Clubbing Report - Prognosis Not Good, approached a lot of chicks

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Ok I really need some advice on the whole club scene here.

First of all I serously am a decent looking guy. I have a girlfriend that I've been with a year, but me and some friends were celebrating so we went to a big latin club. I went up to several, and I mean several girls, here's exactly what happend as best as I can remember (I was kind of tipsy)

Well first me and my friends loaded up, drinking by the bar. WHen I started feeling it, I went on the dance floor. I started basically scoping the floor out, seeing what honey's were available etc..

Well the first girl I spotted was standing kind of on the edge of the floor with a few of her friends dancing. We made eye contact, I smiled, and she smiled back. 3 sec rule here we go. I walk up to her and flat out ask her if she wants to dance, she shakes her head yes, and we move a little bit into the floor. We danced for a little, I tried grabbing her waist, and although she didn't push me away, she didn't seem to receptive to it. I would grab her waist for a little, then let go, then try again. I was trying to get a grinding session, but I guess I just don't know what Im doing.

Well after a while the floor started getting packed, so she's like lets move to the edge of the dance floor (where she was originally, and where her friends were) so we did, and basically we were light dancing with each other. Our eyes would meet occasionally, and we'd both smile. I started making small talk to her while we were dancing. I asked her her name, where she was from, how old she was, what she did for work etc... She basically was a 31 year old who worked in finance. She asked me how old I was, and I said guess. She said 25, and I'm like close,26.

So anyway, one of my friends came and started dancing with one of her friends to the right of her, he was trying to make conversation also. I really wasn't feeling this girl and wanted to find a better target, so I told her I'll be right back, she's like ok I'll be here.

When I get back from the bathroom my friend actually met me on the outside, and was telling me to go back to these girls, he thought he could get laid. I really didn't want to, but I guess there was nothing stirring at the time, so I went back, and I said to her "you're still here" she's like "yep" and we started dancing lightly with each other. Well I don't think her other friend was feeling my friend, so she whispered in her ear something, and then this girl told me she's be right back, and both girls went somewhere else.

I was actually glad, cause now it was time to scope out some more hunnies. Well I attempted to try and dance with a few more girls I saw on the floor who were attractive, but they either moved when I approached (on purpose) our indicated with their hand that they weren't interested dancing with me, and continued dancing with their friends.

Ok whatever, so then I see this girl other girl dressed in red, pretty attractive, she was dancing with a group of her friends. I danced up by her, she looked at me, I looked at her, we started dancing. Again, I would try and grab her waist every so often to get a grind session going, but she didn't seem receptive, so then I would let go and just dance. I again would try and talk to her in her ear. I asked her what nationality she was, her name. She said she was 21 and it was her birthday. I said happy birthday, we danced a little bit more, and then she kind of danced away towards her friends.

Ok, I decided to take a little break from the floor. So I finally find my friends, we slam another drink, and then we hang out right outside the dance floor. All of a sudden I see these 2 girls heading to the dance floor. On their way there, some guy approahces this one girl and tries to start talking to her. The other girl just continued walking to the floor while her friend was distracted. I followed her friend and went right up to her and started dancing. She looked at me first, then started dancing with me. Again I would try to grab the waist, then let go. Whenever I did grab the waist, she seemed to dance away like she didn't want to dance that way. Again I made some smal talk in her ear, asking her name nationality etc.. While this was happening her friend got rid of the guy that tried to approach her, so she was bascially alone on the dance floor just watching us. I was expecting the girl I was dancing with to stop and go back to her friend cause they were making eye contact. She did however dance with me for few songs. All of a sudden she shakes my hand and says "thank you for the dance". I asked her "Want to get a drink" and she's like "no no that's ok" and just goes by her friend.

damn......

