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Word? I think that would just create more gold-diggers and women incapable of fostering any self-worth.
It might be the case in theory, but when I look at the generations of women from old times, it isn't true at all. The women from my mother's generation and older are vastly superior to what we have now, in terms of feminine qualities. We have a lot more gold-diggers now than we've ever had in the past, thanks to the "Family" Court and their female bias. High-profile divorces which cost the man millions after a short marriage did not exist. Most women these days only bring sex to the table and nothing else (and on the topic of this thread, they're not that good at it either, nor do they have to do much). It's a sad state when I (and I've seen many guys say the same) can cook better, and keep a tidier place than nearly every woman I've dated. I must give them one thing: they all know where the best restaurants are. :D

Shouldn't it be fair game all around, where no one is given special treatment?
Again it sounds great in theory, but in reality there are a few problems with that:

- Women are given special treatments everywhere.
- You're relying on a sense of fairness in everyone, male and female. For males, there's always been a code of honour through out the ages, across cultures and continents. There is no such thing for females. They don't understand fairness, and when they're given special treatments all the time, they take it for granted and don't have to think about what's fair.

For example, have you ever seen women collectively tackle the glass *floor* in the workforce, to have more women become garbage collectors, toilet cleaners etc.? Or they're only talking about the glass ceiling?

For those same women chasing the elusive ladder to the heavenly place above that glass ceiling, have you ever seen one think of marrying or even dating down? Well I must admit that there are some exceptions, but the majority don't, and for the ones who have tried it, most complain that they're unhappy about it.

I'd never trust a female to be fair.

The women of previous generations who didn't have the economic advantages had great incentives to improve themselves and bring more to the table. That's how human beings work best. Just like in a company, the employees wouldn't work any harder if they couldn't get any reward for their efforts.

That's why communism failed in practice, but sounds great in theory.
 

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It all comes down to supply and demand. It's that simple. You have to make yourself a commodity and therefore lessen the competition and create a sellers market where you are the product. This rarely happens in the US with all the AFC's doing the damage. I spent my 24th year in Costa Rica and have rarely been interested in AW since then. I took a flyer with a AW last year and got burned. OK back to my latinas now.
 

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I just don't understand all the b!tching about how "unfair" women are, and how men have it so bad because women aren't paying $$$ for the c0ck, and how society encourages women to be b!tches, blah blah blah... I just don't see how this topic of discussion is manly, for one, and helpful in the greater scheme of things, for two.

I swear, after spending time with real men in the real world, who have it together, then coming here, it is like the twilight zone, and I always feel so disconnected and shocked at the dismal and defeatist attitudes here. Its like a mountain of crap on one's shoulders to even TRY to convince someone otherwise, that life and women really aren't THAT bad. Ha, some men would tell you that women are GREAT, but we all know how that flies here.

I personally think men are great, and am happy to know some real ones. After spending time here getting into the minds of some I'll say discouraged ones, (instead of bitter, lol), then going out and having a ball with a man who doesn't have that chip on his shoulder and isn't afraid to be a man, and lets me be a woman, that sh!t is GREAT. This site makes me appreciate those men to a whole nutha degree. It goes from a "wow he is great" to "Thank GOD he even exists!"


I think my point is, what is the point of b!tching about the fact that women don't pay for sex, and that men are actually willing to? Instead of even asking why that is (for really though), and taking responsibility for why that is, what could be a really interesting topic turns into another "woe is me, I am man, hear me cry" thread where women are blasted for basically having vaginas. Smooth.
 

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I swear, after spending time with real men in the real world, who have it together, then coming here, it is like the twilight zone, and I always feel so disconnected and shocked at the dismal and defeatist attitudes here.
What makes you think that your "real men in the real world" don't think the same way, but don't say it when you're around? Men don't trust women on these topics.

It's not a defeatist attitude. Men are risk takers, but we aren't stupid. We calculate the risks and see if it's worth it to jump in. If the rewards aren't worth the risks, we leave the game or take it less seriously and don't invest in it. It's that simple.
 

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Funny thread...I met up with one of my ex's the other day and we were having a few drinks so I told her what a nice gig women have these days. Sit in the bar, have guys fight over who is gonna buy you drinks, and then choose one to take you home. Where you will underperform, because you can. She laughed and said I had a unique way of looking at things. Then I took her home and fvcked her...lol.

