Coeds lament men shortage

[BeExcellent]

What matters?

Being as physically attractive as possible, which means height/weight proportionate (not overweight), not overly made up, nails & hair on point, attractive in dress; well put together.

Means feminine attitude, willing to defer, pleasant, kind, fun, engaging with good listening skills. Sexy, good social skills, emotional stability, self confident and secure.

Some men value intelligence and conversational skills including being conversational on a variety of topics.

Some men value independence in a financial sense.

Those are the things that matter most.

 

[MatureDJ]

This reminds me of a 46-year-old woman I know who looks like a toad ...

Does she look this bad?

 

[Cowboy-Cheems]

The problem is this happens a lot more nowadays compared to 20 years ago. 20 years ago women knew their SMV and accepted it Nowadays, they go on these swipe apps and feel entitled to a higher tier guy so For example a girl is a 4, but has a bunch of guys that are 6's-8's that matched with her. We know that women conflate sexual market value with relationship market value. We're a guy who is an 8 may bang a 4 but he won't take her seriously. However, to a woman, she thinks because she's banging 8s that's what she deserves.

This reminds me of a 46-year-old woman I know who looks like a toad, She loves men that are buff, 6 foot+ tall, and younger (early to mid 20s) however she knows to keep those guys beyond sex she has to shell out money, pay their bills etc. Eventually, she realized that it wasn't enough cause those guys would always cheat on her with younger and hotter women. She doesn't want men her age because she is not attracted to them.

However, I would also go as far to say that men are to blame for this as well because you have some men who will lower their standards enough to bang a 3 or 4 when they're double those women SMV and therein lies the problem as well. 20 years ago a woman would enjoy the experience(typically a one-off) and marry a guy close to her SMV. In 2023 this experience now can be a weekly thing for modern women because of swipe apps. Now women have doubled down and are not settling. A woman would rather be with a guy who is a broke bum if his SMV is an 8+ than be with a rich educated guy who is a 4 or 5 on her level. Let that sink in

Another story I know a 34 year blond, EXTREMELY MID white woman, no T&A. subpar face but she is thin. She has dated tons of men above her SMV who take her on dates all the time. I remember her bragging about going on 30 dates in 30 days years ago on snapchat. When asked by a mutual friend regarding why isn't married yet she said

"I'm hot and I want someone on my level"​

The delusion is real, the average guy in 2023 can't compete it sucks but this is why you see the "High Value Man" trope become so popular on redpill youtube in the last 3 years because most men can't even get an average woman cause average women are holding out for Chad/Tyrone/Enirque/Bruce Lee only

The majority of attractive men have had at least one weak moment in their life where they banged any female that offered. Most do it once and off the ugly girl as "practice for the hot ones," when in reality they lowered their standards in the name of thirst. I know 60+ year old hair dresser that surprisingly isn't gay. His wife left him a few years ago and people ask why he does not date women his age, his response was "Have you seen women my age?" I think he is trying to fill the "sugar-daddy" niche these days.

 

[Bigpapa]

The problem is this happens a lot more nowadays compared to 20 years ago. 20 years ago women knew their SMV and accepted it Nowadays, they go on these swipe apps and feel entitled to a higher tier guy so For example a girl is a 4, but has a bunch of guys that are 6's-8's that matched with her. We know that women conflate sexual market value with relationship market value. We're a guy who is an 8 may bang a 4 but he won't take her seriously. However, to a woman, she thinks because she's banging 8s that's what she deserves.

This reminds me of a 46-year-old woman I know who looks like a toad, She loves men that are buff, 6 foot+ tall, and younger (early to mid 20s) however she knows to keep those guys beyond sex she has to shell out money, pay their bills etc. Eventually, she realized that it wasn't enough cause those guys would always cheat on her with younger and hotter women. She doesn't want men her age because she is not attracted to them.

