofthesea]

WTF has that got to do with anything?

That's like telling a rocket scientist the best way to build a rocket when you are a janitor. It has everything to do with the subject at hand because you aren't speaking about something you have any experience with or knowledge of. In this case, cold approaching or having meaningful conversations with strangers or women much younger than you. If you wanted to learn how to get into acting, would you go ask questions of a person who once thought about becoming and actor but never actually tried, or would you go ask questions of a successful actor?

So what's the probability that as a 40yrs old you manage to find an attractive 25yrs old girl that 1. is available 2. is not bothered by the age gap 3. finds you attractive 4. willing to engage in flirting with a stranger in a non conventional place for that.

The probability is extremely high for me and many others here on this forum who do it with great success all the time. I've detailed many of the women I've dated who are half my age and I know of many others on the forum who have the same success. We know that because we do it. This whole quote just further demonstrates your lack of experience and understanding of women. Nearly every woman has a fantasy of meeting a guy by accident as she goes about her daily life. Movies and books that cater to women's fantasies (romantic dramas and romantic comedies) are literally FILLED with examples of this. Women don't ideally want to meet a man on a dating app or at a night club - they would rather meet him by accident - at a park, on an airplane, in the grocery store or at garden store. For fvck's sake dude I met my ex wife at a veterinarians office. We were both there with our dogs so I asked her a question about her dog and we got to talking about dogs and that got us talking about hiking and that got us talking about where we like to hike and that we like to camp and that we like to listen to music while we camp and that we like to listen to the same type of music. She was 23 when we met. I was 33. After my appointment was over I told her we should meet up and take the dogs for a hike soon and she immediately handed me a piece of paper with her phone number already written down on it - in hopes that I would ask her. I just don't understand WTF is it with you literally not understanding how to have a regular conversation with regular people and thinking there are all these nonsensical boundaries around who when and where you can meet and flirt with a girl? I do this exact same thing at 46 and get girls in their 20's all the time. But instead of listening to me, you keep ignoring all the stories of my successes (and the successes of other men on this forum) and instead you sit here talking out your azz about how it doesn't work, and then refusing to answer my questions about how much experience you have with women.

Non-conventional place for flirting? You're going to give me an aneurism. Ok it's true - there are sections of of my city that are taped off and marked as flirting zones. Only in these zones is it acceptable to talk to strangers and flirt with them and only in these zones will they flirt with you. Like many people, you don't believe it is acceptable or that approaching a stranger works because you've never tried it. This is what is called a self-limiting belief. Yet you are here preaching about it like you have any experience or understanding of it, and that's harming people who are here for advice. They have to filter through your bvll**** in order to get at the advice from the people who actually have experienced to share. Do you understand the difference between someone who just thinks they know how something works without ever trying it vs someone who has actually done it?

as with anything, there are exceptions

The only exception is that 99% of men don't cold approach. That's why. You cold approach, you become the exception, and you become the exception repeatedly.

When a 40yrs old guy asks a random 25yrs old when the oranges are ripe, that's playing dumb....if the 25yrs old happens to be working at the grocery store in the fruit&veg department, then ok, it's a legit question. It's made even dumber/creepy (because both parties involved know it's not really about oranges) by the age gap.

So then how would you start a conversation with a random 25yo by NOT "playing dumb" as you put it? Or have you ever done it? Or let me guess, you believe that not only can you not have a conversation by playing dumb but you can't have one at all, so this gives you the excuse not to bother trying. That is the INCEL mindset. Make excuses for yourself so you don't have to feel guilty about your lack of action and instead just sit around complaining about how "nothing works".

Firstly, I specifically asked how would you shift to something meaningful with that fruit example and you haven't answered

And in response to your question about shifting to something meaningful, I asked you if you were asking me because you wanted me to help you learn how to have meaningful conversations with strangers or if you were just trying to prove that it won't work when you haven't even tried it yourself. You didn't answer me, and instead told me that you were already an expert on it and knew it wouldn't work. So why should I answer you? If you want an example, I just gave you one in this post talking about how I met my ex wife. Go to youtube and search "how to talk to anyone" or "how to have meaningful conversations with strangers". There is plenty of information out there if you were interested in investing your time and learning to improve your social skills.

Secondly, normal social interaction has to take into consideration the place, the gender and ages of those involved. In other words, the exact same small talk could signal one is a talkative guy or a creep making a lame pickup attempt.

More proof that you don't know how women think and work and you have no experience talking to strangers, or attractive young women. Many, many women like men much older than them. You'd know this if you had any experience at all or bothered listening to those on this forum who have success with much younger women. It is well-known red-pill 101 that a man's SMV peaks in his mid 40's. There are gigabytes worth of posts here on SS over the years demonstrating how older men routinely meet, sleep with, and get into relationships with much younger women. You choose to ignore that and make excuses instead.