Yeah women do find facts and realism a "unique" way of seeing things. It's funny how she did just like you predicted, she "chose" a guy to go home from the bar and fvck lol. Good work :up: .
 

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Jitterbug said:
What makes you think that your "real men in the real world" don't think the same way, but don't say it when you're around? Men don't trust women on these topics.

It's not a defeatist attitude. Men are risk takers, but we aren't stupid. We calculate the risks and see if it's worth it to jump in. If the rewards aren't worth the risks, we leave the game or take it less seriously and don't invest in it. It's that simple.
Well that is smart (your second paragraph).

But you can tell the difference from a man who thinks all women are conniving gold digging plotting to marry you so she can divorce you and take your millions (or your beat up chevy), and without the ability to make a rational thought with her useless empty mind, FROM THE men who truly love to be around women, and enjoy getting to know them. Most men that I come across aren't that scared of women's intentions to the point where they "don't trust women" on these topics, or period. they just don't seem to even think of women as some sort of threat, at all.

Just the thought alone, doesn't fly with most men I meet.
 

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can you guys imagine how it would change men's psychology if they started hearing about women paying 4,000 for an hour of sex with a male escort? or heck, even 200 bucks an hour.

when women constantly hear about other women escorts / strippers, etc. making CRAZY mad dough for having sex with men or showing men their p*ssy on stage, is it any wonder women feel their p*ssy is so damn valuable and use it to gain pedestal status?
You have to understand, that sex is incredibly EASY for a woman(a HOT one) to get as we all should know here. We all are aware that attraction works completely different for women than it does for men. All a woman has to do is look HOT, and a man wants to automatically f*ck her. Men have to do a ton of other ridiculous things to f*ck a HOT woman. A lot of times it is hard to meet "the ton of other things" that work as attraction factors for women. The "ton of other things" is part of your GAME. If your game is off, you aren't going to bed the HOT chick. Having good game is tough, I'm not gonna pretend it isn't. Sometime I feel burnt after gaming a chick that it's so draining on the brain. You really have to concentrate on what you're doing and be aware at all times. Depending on what it is, one slip up, and you're up the creek, and you could go home jerking off. Anyway, that's why I always say HOT women have such an easy life. Look HOT, get FAR(in all facets of life besides getting any man they want). Imagine that. I know you disagree with me Joekker, but it's really a fact. I don't know how you can't see it. I agree, yes, HOT women will have problems and get depressed, nobody's life is perfect, but their problems aren't nearly as bad as most mens.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, guys pay all this money for escorts, BECAUSE getting laid isn't easy(even with good game). I'm talking by HOT women. What I don't understand is, why these guys pay $1500 for an hour with a HOT escort, when you can be paying $300 an hour with an escort just as hot, if not hotter. I bang HOTTER escorts for the price of $300, than the one Spitzer chose.
 

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Jitterbug said:
What makes you think that your "real men in the real world" don't think the same way, but don't say it when you're around? Men don't trust women on these topics.

It's not a defeatist attitude. Men are risk takers, but we aren't stupid. We calculate the risks and see if it's worth it to jump in. If the rewards aren't worth the risks, we leave the game or take it less seriously and don't invest in it. It's that simple.
Yeah really, iqqi is getting djed out of her panties by probably the biggest actors of all consider her attitude. She doesn't get a lot of things no matter how well or often they're explained here. I mean jeez, didn't I say a short time ago in another thread that it is unproductive to call women out? Yet she stil imagines we go around stating are beliefs on here to women in real life :rolleyes: .

Oh yeah, your post before this one was totally right on. I'm going to have to rep that.
 

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Yeah really, iqqi is getting djed out of her panties by probably the biggest actors of all consider her attitude. She doesn't get a lot of things no matter how well or often they're explained here. I mean jeez, didn't I say a short time ago in another thread that it is unproductive to call women out? Yet she stil imagines we go around stating are beliefs on here to women in real life :rolleyes: .
Any man with an attitude like yours towards women is going to come across differently to a woman, than say a man like Fingz. You don't have to say to a chick "you all suck" for her to pick up on the fact that you are being pretty hard on her for no apparent reason.

Your frame of mind most likely dicates which type of women you are meeting, and what happens after that as well.

