Can a women be LTR material if you hit it the first night?

[Pair A Dice]

I don't know about you, but I find nothing sexier than a woman who knows what she wants sexually. If I and her connect on the first night to a point where we feel we should fvck, then let's have at it.

 

[Solomon]

Still not getting it...


so she was a prostitute..if he already banged her and enjoyed it he should keep banging her and tell her it won't evolve into a relationship

but if he wasn't attracted to her and was banging her because there was nothing better, that means he can't get better women.. and that's what I am talking about all along

when you know who you are, there is AN OCEAN of women for you to **** who want it as bad as you

meh better in terms of looks yeah he can, quality, thats another matter

Personally speaking I know the type of women I wanna surround myself so why waste my time these days dealing with grenades?

 

[cordoncordon]

I don't think it really makes a difference. I have been in ltr's where we waited to have sex for a few dates, and I have been in ltr's where we bang banged the first night. After you are with someone for 6 months, I really don't think you look back at it with your gf and say, "ya know, maybe if we had waited to sex it until the 5th date, we would be getting along better". haha You are either into each other or not. I think maybe 50 years ago it might have made a difference because of societal pressure for the girl to remain chaste and wholesome, but nowadays I think it makes no difference in how it affects the outcome of the relationship. My current gf of 2 years, I banged the hell out of her the first night, and its been non stop ever since. Best relationship of my life, not even fvcking close. We are like two peas in a pod. Have no idea how I went 30 some years of my life without this woman in my life. And just because I like to piss some people off, another pic of her.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/rose44.jpg/

 

[cordoncordon]

double

 

[Colossus]

How many WOMEN have YOU been with?

And don't give me that "key that fits a lot of locks" line.

You guys all want to f**k a million women until you find the "one girl" to settle down with, and then she's only any good if she hasn't f**ked a million guys while she was waiting for YOU.

As long as she's "clean", it's really none of your business how many other guys she's been with until you're "in a commitment".

Don't look at the fact that she gave it up the first night as an indication that she's "easy". Look at how it came about. Girls who are slvts who give it up to everyone because of low self-esteem or "party girl mentality"...you should be able to tell that within the first minute of talking to her...it's an attitude. The fact that your pee-pee makes it inside of her does not define who she is.

I agree with squirrels. Guys would find life a lot easier if they got over this fantasy double-standard of male hyper-sexuality and female purity.

The woman's sexual past question comes up a lot, and you have to use your own judgment. No one can tell you how to make that decision because their opinion is based on their own beliefs and experiences. Personally I dont want to be with a woman who has been with an obscene number of men, so I go off of clues and my gut feeling.

As far as the sex on the first night thing....like most things in life it depends on the circumstances. I dont think it necessarily dooms a future relationship or means she's a slvt, but it can.

 

[squirrels]

I was being facetious to make a larger point. Conceivably I could have a relationship with someone who I slept with the first night but usually I do not. Most of them are pretty low-quality and falling for the stupid lines that I give them shows that.

That's kind of what I'm saying...you have to look at HOW she made it to your bed. If she's falling for your "seductive influence", then it's hard to take a girl seriously, whether she puts out on the first date, second date, or fifth date.

I'd love to find a girl who really understands it, who thinks, "you wanna f**k, I wanna f**k, you have condoms so we're safe, let's f**k". Then we can just get it out of the way and not spend the first 3-4 dates trying to figure out the "right time/right place/right circumstances" to have sex.

The more I think about it...sex and sex drive just get in the way of a healthy relationship. Instead of spending the first few dates getting to know someone, they're always spent trying to evaluate the best time and place to f**k, and whether the other person is worth f**king. What a waste.

I'd almost rather just get it out of the way, so we can move on to something else.

And I don't know what it is...if a friend of mine calls me up and says, "Hey, let's go grab something to eat", I spring to my feet and am enthusiastic about it instantly. If a girl says, "let's grab something to eat", I'm more likely to be like, "nah, just come up and chill with me". (implying, "let's stay in and f**k")

Why is that?? Why am I so into being active, going out and doing stuff with my friends, but not at ALL with the women I'm trying to date?

Maybe I'VE gotten so used to seeing them as f**k toys that I can't see any humanity in them any more.