I'm done here. I'm not going to keep debating something with you that you have absolutely zero experience with. The only reason I even posted this was in hopes that it will help prevent someone who came here to learn, from becoming pessimistic about approaching strangers because they read your uninformed theoretical posts.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

that’s not what you said

For a guy close to his 40s to succesfully approach a girl in her early 20s like OP ask and get her, you need brad pitt LMS value tier.

I'm afraid you missed the "and get her" part.

 

[pipeman84]

@oldmanofthesea
1. just because I don't have personal experience with cold approaching doesn't mean I shouldn't express my opinions on it or that they're automatically worthless. That's like saying a doctor shouldn't talk about diseases because after all he's healthy and hasn't experienced them.
2. your example with your ex wife doesn't fall under the cold approach in a grocery store...2 dog persons in a veterinary office, perfect organic opportunity for interaction. So while I don't dispute your theory about how women have fantasies about meeting men by accident, there's a big difference between the kind of accident you had with your ex wife and the forced ones that happen when the guy stalks a woman and opens with dumb questions about fruit or what she has in her basket.
3. you keep repeating about your successes and that of other members. I don't know about that, I keep reading about failures in cold approaches and how it negatively affects the guys' mental health. DUH

So then how would you start a conversation with a random 25yo by NOT "playing dumb" as you put it? Or have you ever done it? Or let me guess, you believe that not only can you not have a conversation by playing dumb but you can't have one at all, so this gives you the excuse not to bother trying. That is the INCEL mindset. Make excuses for yourself so you don't have to feel guilty about your lack of action and instead just sit around complaining about how "nothing works".

As a man, in order to be taken seriously by a woman, you have to have and project value. The wider the age gap, the more important this becomes. So using dumb openers is a double shoot in your own foot. You keep pressing me on how I do things, as if I stated anywhere that I'm an authority and all should do as I do. I don't do cold approach. I'm not interested in chit chat with random girls...most are not even attractive when you look closely at them (meaning, I read their faces and can form an idea of what they're about...most are giving airheads/hoe vibes. And I'm not talking out my ass here, there are quite a few I've seen several times and got their info and turned out they were indeed persons I didn't want anything to do with).

More proof that you don't know how women think and work and you have no experience talking to strangers, or attractive young women. Many, many women like men much older than them. You'd know this if you had any experience at all or bothered listening to those on this forum who have success with much younger women.

You got me all wrong on this one. I 100% agree that women prefer older men, I've argued this point in several threads.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

This is a fantastic post @oldmanofthesea and explains the whole "approaching" issue perfectly and what women respond to.

The key is to not make it appear like a "pick up" per se but a natural spontaneous conversation.

And the way in which you met your ex =

I met a man in a similar fashion on line at the grocery store and we dated several months! I may have posted it previously under my previous account before marriage.

See below between @Gamisch and me (first half) posted on a different cold approaching thread.

Cold approach is becoming impossible

Hello everyone. Has anyone else had the cops called on them on multiple occasions just for saying Hi and giving a basic compliment and leaving immediately and respectfully if they say they are not interested or ignore me? The approaches are done in heavily trafficked areas. For those worrying...

www.sosuave.net

Oh, let me just casually interject an innocent derailment involving "rape"

Don't mind me...

 

[member160292]

That's like telling a rocket scientist the best way to build a rocket when you are a janitor. It has everything to do with the subject at hand because you aren't speaking about something you have any experience with or knowledge of. In this case, cold approaching or having meaningful conversations with strangers or women much younger than you. If you wanted to learn how to get into acting, would you go ask questions of a person who once thought about becoming and actor but never actually tried, or would you go ask questions of a successful actor?



The probability is extremely high for me and many others here on this forum who do it with great success all the time. I've detailed many of the women I've dated who are half my age and I know of many others on the forum who have the same success. We know that because we do it. This whole quote just further demonstrates your lack of experience and understanding of women. Nearly every woman has a fantasy of meeting a guy by accident as she goes about her daily life. Movies and books that cater to women's fantasies (romantic dramas and romantic comedies) are literally FILLED with examples of this. Women don't ideally want to meet a man on a dating app or at a night club - they would rather meet him by accident - at a park, on an airplane, in the grocery store or at garden store. For fvck's sake dude I met my ex wife at a veterinarians office. We were both there with our dogs so I asked her a question about her dog and we got to talking about dogs and that got us talking about hiking and that got us talking about where we like to hike and that we like to camp and that we like to listen to music while we camp and that we like to listen to the same type of music. She was 23 when we met. I was 33. After my appointment was over I told her we should meet up and take the dogs for a hike soon and she immediately handed me a piece of paper with her phone number already written down on it - in hopes that I would ask her. I just don't understand WTF is it with you literally not understanding how to have a regular conversation with regular people and thinking there are all these nonsensical boundaries around who when and where you can meet and flirt with a girl? I do this exact same thing at 46 and get girls in their 20's all the time. But instead of listening to me, you keep ignoring all the stories of my successes (and the successes of other men on this forum) and instead you sit here talking out your azz about how it doesn't work, and then refusing to answer my questions about how much experience you have with women.