I see guys like you all the time, I don't really bother with them at all. I am probably that "b!tch who thinks she is the sh!t because she has a pvssy" to guys like you, in real life. guess what? I don't care what you think. I can tell the difference from you, and the hot guy a few feet away from you, who is smiling at me, and is open, and willing to see what happens, without worrying about who is in control, or (heaven forbid) what my intentions are with his wallet, or what I will think about him if he buys me a drink, or opens the car door for me.

I am flattered by your imagination regarding what is going on with my panties in real life by the way.
 

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You have to understand, that sex is incredibly EASY for a woman(a HOT one) to get as we all should know here. We all are aware that attraction works completely different for women than it does for men. All a woman has to do is look HOT, and a man wants to automatically f*ck her. Men have to do a ton of other ridiculous things to f*ck a HOT woman. A lot of times it is hard to meet "the ton of other things" that work as attraction factors for women. The "ton of other things" is part of your GAME. If your game is off, you aren't going to bed the HOT chick. Having good game is tough, I'm not gonna pretend it isn't. Sometime I feel burnt after gaming a chick that it's so draining on the brain. You really have to concentrate on what you're doing and be aware at all times. Depending on what it is, one slip up, and you're up the creek, and you could go home jerking off. Anyway, that's why I always say HOT women have such an easy life. Look HOT, get FAR(in all facets of life besides getting any man they want). Imagine that. I know you disagree with me Joekker, but it's really a fact. I don't know how you can't see it. I agree, yes, HOT women will have problems and get depressed, nobody's life is perfect, but their problems aren't nearly as bad as most mens.

Anyway, the point I'm trying to make is, guys pay all this money for escorts, BECAUSE getting laid isn't easy. I'm talking by HOT women. What I don't understand is, why these guys pay $1500 for an hour with a HOT escort, when you can be paying $300 an hour with an escort just as hot, if not hotter. I bang HOTTER escorts than the one Spitzer chose for that price($300).

I don't think too many guys honestly disagree with that. I'd go so far to say you could take the word "HOT" and place "average" girl and what you're saying is still generally true. Women hot or not are capricious, judgemental, and subjective, not too mention pretty shallow. It's because they can be. But if a girl is hot she can basically write her ticket just off her looks. A lot of women really are attracted to or value the wrong things. I've known genuine, quality, good guys who had to change their persona to more douchbaggy, and azzholish (for lack of better terms) and just basically act stupider to get some play from girls. I've also known guys who had a lot of stuff going for them who were virgins into their mid and late 20's. That's not something guys normally admit. So just imagine how many of them that are out there.

I would only slightly disagree with your previous posts that you can have good looks and good game and not getting any hot girls. Perfect game isn't really necessary. There's really no such thing as perfect game, well perfect game would be being a handsome celebrity basically. Anyway, you just need the required looks and avoid making any big mistakes in your game nor have any fatal flaws in your delivery.
 

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Any man with an attitude like yours towards women is going to come across differently to a woman, than say a man like Fingz. You don't have to say to a chick "you all suck" for her to pick up on the fact that you are being pretty hard on her for no apparent reason.

Your frame of mind most likely dicates which type of women you are meeting, and what happens after that as well.

I see guys like you all the time, I don't really bother with them at all. I am probably that "b!tch who thinks she is the sh!t because she has a pvssy" to guys like you, in real life. guess what? I don't care what you think. I can tell the difference from you, and the hot guy a few feet away from you, who is smiling at me, and is open, and willing to see what happens, without worrying about who is in control, or (heaven forbid) what my intentions are with his wallet, or what I will think about him if he buys me a drink, or opens the car door for me.

I am flattered by your imagination regarding what is going on with my panties in real life by the way.
First off you're wrong. You don't know what I or any other guy does in everyday life. You would buy into whatever spiel and facade a guy is selling you. And what if what you're saying was true? It just simply means you are a control freak and only surround yourself with supplicating men. Let me tell you, your sentiments are mutual. I can snuff out AWs and women with a chip on their shoulder. I would never go for a girl like you. You're the epitome of what every self-respecting guy should avoid. You've basically came on here and said you like men who supplicate for the pvssy. And you call them real men. You're proving my point about typical women.