Ok so Im still on the dance floor... I try dancing with some more girls I see, but they either signal with their hand that they aren't interested, or they dance away. Well I see this pretty hot asian girl in the middle of the floor. I go right up to her and try to dance with her. She looks at me first for like a good 5 seconds and then she puts her hand out and we hold hands and start dancing. I then grab her waist and she seems ok with it. We dance for a little bit, and I try to talk to her in her ear, she's like "Im sorry I can't hear you its too loud in here" then she makes a face like ok it was fun, and turns around and starts dancing with her friends again.

dammmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ok so same routine I try to dance with some more chicks, get rejected. I then go up to this girl in a red dress pretty good looking. We start dancing, I think we might have held hands at first while dancing, I can't really remember now. Anyway again, I try grabbing the waist, but nothing really comes of it. Im always hoping then when I grab the girls waist, she will then grab on to me, and we still start dancing close, when it doesn't happen I get discouraged, like Im not sure if this girl wants me to touch her on the waist or not. Well anyway I ask her in her ear, her name, nationality. Who remembers her name, but she said she was puerto rican, she then asked me my nationality and I said I was Italian, that's why I have no rhythm. She playfull hit me and was chuckling. Well anyway after dancing with me for a bit, she kind of dances away with her friends. Well get this... I go somewhere else for a second, when I come back, I see this girl dancing with some other guy, and she is rubbing her ass all on him.... What the hell????/

Also, remember the first girl I was talking to that I danced with. Well she didn't seem to dance tight with me right. Well I saw her standing in the same spot I was talking to her in the beginning. I walked up to her and said "you're still here" she's like "yeah" definitely not to receptive as I could tell she wasn't feeling me anymore. Then some other guy takes her hand, they both go to the middle of the dance floor, and dance pretty tight. What gives????

Ok so I start looking for new targets. I go up to this one girl I see dancing with her friends. I kind of approach her from the side and try to start dancing with her. She turns around looks at me with a "you're the ugliest thing I've ever seen" I was looked at her, and said "come on, I know Im not that ugly" she smiles at me and says "oh noo I thought you were just trying to get through"
Well like the others, we start dancing, I try to grab her waist to initate grinding and nothing, she again goes back to her friend after a little bit of dancing.

Ok I know this post is long, there was one more girl I danced with. This girl was probably the most attractive of all the girls I did dance with. I saw her with her friends dancing, and I went up to her and started dancing. She turned around and immediately started dancing with me. Since she seemed to feel me right away, I immediately went to grab her waist, and she actually took my hands and moved them off. So she's still dancing with me, really into the music as she was singing the lyrics out loud while dancing. I make eye contact with her and smile a few times. I then go to ask her name in her ear "and she's like Im sorry I don't understand, I can't hear" then turns around and dances with her friends.


Ok so I know Im doing something wrong, but I think I have potential here. I think what's really the problem is that I can't dance, or dont know what to do. Any advice you can give analyzing my situation would be very helpful.

To top things off, I called my girlfriend like 4 in the morning and left her a voice mail because she got mad last time I went out with my friends and didn't call her when I got back. I obviously didn't tell her I went to a club, but with that voice mail so late she probably thinks that and hasn't called me since.


pimping aint easy

This was a true story.
 

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The club is random as hell....You arnt always gonna hook up every night and most girls that are there are just trying to dance and sh1t...Some girls are trying to hook up, but you gotta find them...So just go to the club to have fun and dont stress anything else...
 

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oh I forgot to mention 2 things.

Sometime after the girl that was rubbing her ass on the other guy and before the end of the night, I did dance with this other girl who actually did hold on to me, and I held on to her. We even made the small talk, but again after a while she left and started dancing with her friends.


Now sometime before all this I was near the entrance of a club and I saw a girl talking on her cell phone. She was by herself and some other guy tried to approach her and obviously got shot down.

So I went in and used old Pug's line

"Excuse me can I ask you a question"

"Yeah what?"

"Are you single"

"No"

"Ok"
 

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Next time you go to the club, dance with the girl and you END the dance with her FIRST. Then dance with another, and END that one first. Continue this a couple/few more times. This says so many things. It shows you are in control of yourself. This also creates a challenge for her. It also tells other girls what does that girl see in that guy, I think I am better. You are better off making them wonder what you think and they will open up more to you.
 

