That's a limiting to belief to assume past 30 the demographic is beyond you. Demographic is always 6-12 years younger. Everyone has a approach. Compliment is fine. There is a fine line between compliment and simp or pandering. Most men are dumb as **** to the difference.
Bro are you one of those who think that men peak at 40?
The game is cold approach.
Not true
Ok so 99.9% of 40 yrs old men are dating women 35+ all the way till their own age cause they are into "milfs".
that’s not what you said
And that is the difference between you and I. One of us is speaking from vast amounts of direct personal experience and success dating beautiful women half our age - years of experience and hundreds if not thousands of approaches/interactions, while the other is theorizing something won't work that they've never actually tried. Generally when people claim cold approach won't produce the desired results without them ever having done it, it is simply an excuse to make them feel better about not putting in the time and effort to evolve beyond their fears and face discomfort in order to achieve results that only 1% of men enjoy.
The very fact that you believe this to be true is all the proof that anyone who has cold approached needs in order to know that you have never done it. Your 99/100 number is correct, but you have it backwards. 99/100 20-30yo women will have a polite conversation with you if you are socially calibrated and don't look like a fvcking freak.But a 40yrs old guy going to a 25, 30yrs old woman with that opener would receive a 'what's with this weirdo' combined with a 'go away' look in maybe 99/100 cases.
WTF has that got to do with anything?
Never said 1., 2. is pretty much correct (as with anything, there are exceptions). In fact I personally know such an exception, he (21yrs) cold approached her (19yrs) at the subway station some 16yrs ago, now they're married with 2 kids. I mean, that's basic common sense, do I really have to spell it out? By 25yrs old, most (and by 30 virtually all) quality girls are either in a relationship or interested in finding someone close to their age via either social circle, OLD, activities etc. So what's the probability that as a 40yrs old you manage to find an attractive 25yrs old girl that 1. is available 2. is not bothered by the age gap 3. finds you attractive 4. willing to engage in flirting with a stranger in a non conventional place for that.
When a 40yrs old guy asks a random 25yrs old when the oranges are ripe, that's playing dumb....if the 25yrs old happens to be working at the grocery store in the fruit&veg department, then ok, it's a legit question. It's made even dumber/creepy (because both parties involved know it's not really about oranges) by the age gap.
Please don't patronize me. Firstly, I specifically asked how would you shift to something meaningful with that fruit example and you haven't answered. Secondly, normal social interaction has to take into consideration the place, the gender and ages of those involved. In other words, the exact same small talk could signal one is a talkative guy or a creep making a lame pickup attempt.
Man, I found the book online, read the grocery store chapter and had a good laugh followed by an exclamation of Jesus Christ!
No wonder the guy went insane....I mean, the whole behaviour of lingering in the grocery store, stalking girls and examining their shopping carts reeks. And to use those lines with a serious face would take a pretty low self esteem/retarded guy to begin with. He was 32 when the book was published...I don't know, maybe a clueless teen early 20s guy might be excused if he falls for it, tries it a bit and realizes the absurdity.
That's like telling a rocket scientist the best way to build a rocket when you are a janitor. It has everything to do with the subject at hand because you aren't speaking about something you have any experience with or knowledge of. In this case, cold approaching or having meaningful conversations with strangers or women much younger than you. If you wanted to learn how to get into acting, would you go ask questions of a person who once thought about becoming and actor but never actually tried, or would you go ask questions of a successful actor?WTF has that got to do with anything?
The probability is extremely high for me and many others here on this forum who do it with great success all the time. I've detailed many of the women I've dated who are half my age and I know of many others on the forum who have the same success. We know that because we do it. This whole quote just further demonstrates your lack of experience and understanding of women. Nearly every woman has a fantasy of meeting a guy by accident as she goes about her daily life. Movies and books that cater to women's fantasies (romantic dramas and romantic comedies) are literally FILLED with examples of this. Women don't ideally want to meet a man on a dating app or at a night club - they would rather meet him by accident - at a park, on an airplane, in the grocery store or at garden store. For fvck's sake dude I met my ex wife at a veterinarians office. We were both there with our dogs so I asked her a question about her dog and we got to talking about dogs and that got us talking about hiking and that got us talking about where we like to hike and that we like to camp and that we like to listen to music while we camp and that we like to listen to the same type of music. She was 23 when we met. I was 33. After my appointment was over I told her we should meet up and take the dogs for a hike soon and she immediately handed me a piece of paper with her phone number already written down on it - in hopes that I would ask her. I just don't understand WTF is it with you literally not understanding how to have a regular conversation with regular people and thinking there are all these nonsensical boundaries around who when and where you can meet and flirt with a girl? I do this exact same thing at 46 and get girls in their 20's all the time. But instead of listening to me, you keep ignoring all the stories of my successes (and the successes of other men on this forum) and instead you sit here talking out your azz about how it doesn't work, and then refusing to answer my questions about how much experience you have with women.