I can tell the difference from you, and the hot guy a few feet away from you, who is smiling at me, and is open, and willing to see what happens, without worrying about who is in control
I had to highlight that one. See it's all superficial for you, "he's got to be hot..". The rest is just a facade the guy has to get some pvssy (not that there's anything wrong with that). Guys tell you this on here and you still want to deny it. Let me tell you, that hypothetical "real man" you mentioned is probably telling his buddies about the ho he pulled from the bar and high fiving each other lol (again not saying this is wrong, just that it's not the way you think it is). Do you think knowing all this, that when I go out I'm not playing that part on the girls I pick out? :crackup:
 

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First off you're wrong. You don't know what I or any other guy does in everyday life. You would buy into whatever spiel and facade a guy is selling you. And what if what you're saying was true? It just simply means you are a control freak and only surround yourself with supplicating men. Let me tell you, your sentiments are mutual. I can snuff out AWs and women with a chip on their shoulder. I would never go for a girl like you. You're the epitome of what every self-respecting guy should avoid. You've basically came on here and said you like men who supplicate for the pvssy. And you call them real men. You're proving my point about typical women.



I had to highlight that one. See it's all superficial for you, "he's got to be hot..". The rest is just a facade the guy has to get some pvssy (not that there's anything wrong with that). Guys tell you this on here and you still want to deny it. Let me tell you, that hypothetical "real man" you mentioned is probably telling his buddies about the ho he pulled from the bar and high fiving each other lol (again not saying this is wrong, just that it's not the way you think it is). Do you think knowing all this, that when I go out I'm not playing that part on the girls I pick out? :crackup:

I don't really consider a man who is smiling and open to be supplicating, but its obvious that you do. So I'd assume like I originally did, that you aren't the type to smile at a girl, or appear to be open.

But you are right, I don't know you in real life, could be you are the type to draw them in like bees to the honey, with your wit and charm and obvious love for the female gender.

Anyways, I know a lot of men, some as friends, some as more, and they don't really "hi five" their buddies and brag about "the h0 the pulled from the bar" period. That is kind of juvenile.

I'm not really going to argue with you about the kind of men I meet in real life, however I do know their attitudes are nothing like yours. It is just kind of obvious and easy to tell the ones that aren't that into women, and the one's that are. Or should I say, the ones that treat women well, and the ones that come across as bitter or fake.

For instance, you could use the men on this site as an example. There are a couple of men who come across as men who truly enjoy women and aren't at all bitter or judgemental towards them. I have become friends in real life with them.

Then there are a couple who seem pretty bitter and petty about all women in general. I wouldn't even give them the time of day, or my myspace address. ;)

That is how it is in real life too.
 

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STR8UP said:
My last LTR was awesome in this sense. I couldn't get enough of that tight little asian ass, and me getting into it got HER into it and we fed off of each other's sexual energy.

It was great because she had only been with one guy before me, so I had the opportunity to open a few doors for her.
Hehe.. you gotta be careful sometimes don't you? Women's sexuality is like Pandora's box in a lot of ways and it can really surprise you.

One of the first asian chicks I dated was a lot like yours - very reserved and almost prudish in bed. By the time I was done with her she was doing all kinds of nastiness and eventually her levels of debauchery surpassed mine and I had to let her go!

I ran into her years later only to discover she had become a call girl :eek:

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The women from my mother's generation and older are vastly superior to what we have now, in terms of feminine qualities. We have a lot more gold-diggers now than we've ever had in the past, thanks to the "Family" Court and their female bias.
I'd agree that quality across the board was better, because nature is happy with men in a dominant position. Unfortunately we took it too far and are now suffering the consequences.

I'd never trust a female to be fair.
Women are indeed at a disadvantage here. Fairness requires one to think rationally and that's never been their strong suit, especially in situations where emotions run high. It takes a woman of exceptionally strong character to be completely objective. But that doesn't mean that they don't exist.

In short, you are wise to be wary, but be careful with the word "never". It has a funny way of biting you in the ass.

In my experience the majority of both sexes tend to be conniving selfish f*cks who would use your head as a stepping stone to get what they want and not think twice about it. In essence, no gender has a patent on integrity.

For example, have you ever seen women collectively tackle the glass *floor* in the workforce, to have more women become garbage collectors, toilet cleaners etc.? Or they're only talking about the glass ceiling?
That's just wishful thinking. All the toilet scrubbers in every place I have worked have been women. Look at the glass ceiling and see who is really playing the field on that level. It's one giant boy's club, and though the occasional dragon-lady gets her foot in the door, for the most part this has not changed. Men still make a LOT more money than women, in practically every field. We also hold more political power in just about every department. That's the reality of the situation.