However, I would also go as far to say that men are to blame for this as well because you have some men who will lower their standards enough to bang a 3 or 4 when they're double those women SMV and therein lies the problem as well. 20 years ago a woman would enjoy the experience(typically a one-off) and marry a guy close to her SMV. In 2023 this experience now can be a weekly thing for modern women because of swipe apps. Now women have doubled down and are not settling. A woman would rather be with a guy who is a broke bum if his SMV is an 8+ than be with a rich educated guy who is a 4 or 5 on her level. Let that sink in

Another story I know a 34 year blond, EXTREMELY MID white woman, no T&A. subpar face but she is thin. She has dated tons of men above her SMV who take her on dates all the time. I remember her bragging about going on 30 dates in 30 days years ago on snapchat. When asked by a mutual friend regarding why isn't married yet she said

"I'm hot and I want someone on my level"​

The delusion is real, the average guy in 2023 can't compete it sucks but this is why you see the "High Value Man" trope become so popular on redpill youtube in the last 3 years because most men can't even get an average woman cause average women are holding out for Chad/Tyrone/Enirque/Bruce Lee only

If you talk about tinder and the likes, then yeah you have quite a good assessment of the situation

But the problem is that most of the girls ( above average ) are not on tinder or similar things. They might try it out or indulge in some validation, but they are not actively looking to actually meet someone from there ( at least here In Europe )

Most of the girls that are using tinder to actually go on a date or something are in the vast majority of cases sub par women.

You might also be lucky and find good looking girls that are smart and etc, but they tend to be the introverted ones ( and really not that many )

I see all the time average guys with average guys in real life and they look ok. I also see good looking girls with guys that maybe are not as “polished” as they are, and again they look ok. I also see guys that are better looking than the girls they are with. It is like a canvas with different things

Guys these days are f8cking lazy and accept crumbs. They have no self respect me if you ask me, as most of them rely extensively on tinder or similar things to get dates. Lack of self respect

I think that it would be smart to spend more time outside where people go out and look at the people

 

[Solomon]

Does she look this bad?

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She looks worse when I say toad it's not just her face but whole body gut and all

If you talk about tinder and the likes, then yeah you have quite a good assessment of the situation

But the problem is that most of the girls ( above average ) are not on tinder or similar things. They might try it out or indulge in some validation, but they are not actively looking to actually meet someone from there ( at least here In Europe )

Most of the girls that are using tinder to actually go on a date or something are in the vast majority of cases sub par women.

You might also be lucky and find good looking girls that are smart and etc, but they tend to be the introverted ones ( and really not that many )

I see all the time average guys with average guys in real life and they look ok. I also see good looking girls with guys that maybe are not as “polished” as they are, and again they look ok. I also see guys that are better looking than the girls they are with. It is like a canvas with different things

Guys these days are f8cking lazy and accept crumbs. They have no self respect me if you ask me, as most of them rely extensively on tinder or similar things to get dates. Lack of self respect

I think that it would be smart to spend more time outside where people go out and look at the people

Yes I'm talking Swipe apps hence I prefaced my post like that but I agree with you all the way You're spot on outside of swipe apps you will see all types of couples. I personally don't use swipe apps anymore. 90% of the women are bottom of barrel in my experience using Swipe apps even pretty Ones. I know some pretty women IRL who use swipe apps and the reason they have to is

1. Delusionaly picky
2. They are hoes in real life and men who know them personally don't take them seriously so they use swipe apps

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Seriously, bro, you're obsessed with that woman; this must be the 10th time you've posted her picture. Stop, please? You're probably singlehandedly responsible for raising her image ranking on Google Images.

Does she look this bad?

 

[Solomon]

Seriously, bro, you're obsessed with that woman; this must be the 10th time you've posted her picture. Stop, please? You're probably singlehandedly responsible for raising her image ranking on Google Images.

I think he wants to bang her, shouldn't be hard to find those types at the country club or local Trader joes lmfaooo

 

[nismo-4]

As a current college student, I will say that it is not easy as it looks. In my experience, only half (three-quarters on a good year) of the females available are actually attractive enough for me to entertain the idea of talking to them, and campus social life has low participation. Shared classes, extensions of friend groups and club meetings are about the only viable way to meet campus females. If you like banging fat chicks, then tinder or bumble set in the radius of the campus is a guaranteed lay, but at what cost?