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i realised something about clubbing..

most friday nights, i go to the local night club. alot of people from my highschool go there. i've met many friends of friends, and their friends. each time i go there, i know atleast 30% of the people there.
some will be on the dance floor, some will be by the bar, i'm never lonely. i am no better then average looking, but i have an outstanding success rate at this club, last friday i hooked up with 2 girls while in the club, and a 3rd that my mate arranged to meet back at their house.
now when i go to other clubs, i do still pick up. but lets say it'd be about 1 girl out of every 3 clubs. compared to the 1 or 2 i'd normally pick up at the local one.
here is the major differences.

social proof - i have so much social proof at the local club, girls i know are always buzzing around me cause they know that i'm fun to be around.

location - i'm not sure if this is a factor, but when i go to other clubs, i'll walk in, buy a drink or 2, go straight to the dancefloor, and only really leave to get more drinks.
but when i'm at the local club, i spend ALOT more time around the bar, and kinda walking around meeting friends then on the dance floor. of course, the picking up bit is more done on the dancefloor with girls who i've met near the bar.

this may all be irrelevant, i only questioned why i had so much success at the local on saturday night, when i was out at another club and had nothing going for me (although later in the night i made something happen, again right at the bar actually)

unless your a really good dancer and dancing works for you, i recomend cutting it down, spend more time around the bar where you can use c+f and neg hits and everything.
 

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IMO clubbing success is 95% image and 5% dancing skill.
 

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I you haven't read this post on dancing, read this post by Kinetic Charm:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=50818

It's on point in my opinion.

I don't do that many dance floor approaches anymore as I'm trying to get better at opening women and talking to them around the bar area before getting to dancing. When I first went clubbing, I did nothing but dance floor approaches. I can give a couple of suggestions that might help you a little.

Instead of asking a girl to dance, what I do is just give her some eye contact and extend my arm to her, then grab her hand and lead her to the dance floor. I don't do that "will you dance with me" stuff. It doesn't work.

Once you are on the dance floor, pay attention to the hands. I like to grab a woman's hands, then spin her around a couple of times. Keep eye contact up and observe her body language. She'll let you know when she is ready for you to move in closer.

Don't dance with her too long. Only dance with her a couple of songs, then lead her to a different location to the club. Some women like to entertain themselves while dancing with you for several songs, so you want to get a gauge of her interest right off the bat. If you lead her off the dance floor to a different spot, then you'll get a better clue if she's into you or not. Use your judgement, there's no fast rule to apply here, as occasionaly dancing can get quite heated and a makeout session can ensue.
 

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i don't have time to read that whole thing, but i'll try check it out later..
i'm pretty happy with my game at the minute..

i think i've kissed about 9-10 girls, got about 4-5 numbers, + 2 headjobs since i broke up with my girlfriend just before december last year.
but nothing wrong with adding dancing pickups too my game. i have made them, but the bit of kinnetis post i read did sound pretty solid..

i think my main thing is, when i'm dancing, i'm dacing with 3 or 4 guys, and seriously, girls ALWAYS come around our group nice and close, bit of bumping etc.
i'd call that an IOI but then i guess its the confidence, i don't want to get rejected infront of my mates..

more often then not, i don't get rejected, so its a weird feeling which i should easily overcome.
 

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You're trying to hard. You should chill, be the relaxed dude in the place. Don't dance. Let's say that again since every approach you did involve some form of dancing...don't dance. On top of that you can't dance and realise this yourself. Clubbing is all about looking good, but even more important being attractive. Telling some girl a couple of lines + some small talk then dance with her is not the way to do it.

I don't know how exactly to explain the feeling, but every guy who experienced this, knows what I speak of. It's when you just had a great, easy, laidback convo with a girl or group of girls. Look around see some other girls swiftly look away. Go for a walk in the club/bar, enjoy the atmosphere, music and the cold drink in your hand. Making some dance moves, really getting in the mood. And then get a big smile on your face because you know you OWN the place. You not only know it, but you feel it in every inch in your body. At that very moment you are in another place on all levels.

Strangest thing is that I only experience this when I'm out alone. Well this reply is becoming a little too long. Tell you what I will post my FR of last night, Saturday that is.
 

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You're on the right track with the approaching part. Don't feel down about it at all. Many girls go there just to dance with friends and have a good time. They're not all there thinking "I hope a guy hits on me and tries to pick me up". Some girls actually do want to get picked up, but they are a minority in most clubs. The odds are against you, so again don't feel down about your apparent lack of success.
 