The women of previous generations who didn't have the economic advantages had great incentives to improve themselves and bring more to the table. That's how human beings work best. Just like in a company, the employees wouldn't work any harder if they couldn't get any reward for their efforts. That's why communism failed in practice, but sounds great in theory.
Agreed. Though I don't think that economic dependence is really the answer. Women just need to be rewarded more for doing womanly things.. and for many years they have been taken for granted and treated as second-class citizens. Women are passive by nature so you have to understand just how much oppression it takes for them to get organized and pissed off enough to rise up.

While the men of yesterday may have been more in tune with their masculine nature, they were obviously doing SOMETHING wrong if women just couldn't take it anymore. Chicks did not all collectively wake up one morning and decide to ruin our lives. Treating them like slaves just did not work out, and treating them as goddesses is proving even more disastrous.. it's time to admit it and just move on.

Communism failed because it is an extreme ideology. Capitalism is slowly rotting society from the inside out and Feminism is already proving to be a massive failure on so many levels. Extremes are not healthy for anyone! The path to a better world is BALANCE.

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I think you're taking the women don't lead thing too far. Women do lead but they do so covertly, and usually a little more indirectly and impliciitly and subtly than men do.
You ever see that movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"? There is one line in there that makes so much sense. The mother is explaining the dynamics of her marriage to her daughter and says "Men are the head of the household, but women are the NECK" In other words, the man has the final say and calls all the shots.. but the woman knows exactly how to steer and influence his decisions.

The problem we have today stems from the fact that most women want to be the head now, and that's just not how things work. Men must call the shots!

The main thing is women are poor leaders, and not so much for the manner that they lead but because they have poor judgement and no sense of fairness etc. But the point is women can and do lead, they believe they are entitled to it now-it's the law now basically. They have to agree to be submissive. It's like a juvenile deliquent whose incorrigible. I'm not saying that men aren't responsible for women acting as leaders, or that there's nothing to be gained by a man asserting leadership, but there's limits. The horse has gotten out of the barn.
I think this is all happening because we are not taking our roles as leaders far enough though. The idea that "women can lead" is a Trojan horse.. just like women can be firemen and bodybuilders. Hey look at all this freedom, isn't it great? But don't even think of pointing out that men are better suited for certain jobs and women also have their strengths cause that would imply inequality! What's even more unfair about this is that even if you rightfully point out where a woman is doing a lousy job, it gets twisted into an ethical debate. All of a sudden equal rights = special treatment and we find ourselves in a heap of horse-sh!t. Apparently, this is one of the few things we strongly agree on.

See, you label, "Angry". I'm not angry.
Naw, this just earns you the label of "a tad defensive". I wasn't talking about you at all, I was referring to your readers. To read about how unfair the game is should make them angry and hopefully spur them to action. Wasn't that your intention? To spread awareness?

This is an example of you creating a strawman. I've never said that women will always have the upper hand. What I said is, why they have an advantage is because they have equal or greater economic footing due to preferential treatment. If they continue to be given preferential treatment, then naturally they're going to continue to have an advantage. On the flipside, how is saying things that sound good but aren't really true championing men? Being blind to things and deception is just where any feminist wants men to be.
Actually your first argument was that women have all the advantages because they have a pvssy. I then went on to show you how this is both a blessing and a curse to them, because sex is not really what they are after. You never responded to those points and went on and on about how unfair the system is.. and I even agreed with you on certain points. My biggest gripe was your choice of a title.

The real reason why females will always be at an advantage

Is that not the same as saying they will always have the upper hand?

It should have been called Society's bias towards women or something like that, but whatever.

You then went on to challenge us to point out where men have ANY advantages whatsoever, further compounding your weak frame. I posted a long list and you didn't respond to single one of those points (all true and based on FACT), opting to call me a blind macho-man instead. It's pretty easy to see who's got leftover straw on their shirt here.

Honestly, I got nothing against you keto. Where we don't see eye-to-eye can be summed up right here:

Is something negative or is it realistic and pragmatic?
The textbook definition of pragmatism is A practical, matter-of-fact way of approaching or assessing situations or of solving problems.

You got the assessment part down pat. Pointing out how empty the glass is comes very easily to you. But I see very little material from you on actually solving problems in a practical manner. While I applaud your efforts to raise consciousness, I wonder what kind of personal success you enjoy because you don't share SOLUTIONS, only PROBLEMS.

I think it was Rollo who recently defined pragmatism as "Hoping for the best and preparing for the worst". I can echo that sentiment.