Non-conventional place for flirting? You're going to give me an aneurism. Ok it's true - there are sections of of my city that are taped off and marked as flirting zones. Only in these zones is it acceptable to talk to strangers and flirt with them and only in these zones will they flirt with you. Like many people, you don't believe it is acceptable or that approaching a stranger works because you've never tried it. This is what is called a self-limiting belief. Yet you are here preaching about it like you have any experience or understanding of it, and that's harming people who are here for advice. They have to filter through your bvll**** in order to get at the advice from the people who actually have experienced to share. Do you understand the difference between someone who just thinks they know how something works without ever trying it vs someone who has actually done it?



The only exception is that 99% of men don't cold approach. That's why. You cold approach, you become the exception, and you become the exception repeatedly.



So then how would you start a conversation with a random 25yo by NOT "playing dumb" as you put it? Or have you ever done it? Or let me guess, you believe that not only can you not have a conversation by playing dumb but you can't have one at all, so this gives you the excuse not to bother trying. That is the INCEL mindset. Make excuses for yourself so you don't have to feel guilty about your lack of action and instead just sit around complaining about how "nothing works".



And in response to your question about shifting to something meaningful, I asked you if you were asking me because you wanted me to help you learn how to have meaningful conversations with strangers or if you were just trying to prove that it won't work when you haven't even tried it yourself. You didn't answer me, and instead told me that you were already an expert on it and knew it wouldn't work. So why should I answer you? If you want an example, I just gave you one in this post talking about how I met my ex wife. Go to youtube and search "how to talk to anyone" or "how to have meaningful conversations with strangers". There is plenty of information out there if you were interested in investing your time and learning to improve your social skills.



More proof that you don't know how women think and work and you have no experience talking to strangers, or attractive young women. Many, many women like men much older than them. You'd know this if you had any experience at all or bothered listening to those on this forum who have success with much younger women. It is well-known red-pill 101 that a man's SMV peaks in his mid 40's. There are gigabytes worth of posts here on SS over the years demonstrating how older men routinely meet, sleep with, and get into relationships with much younger women. You choose to ignore that and make excuses instead.

I'm done here. I'm not going to keep debating something with you that you have absolutely zero experience with. The only reason I even posted this was in hopes that it will help prevent someone who came here to learn, from becoming pessimistic about approaching strangers because they read your uninformed theoretical posts.

Good post. The moment my ‘game’ went to the next level is just naturally having conversations with strangers.

 

[Divorced w 3]

@oldmanofthesea
1. just because I don't have personal experience with cold approaching doesn't mean I shouldn't express my opinions on it or that they're automatically worthless. That's like saying a doctor shouldn't talk about diseases because after all he's healthy and hasn't experienced them.
2. your example with your ex wife doesn't fall under the cold approach in a grocery store...2 dog persons in a veterinary office, perfect organic opportunity for interaction. So while I don't dispute your theory about how women have fantasies about meeting men by accident, there's a big difference between the kind of accident you had with your ex wife and the forced ones that happen when the guy stalks a woman and opens with dumb questions about fruit or what she has in her basket.
3. you keep repeating about your successes and that of other members. I don't know about that, I keep reading about failures in cold approaches and how it negatively affects the guys' mental health. DUH


As a man, in order to be taken seriously by a woman, you have to have and project value. The wider the age gap, the more important this becomes. So using dumb openers is a double shoot in your own foot. You keep pressing me on how I do things, as if I stated anywhere that I'm an authority and all should do as I do. I don't do cold approach. I'm not interested in chit chat with random girls...most are not even attractive when you look closely at them (meaning, I read their faces and can form an idea of what they're about...most are giving airheads/hoe vibes. And I'm not talking out my ass here, there are quite a few I've seen several times and got their info and turned out they were indeed persons I didn't want anything to do with).


You got me all wrong on this one. I 100% agree that women prefer older men, I've argued this point in several threads.

Using dumb openers is the best. What are you talking about?

 

[pipeman84]

. I just don't understand WTF is it with you literally not understanding how to have a regular conversation with regular people and thinking there are all these nonsensical boundaries around who when and where you can meet and flirt with a girl? I do this exact same thing at 46 and get girls in their 20's all the time.