They still want S-tier men.

I was in college, also in New Orleans (my hometown btw) and made myself near S-tier. I had clout. I had a tricked out Nissan. I was 6'3.

Sure you think 67 to 33 f-to-m ratio is good for a guy, but they still go for Chad and Tyrone. Bob and John still get friendzoned.

 

[MatureDJ]

Seriously, bro, you're obsessed with that woman; this must be the 10th time you've posted her picture. Stop, please? You're probably singlehandedly responsible for raising her image ranking on Google Images.

Yes, but she's unforgettable!

 

[SpartanWarrior77]

Does she look this bad?

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SHe looks more like 65!

 

[Cowboy-Cheems]

There's coeds demanding a greater presence of men??

Well I'm one man, and another one makes two. So, whose coming with me to end this crisis?

I admire your boldness, however I am afraid that much of the women that are suffering in this "crisis" might not exactly be what you are looking for....

 

[saige]

In my experience, only half (three-quarters on a good year) of the females available are actually attractive enough for me to entertain the idea of talking to them, and campus social life has low participation.

So, just chiming in with my pov. I found this topic really interesting because I’ve noticed some similarities and differences between our viewpoints being both in uni.

At my college there’s big Greek life presence so lots of girls that are at least moderately attractive, plus there’s like a slightt tilted gender ratio where the girls are kind of chasing the guys instead of the opposite way around.
I do agree with your other points though, but it goes both ways. Every guy wants the hottest sorority chick (top tiers do matter, as well as social media presence). There’s immense pressure to keep up with looks, name brand clothing, etc and even slight plastic surgery but it’s worth the investment imho. The cost of things like fake tans, lake extensions, hair, wardrobe really can add up, and they’re kinda “unnoffical requirements,” that sororities kinda require…

The top tier girls who care about ranks are all going for guys in top frats like pike, sig ep, theta chi. Think socially calibrated, confident and self assured, usually got something going for him. From my observations, some of the more popular majors in greek life include pre med and finance.

If you’re a dude in college and you want to maximize your chances with women I highly suggest joining greek life, having a good frame, solid connections, and just meeting girls organically through the methods you mentioned above.

 

[Cowboy-Cheems]

At my college there’s big Greek life presence so lots of girls that are at least moderately attractive, plus there’s like a slightt tilted gender ratio where the girls are kind of chasing the guys instead of the opposite way around.
I do agree with your other points though, but it goes both ways. Every guy wants the hottest sorority chick (top tiers do matter, as well as social media presence. There’s immense pressure to keep up with looks, name brand clothing, etc, but it’s worth the investment imho

The top tier girls who care about ranks are all going for guys in top frats like pike, sig ep, theta chi. Think socially calibrated, confident and self assured, usually got something going for him.

The Greek life is kind of strange at my campus. Pike's are seen as the partiers, but still only get the desperate average to ugly non-sorority girls to hang around them consistently. Sig ep had a similar case, though their intense hazing antics and rape accusations eventually got them thrown off campus. KA, ATO, and Sigma Nu do decently, but the social life on campus has been in decay for years and the virus has reached the greek orgs. Even the most bubbly sororities are not near as available to fraternities as a whole as they where in the past. The Greek orgs are turning into Campus tribes rather than social groups, unfortunately.

 

[saige]

@Cowboy-Cheems I honestly feel you on Greek life turning a bit cultish. I know frats do a lot of wild stuff, but sororities haze psychologically. They really get in your head, and some “sisters” are honestly some of the most two faced girls you’ll ever meet.

pike is top tier on our campus, but there’s the saying “pike spikes” (iykyk). I found it interesting how different chapters are viewed at each of our respective schools. At my school, pike is always paired with the top sorority, zeta tau alpha. So it just differs.

 

[Bigpapa]

@Cowboy-Cheems I honestly feel you on Greek life turning a bit cultish. I know frats do a lot of wild stuff, but sororities haze psychologically. They really get in your head, and some “sisters” are honestly some of the most two faced girls you’ll ever meet.

pike is top tier on our campus, but there’s the saying “pike spikes” (iykyk). I found it interesting how different chapters are viewed at each of our respective schools. At my school, pike is always paired with the top sorority, zeta tau alpha. So it just differs.