Where are the keto posts loaded with practical advice and the slightest shred of optimism? I'm dead serious man. Point me to some of these because lately all I see from you are rants, despair and arguments which are honestly not helpful to guys who come here already feeling down about their situation.

In short, what makes you a Master DJ, aside from your post count?
 

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iqqi said:
I just don't understand all the b!tching about how "unfair" women are, and how men have it so bad because women aren't paying $$$ for the c0ck, and how society encourages women to be b!tches, blah blah blah... I just don't see how this topic of discussion is manly, for one, and helpful in the greater scheme of things, for two.

I think my point is, what is the point of b!tching about the fact that women don't pay for sex, and that men are actually willing to? Instead of even asking why that is (for really though), and taking responsibility for why that is, what could be a really interesting topic turns into another "woe is me, I am man, hear me cry" thread where women are blasted for basically having vaginas. Smooth.
this isnt a woe is me thread. its nothing more than a curios observation.

what i find fascinating is why you are having such a sever allergic reaction to the topic and why it causes you to man bash.

moreover, if you find sosuave so pathetic then why are you here?

me thinks someone is looking for their daily dose of drama.
 

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Anyway, that's why I always say HOT women have such an easy life. Look HOT, get FAR(in all facets of life besides getting any man they want). Imagine that. I know you disagree with me Joekker, but it's really a fact. I don't know how you can't see it. I agree, yes, HOT women will have problems and get depressed, nobody's life is perfect, but their problems aren't nearly as bad as most mens.
i dont disagree with you. i've always said, the easiest life are for hot chics.

i mean, the whole 'career' of being a model is ridiculous. getting paid mad dough for doing nothing that existing.
 

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the easiest life are for hot chics.

i mean, the whole 'career' of being a model is ridiculous. getting paid mad dough for doing nothing that existing.
It really is. I dont envy that type of existence though. Such an easy life prevents one from developing character, and if you've ever dated one of these models you already know that they are not the brightest bulbs of the bunch. There is no substance..no PASSION behind a person who is given everything.. this also translates to general unfulfilment on a spiritual level and almost guaranteed boredom in the sack.

Each time I banged one of these girls it was like "that's it?"

Give me an HB7 with a soul over an HB10 with a vacuous stare any day of the week
 

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joekerr31 said:
this isnt a woe is me thread. its nothing more than a curios observation.

what i find fascinating is why you are having such a sever allergic reaction to the topic and why it causes you to man bash.

moreover, if you find sosuave so pathetic then why are you here?

me thinks someone is looking for their daily dose of drama.
I actually think it is an interesting thread... where do you see a "sever allergic reaction" to the topic? And where am I bashing men? I think I actually posted this:

iqqi said:
I personally think men are great, and am happy to know some real ones. After spending time here getting into the minds of some I'll say discouraged ones, (instead of bitter, lol), then going out and having a ball with a man who doesn't have that chip on his shoulder and isn't afraid to be a man, and lets me be a woman, that sh!t is GREAT. This site makes me appreciate those men to a whole nutha degree. It goes from a "wow he is great" to "Thank GOD he even exists!"
Which I guess put another way, is that most men I come across do not have issues with women, which is refreshing after reading some of the posts here that are just really negative towards women. (Look at this cougar who does she think she is threads, or why women have all the unfair advantage threads, or look at this one legged hor get ripped apart in court haha threads, or all women cheat threads, or quality women?! HA! threads. catch me drift?)

I just don't think it is even a masculine trait to sit around and rant about how women hold all the power.

Most truly masculine men would not entertain that thought, because it is kind of ridiculous. Or... put it this way, most men I witness that are successful with women, do not see women as having all the power, or as conniving threats.
 