Non-conventional place for flirting? You're going to give me an aneurism. Ok it's true - there are sections of of my city that are taped off and marked as flirting zones. Only in these zones is it acceptable to talk to strangers and flirt with them and only in these zones will they flirt with you.

Ok, so what does the bolded part really mean? You get to chit-chat, you get their numbers, you get to fvck them, what? You make it sound like some kind of achievement that a random 20 something girl gives you time of the day. Or that you once in a while manage to bang a hoe after going through plenty rejections and wasted time? That's very low ROI man, but if you enjoy it, keep doing it.

So you imply there are no differences between say a grocery store and a wedding? Women are just as receptive to engage with a stranger in both places? Do social etiquette and calibration mean something to you?

I'm done here. I'm not going to keep debating something with you that you have absolutely zero experience with. The only reason I even posted this was in hopes that it will help prevent someone who came here to learn, from becoming pessimistic about approaching strangers because they read your uninformed theoretical posts.

I challenged you on your cold approach example and you got all defensive. Man, I wasn't born yesterday. You come here and expect me to believe that as a 40+ yrs old you can shift from dumb openers to a meaningful conversation and dates with an attractive 20 something woman without tons of baggage and red flags? C'mon man. Good girls have been taught not to talk to strangers. Let alone guys older than them who are not socially calibrated and hit on them with lame pickup attempts.

 

[MtmVaott]

@pipeman84
I get your point here.
The important thing is to be in a welcoming mood. So you are actually spreading happiness through the supermarket.
While you do that, some women might be next to you and you try to 'contaminate' them.

If you are next to a woman in the super market, make up a question to come into a conversation with her, then you are the creep guy.

But the whole point is that you have to be welcoming in the first place, and this has to be a part of your personality. If you can only get yourself in that mood (e.g. by working out before) and then go to the supermarket, you are only temporarily welcoming and 'happiness spreading', and then you can't sustain what you attract.

 

[pipeman84]

If you are next to a woman in the super market, make up a question to come into a conversation with her, then you are the creep guy.

Don't take it as an absolute...let me make a couple of distinctions:
1. if a 20s something girl is minding her business looking at oranges and a 40+ years man moves next to her and says: 'I never can tell when these are ripe - how do you tell' that's creepy. It plays right into the stereotype of older men preying on younger girls and any girl without tons of baggage/red flags will immediately have defense walls raised. On the other hand, if the guy is the same age and starts smiling/laughing at the silliness of his own question, then there's no creepiness there.
2. if it's not the first time you two see each other in the supermarket, then it's already a different level. If she looks at you/smiles then we're talking about warm approach. So then if you say something like 'since we keep looking at each other, let's introduce ourselves...what's your name?' that's a direct, honest approach that doesn't demean you as a man and make you look dumb.

 

[Divorced w 3]

You come here and expect me to believe that as a 40+ yrs old you can shift from dumb openers to a meaningful conversation and dates with an attractive 20 something woman without tons of baggage and red flags? C'mon man. Good girls have been taught not to talk to strangers. Let alone guys older than them who are not socially calibrated and hit on them with lame pickup attempts.

-Miss, last time I put my hand in this basket to pick an Orange a mouse jumped out
-really?
-No
*both laugh*
-so what are you making with those oranges?

 

[9-3enthusiast]

How do you guys approach girls (18-25 yo) in grocery stores? What is your opener? How long would you talk before you ask for the #? Would you kino?

To make it a bit more concrete, let's say the girl is alone picking some fruits…

Not specifically grocery stores.... and at my age, my target demographic is somewhat older than 25 - I tend to do best with women mid 30s, through to late 40s.... But....

I do this kind of approaching all the time - I'm just naturally talkative - As I've got older I've become more sociable , with everyone.
I have no problem speaking to people I don't know, women included - And I've also got better at picking up on whether or woman's interested - If I think she is, I'll try to steer the conversation to get an idea of her availability.
Just make a comment about the surroundings.... look for things like eye-contact, etc.. You get better at judging body-language with practice... expand on the conversation if she seems happy to engage, and just wing-it from there.
When all goes well, I'll ask for some form of contact info. (phone no./social media/etc.) - or even straight out suggest a low-commitment date such as coffee/drinks/etc.
The trick is not to be anxious about the outcome - If things go well..... great! - If not, then I just go about my day.... no harm done.

Try to keep it light, and a woman will generally be much more open and friendly - Women generally aren't stupid, If you come across like you're specifically running 'game', her guard will go straight up.

Within the last few yrs, I picked one up while parking my car in town... She was parking hers so I made a comment about the parking situation and just expanded the convo from there...
Another one (early 40s at the time) was looking at guitar strings in a music store (turned out they were for her teen son) - I helped... and arranged a coffee date before leaving the store - She was tons of fun for a few months.....