The only exception is that 99% of men don't cold approach. That's why. You cold approach, you become the exception, and you become the exception repeatedly.
So then how would you start a conversation with a random 25yo by NOT "playing dumb" as you put it? Or have you ever done it? Or let me guess, you believe that not only can you not have a conversation by playing dumb but you can't have one at all, so this gives you the excuse not to bother trying. That is the INCEL mindset. Make excuses for yourself so you don't have to feel guilty about your lack of action and instead just sit around complaining about how "nothing works".
And in response to your question about shifting to something meaningful, I asked you if you were asking me because you wanted me to help you learn how to have meaningful conversations with strangers or if you were just trying to prove that it won't work when you haven't even tried it yourself. You didn't answer me, and instead told me that you were already an expert on it and knew it wouldn't work. So why should I answer you? If you want an example, I just gave you one in this post talking about how I met my ex wife. Go to youtube and search "how to talk to anyone" or "how to have meaningful conversations with strangers". There is plenty of information out there if you were interested in investing your time and learning to improve your social skills.
More proof that you don't know how women think and work and you have no experience talking to strangers, or attractive young women. Many, many women like men much older than them. You'd know this if you had any experience at all or bothered listening to those on this forum who have success with much younger women. It is well-known red-pill 101 that a man's SMV peaks in his mid 40's. There are gigabytes worth of posts here on SS over the years demonstrating how older men routinely meet, sleep with, and get into relationships with much younger women. You choose to ignore that and make excuses instead.
I'm afraid you missed the "and get her" part.
As a man, in order to be taken seriously by a woman, you have to have and project value. The wider the age gap, the more important this becomes. So using dumb openers is a double shoot in your own foot. You keep pressing me on how I do things, as if I stated anywhere that I'm an authority and all should do as I do. I don't do cold approach. I'm not interested in chit chat with random girls...most are not even attractive when you look closely at them (meaning, I read their faces and can form an idea of what they're about...most are giving airheads/hoe vibes. And I'm not talking out my ass here, there are quite a few I've seen several times and got their info and turned out they were indeed persons I didn't want anything to do with).
You got me all wrong on this one. I 100% agree that women prefer older men, I've argued this point in several threads.
Oh, let me just casually interject an innocent derailment involving "rape"This is a fantastic post @oldmanofthesea and explains the whole "approaching" issue perfectly and what women respond to.
The key is to not make it appear like a "pick up" per se but a natural spontaneous conversation.
And the way in which you met your ex =
I met a man in a similar fashion on line at the grocery store and we dated several months! I may have posted it previously under my previous account before marriage.
See below between @Gamisch and me (first half) posted on a different cold approaching thread.
Cold approach is becoming impossible
Hello everyone. Has anyone else had the cops called on them on multiple occasions just for saying Hi and giving a basic compliment and leaving immediately and respectfully if they say they are not interested or ignore me? The approaches are done in heavily trafficked areas. For those worrying...
Good post. The moment my ‘game’ went to the next level is just naturally having conversations with strangers.
Using dumb openers is the best. What are you talking about?
Ok, so what does the bolded part really mean? You get to chit-chat, you get their numbers, you get to fvck them, what? You make it sound like some kind of achievement that a random 20 something girl gives you time of the day. Or that you once in a while manage to bang a hoe after going through plenty rejections and wasted time? That's very low ROI man, but if you enjoy it, keep doing it.
I challenged you on your cold approach example and you got all defensive. Man, I wasn't born yesterday. You come here and expect me to believe that as a 40+ yrs old you can shift from dumb openers to a meaningful conversation and dates with an attractive 20 something woman without tons of baggage and red flags? C'mon man. Good girls have been taught not to talk to strangers. Let alone guys older than them who are not socially calibrated and hit on them with lame pickup attempts.
Don't take it as an absolute...let me make a couple of distinctions:
-Miss, last time I put my hand in this basket to pick an Orange a mouse jumped out
Not specifically grocery stores.... and at my age, my target demographic is somewhat older than 25 - I tend to do best with women mid 30s, through to late 40s.... But....