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iqqi said:
I just don't think it is even a masculine trait to sit around and rant about how women hold all the power.

but thats not what this thread was about. in essence, its actually the men who have the power - ie. the ability to pay 4k for an hour of p*ssy. they give over their power in exchange for the p*ssy, which in essence gives the p*ssy power.

but regardless, this isnt so much about power, as whats goign on in the world around us. its not about ranting, but rather observing.

it IS a reality that there are tons of women who make a very good living off showing their p*ssy off and / or letting men stick their d*cks in their p*ssy.

and the fact that this reality exists is what embues all women with this notion that their p*ssy is valuable (even the ones not selling it for money). and the obvious reality is that it is valuable - i don't think even brad pitt could get a woman to pay 4k to r*de his kawk for an hour (well maybe he could, but he's about the only guy in 3 billion who could).


whereas we don't see women paying for kawk and we don't see men associating wealth / monetary value to their kawk.

im not saying that all women are wh*res. what im saying though is that all women know that there are plenty of women making lots of money off being wh*res and this impacts the way men and women interact within the general populous.

nor am i blaming women btw. the women are like the drug dealers and the johns are like the addicts, both create the market, without one you wouldnt have the other.

but lets be realistic, this dynamic is merely a more extreme version of what goes on in the general population - the notion of hte p*ssy as the object of desire and the man having to 'pay' (one way or another) to get it.
 

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joekerr31 said:
but thats not what this thread was about. in essence, its actually the men who have the power - ie. the ability to pay 4k for an hour of p*ssy. they give over their power in exchange for the p*ssy, which in essence gives the p*ssy power.

but regardless, this isnt so much about power, as whats goign on in the world around us. its not about ranting, but rather observing.

it IS a reality that there are tons of women who make a very good living off showing their p*ssy off and / or letting men stick their d*cks in their p*ssy.

and the fact that this reality exists is what embues all women with this notion that their p*ssy is valuable (even the ones not selling it for money).

whereas we don't see women paying for kawk and we don't see men associating wealth / monetary value to their kawk.

im not saying that all women are wh*res. what im saying though is that all women know that there are plenty of women making lots of money off being wh*res and this impacts the way men and women interact within the general populous.

nor am i blaming women btw. the women are like the drug dealers and the johns are like the addicts, both create the market, without one you wouldnt have the other.

but lets be realistic, this dynamic is merely a more extreme version of what goes on in the general population - the notion of hte p*ssy as the object of desire and the man having to 'pay' (one way or another) to get it.
Well first, my little mini rant earlier was directly from seeing a few posts here that WERE doing nothing more than b!tching, but to get back ON TOPIC, I don't know if women give their pvssy power points or kudos, because men are paying for it.

You are basically saying: men pay for pvssy = women value their pvssy.

I really don't think the average women sees it that way, if anything she thinks prostitution degrades the pvssy, and devalues it.

I could see how a MAN would make that connection, but like it was pointed out earlier, women tend to value other things more than sex. Men and their quest for sex is more ANNOYING than it is some form of power currency. Many women just can't be bothered with it.

To get more specific, I have never based my worth on the fact that men would pay to sleep with me. I do not think I have any power over what I really want, based solely on the fact that I have a vagina. I DO recognize that I could make certain men do my bidding, with the promise of sex.... but most women don't do that, and neither do I, so the fact that I (we) could doesn't mean anything.
 

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Señor Fingers said:
In my experience the majority of both sexes tend to be conniving selfish f*cks who would use your head as a stepping stone to get what they want and not think twice about it. In essence, no gender has a patent on integrity.
Just wanted to highlight an example of where you're just as negative or more as anyone else, yet you like to reach for the negative label for others.



That's just wishful thinking. All the toilet scrubbers in every place I have worked have been women. Look at the glass ceiling and see who is really playing the field on that level. It's one giant boy's club, and though the occasional dragon-lady gets her foot in the door, for the most part this has not changed. Men still make a LOT more money than women, in practically every field. We also hold more political power in just about every department. That's the reality of the situation.



Agreed. Though I don't think that economic dependence is really the answer. Women just need to be rewarded more for doing womanly things.. and for many years they have been taken for granted and treated as second-class citizens. Women are passive by nature so you have to understand just how much oppression it takes for them to get organized and pissed off enough to rise up.

While the men of yesterday may have been more in tune with their masculine nature, they were obviously doing SOMETHING wrong if women just couldn't take it anymore. Chicks did not all collectively wake up one morning and decide to ruin our lives. Treating them like slaves just did not work out, and treating them as goddesses is proving even more disastrous.. it's time to admit it and just move on.

Communism failed because it is an extreme ideology. Capitalism is slowly rotting society from the inside out and Feminism is already proving to be a massive failure on so many levels. Extremes are not healthy for anyone! The path to a better world is BALANCE.
I disagree with a lot of your conclusion regarding men and women. There's little point in me going through it again line by line, but I'm this all just negative toward men and blame the men first. Your conclusion and arguments are mainstream feminism. I'll just agree to disagree.