Fraternities and so on are linked with status

The better seen a fraternity is, the better it would be to be associated with it. Fraternities that do the best are also the ones that are linked with money or future success. It has nothing to do with how “ wild “ they are

If you are not linked with the right fraternity it is better not to be linked at all with any of them, if the aim is to get social status

In college, just as it is in high school, you either are a good athlete, either you are seen as a guy who has a bright future ahead ( smart, funny, at least average looking), either you are the guy that has usefull skills ( weed man, photographer, party organizer, etc ), either the guy part of the right fraternity ( social group ), or just you are this handsome guy

If you play any other game then very likely it is one that will not yield any decent results

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

As a current college student, I will say that it is not easy as it looks. In my experience, only half (three-quarters on a good year) of the females available are actually attractive enough for me to entertain the idea of talking to them, and campus social life has low participation. Shared classes, extensions of friend groups and club meetings are about the only viable way to meet campus females. If you like banging fat chicks, then tinder or bumble set in the radius of the campus is a guaranteed lay, but at what cost?

Looking back at it, I did not run into that great of quality in college compared to afterwards in terms of looks. Most college girls looked bland and then the few that were hot were dating athletes or were just out of reach for a college student. But hey, the red pill told me "they in their prime bruh" so who cares about looks and good sex, just listen to what the red pill says.

 

[SW15]

Looking back at it, I did not run into that great of quality in college compared to afterwards in terms of looks. Most college girls looked bland and then the few that were hot were dating athletes or were just out of reach for a college student. But hey, the red pill told me "they in their prime bruh" so who cares about looks and good sex, just listen to what the red pill says.

At "Hot Girl U" for me, there were more attractive women in a small radius than in the major cities where I lived post college.

Post-college city live in a big city can be solid for hotties too, the vibe feels different.

 

[Cowboy-Cheems]

Looking back at it, I did not run into that great of quality in college compared to afterwards in terms of looks. Most college girls looked bland and then the few that were hot were dating athletes or were just out of reach for a college student. But hey, the red pill told me "they in their prime bruh" so who cares about looks and good sex, just listen to what the red pill says.

At the end of day, you are either really good looking and/or a master at reading female psychology or you're a blind squirrel that occasionally finds the nut.

Most average to somewhat attractive guys that score in college typically fall into the blind squirrel category. Red pill logic is useful to know in regards to relationship dynamics and female nature, but it definitely should not be solely interpreted as the "Absolute Guide to Guaranteed sex with attractive women." Too many guys see it that way and get annoyed when women are not beating their door down just because they read a highly rated book.

I can go out and buy a hammer, nails, wood, and roofing, but the shed will not be built with just the tools and materials in my possession. I have to actually apply effort to make the shed a reality. If you learn all of these attraction theories but make no effort to make lifestyle changes that actually put women in your life that you can apply these theories to, then all those books and articles you read would actually be more useful to you if you used them as toilet paper.

 

[saige]

In college, just as it is in high school

That’s exactly what Greek life represents, a continuation of the popular people who were a combination of wealthy, socially calibrated, athlete, etc in high school.

I agree on your thought process that if it’s not a top tier frat or sorority there’s no point in joining. Everyone knows the bottom tiers have the more unattractive members who aren’t involved around campus and don’t have much of a sisterhood/brotherhood to go by. However, exceptions exist in each one.

I’d argue that fraternity status matters a bit more than sorority. If you’re a girl and you’re hot, you’re hot. If you’re a dude who’s not the most physically attractive but you’re in a top tier that’s going to help. But then again, top tier frats usually recruit top looking guys.

 

[SW15]

I ended up at "Hot Girl U".

Imagine going to college for the girlza and not to get a good education in a field where you can be successful.

There were academic reasons for me to attend and graduate from "Hot Girl U". The attractiveness of the female student body and party scene environment were also factors in my decision to attend the college I attended.