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The thing is I know some girls just go there to have fun, but I've seen a few girls dance tighter with other guys than they have with me.

It must be that I can't dance, because some girl did dance with me to begin with but then left. guess I didnt know what I was doing.

Any more thoughts would be appreciated.

Also, how can I learn to dance? and how do I iniate the grinding/hooking up?
 

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Originally posted by SnoopDoggyCow
The thing is I know some girls just go there to have fun, but I've seen a few girls dance tighter with other guys than they have with me.

It must be that I can't dance, because some girl did dance with me to begin with but then left. guess I didnt know what I was doing.

Any more thoughts would be appreciated.

Also, how can I learn to dance? and how do I iniate the grinding/hooking up?
Did you read the link to Kinetic Charm's posted that I put in my last post? There is plenty of information there that will help you on the dance floor. I also added some tips in that post. That stuff does work. Read it if you haven't.

If dancing isn't your thing, then talk to the women by the bar. Most clubs have a high traffic bar area. Just hand out around there, observe your environment for targets and open them. You don't have to go on the dance floor to meet women in clubs. I prefer this approach nowadays and I only go on the dance floor if I have to.

If you really want to learn the basics, take a salsa or swing class or something along those lines. Also you can observe the guys that know what they're doing on the dance floor and mimic them. I used to party with this dude who was insane on the dance floor so I just copied what he did and it worked.
 

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DUDE!

stop grabbing their fvcking waists!

that seems like 9/10ths of the problem right fvcking there!

stop trying to initiate a fvcking grinding session for fvck's sake!

dance! cuz dancing is different than fvcking! and just cuz you're on the dance floor doesn't give you cart blanche to start fondling their breasts....

try not touching them anywhere you wouldn't on a supermarket pickup and see if that works better for you.

it may be a case of 'bold but not smooth' so 'feel it out' as it were....

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Originally posted by SnoopDoggyCow
Well first me and my friends loaded up, drinking by the bar.
That's probably a big part of your problem. Women can sense when you're more intoxicated than them and it makes them uncomfortable. Especially if you're showing signs. Also you start doing sh!t you can't even pick up on.

I tried grabbing her waist,

I would try and grab her waist every so often

Again I would try to grab the waist,

I then grab her waist

Anyway again, I try grabbing the waist,

Im always hoping then when I grab the girls waist, she will then grab on to me, and we still start dancing close, when it doesn't happen I get discouraged, like Im not sure if this girl wants me to touch her on the waist or not.

Well like the others, we start dancing, I try to grab her waist

I immediately went to grab her waist, and she actually took my hands and moved them off.

Ok so I know Im doing something wrong,
A little slow, aren't we? ;)
 

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Alright alright I guess I shouldn't grab the waist. The thing is I have gone out before and not touched, and yeah we danced, but not much happend after that. I see guys in the club grinding with girls, how do I get that to happen?

So Many Ways:

Thanks for the advice, it probably is the best on here. Ill have to read that article, if you endorse it must be good. Also that holding out your hand seems like a good idea. I usually have been asking but Ive seen some guys do that, maybe that can really help.

Also you said you used to dance approach and now you don't.

Any other advice you can give would be great. I will read that kinetic article soon.

Thanks bro.
 

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My digicam is my trust worthy compangon. Take a picture of a girl they notice the flash. Instant conversation in a second :). Most girls like to get photographed and the ones that get mad ah well comes with the territory.

And then with dancing I have a strict hands off policy untill offcourse they are needed :p. Basicly I spot a girl make ec smile maybe raise my glass. If she smiles back I don't rush over I just dance I keep the ec going after a while I walk upto her keep my mouth closed and my hands off her reaction tells you all you need to know keep dancing until it evolves into a "grinding session" :p. Then after a while my hands come into play I'll most likely put my hand on the back of her neck if she facing me otherwise I turn her around :). She'll engage hands now too lean in kiss her and then ask her name :)

That's how I do it offcourse I have no experiece with the american club scenen so it could be that this wouldn't work overthere :p
 
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