You ever see that movie "My Big Fat Greek Wedding"? There is one line in there that makes so much sense. The mother is explaining the dynamics of her marriage to her daughter and says "Men are the head of the household, but women are the NECK" In other words, the man has the final say and calls all the shots.. but the woman knows exactly how to steer and influence his decisions.

The problem we have today stems from the fact that most women want to be the head now, and that's just not how things work. Men must call the shots!

I think this is all happening because we are not taking our roles as leaders far enough though. The idea that "women can lead" is a Trojan horse.. just like women can be firemen and bodybuilders. Hey look at all this freedom, isn't it great? But don't even think of pointing out that men are better suited for certain jobs and women also have their strengths cause that would imply inequality! What's even more unfair about this is that even if you rightfully point out where a woman is doing a lousy job, it gets twisted into an ethical debate. All of a sudden equal rights = special treatment and we find ourselves in a heap of horse-sh!t. Apparently, this is one of the few things we strongly agree on.


Here you do a 180 and basically contradict what you just said before. It can't be both way, i.e., "men led and it was bad, but now men aren't leading and it's bad so men need to lead". You seem to be arguing from both sides of the fence and both ends agisnt the middle.



Naw, this just earns you the label of "a tad defensive". I wasn't talking about you at all, I was referring to your readers. To read about how unfair the game is should make them angry and hopefully spur them to action. Wasn't that your intention? To spread awareness?
OK a "tad defensive", whatever, and you're not? Yes it's about awareness, isn't that a big part of what we do? It would be arrogant and ignorant for me or anyone else to offer specific advice to everyone in general. It's up to them to use things as they see fit.


Actually your first argument was that women have all the advantages because they have a pvssy. I then went on to show you how this is both a blessing and a curse to them, because sex is not really what they are after. You never responded to those points and went on and on about how unfair the system is.. and I even agreed with you on certain points. My biggest gripe was your choice of a title.

The real reason why females will always be at an advantage

Is that not the same as saying they will always have the upper hand?

It should have been called Society's bias towards women or something like that, but whatever.
Well even so the point is their pvssy is leverage to get whatever they do want. And we're going to gripe about titles? I don't put a lot into a title. That seems like a female thing to gripe about inconsequentals.

You then went on to challenge us to point out where men have ANY advantages whatsoever, further compounding your weak frame. I posted a long list and you didn't respond to single one of those points (all true and based on FACT), opting to call me a blind macho-man instead. It's pretty easy to see who's got leftover straw on their shirt here.
First off you are again making a strawman. I didn't say men don't have advantages. Actually I made it pretty clear that men naturally have advantages, but society works toward taking away men's advantages and giving them to women. Now you go onto to label "weak frame". And what is aggravating the most is you claim that I didn't respond to the points or claims you made. I've responded to them in general and individually. And when I characterized your response as macho thinking that's not a strawman, it's a characterization.

Honestly, I got nothing against you keto. Where we don't see eye-to-eye can be summed up right here:



The textbook definition of pragmatism is A practical, matter-of-fact way of approaching or assessing situations or of solving problems.

You got the assessment part down pat. Pointing out how empty the glass is comes very easily to you. But I see very little material from you on actually solving problems in a practical manner. While I applaud your efforts to raise consciousness, I wonder what kind of personal success you enjoy because you don't share SOLUTIONS, only PROBLEMS.
This shows your bias. I offer solutions and specific advice all the time. But it's arrogant and braggard to boast or to think anyone has specific solutions for everyone. To think that is ignorance of the game. You always go back to insinuations that I'm not successful.


I think it was Rollo who recently defined pragmatism as "Hoping for the best and preparing for the worst". I can echo that sentiment.

Where are the keto posts loaded with practical advice and the slightest shred of optimism? I'm dead serious man. Point me to some of these because lately all I see from you are rants, despair and arguments which are honestly not helpful to guys who come here already feeling down about their situation.

In short, what makes you a Master DJ, aside from your post count?
Dude the practical advices post are spread all over this forum. I'm not going to dig them up and try to prove anything to you. If you wantd to see them you'd see them for yourself. I could ask you where's your specific solutions. Iqqi might need it, but guys on here generally don't need happy-feel-good and empty optimism. I'm not responsible for your preceptions and I'm not going to get into a discussion about semantics and writing styles. If you want to believe I'm negative or whatever else, that's fine.
 
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