 

[Amazing]

Cordon Shake and Squirells all of you have your own issues just like all of us do, and I would advice to look deeper so your lives can get even better

Cordon - you didn't post that picture for us, you are insecure that the girl will leave you, think back to past relationships to find out where that came from and overcome this

Shake - why are YOU judging them on a reaction to the lines YOU give them, if YOUR stupid lines are stupid? I don't have lines, I don't say stupid stuff.. I say what I think and if the girls likes it then it's a no brainer

squirells - You still have work to do, you don't know who you really are so you can't connect with women and their sexuality. You don't need 3-4 dates, and there is an ocean of women out there who are ready to **** just as you are. May be you need to figure out how to detect those better. Look for places where high energy is, bars, tourist spots, race tracks, etc..
I think you still think women need to be "talked into" sex... that's not the case at all.

 

[cordoncordon]

Cordon Shake and Squirells all of you have your own issues just like all of us do, and I would advice to look deeper so your lives can get even better

Cordon - you didn't post that picture for us, you are insecure that the girl will leave you, think back to past relationships to find out where that came from and overcome this

Shake - why are YOU judging them on a reaction to the lines YOU give them, if YOUR stupid lines are stupid? I don't have lines, I don't say stupid stuff.. I say what I think and if the girls likes it then it's a no brainer

squirells - You still have work to do, you don't know who you really are so you can't connect with women and their sexuality. You don't need 3-4 dates, and there is an ocean of women out there who are ready to **** just as you are. May be you need to figure out how to detect those better. Look for places where high energy is, bars, tourist spots, race tracks, etc..
I think you still think women need to be "talked into" sex... that's not the case at all.

LOL Trust me, there is NO shot she is going to leave me. Have been together 2 years and we spend pretty much every day/night together and do pretty much everything together. I 100000000% love her, and she 1000000000000% loves me. In fact as I type this on the couch, she is laying next to me after we just got back from golfing together. We are moving in together soon as well and will be popping the question shortly. The reason I post her pic all the time is because it absolutely pisses a few guys who post here off to the nth degree, and I love to antagonize them. It's kind of a running joke.

 

[Amazing]

LOL Trust me, there is NO shot she is going to leave me. Have been together 2 years and we spend pretty much every day/night together and do pretty much everything together. I 100000000% love her, and she 1000000000000% loves me. In fact as I type this on the couch, she is laying next to me after we just got back from golfing together. We are moving in together soon as well and will be popping the question shortly. The reason I post her pic all the time is because it absolutely pisses a few guys who post here off to the nth degree, and I love to antagonize them. It's kind of a running joke.

Cool, glad to hear it, I could be wrong, I just don't know if it's good to post your gf pic places where any stranger can look at her... to me that looks like seeking validation, to reassure that this girl is indeed hot and you made a catch!

 

[squirrels]

squirells - You still have work to do, you don't know who you really are so you can't connect with women and their sexuality. You don't need 3-4 dates, and there is an ocean of women out there who are ready to **** just as you are. May be you need to figure out how to detect those better. Look for places where high energy is, bars, tourist spots, race tracks, etc..
I think you still think women need to be "talked into" sex... that's not the case at all.

Reading back, I see how you could come to that conclusion from what I said.

I'm not talking about hook-up spots...more about the "dating world", the stigma that surrounds it.

Believe me, I already know what you're talking about.

 

[Amazing]

Reading back, I see how you could come to that conclusion from what I said.

I'm not talking about hook-up spots...more about the "dating world", the stigma that surrounds it.

Believe me, I already know what you're talking about.

Cool, I had a feeling you "got it" because I've seen your posts, hopefully thats the case - but then why talk about "dating world" dating world is not YOUR dating world if you have the right filter and meet the right women. There are chicks there who are thinking like you are right now, i gurantee it... numbers alone support that data - everyone is different on some level some will be on yours.



Fairshake - see, me I always aimed high (sometimes WAAAAY too high, but i deluded myself that I was a DJ that could get any girl) so for me I would be with girls who would want me to have a better life - so to be a better man. I don't know if thats healthy or not (don't want to be stuck in her world) but i think now I can handle it because I know what I am.

I don't think I'd like to make a girl feel bad to sleep with me - you are basically trying to get her to what, settle for you? How healthy is that for your self esteem?!!

that's probably where the issues are coming from, look may be you aren't top 10 choice, but there are 7 BILLION people out there... if you are a good guy who is cool and brings somethign to the table there are thousands of women for you - and soem of them will be good looking AND smart enough to see this.

so just go up to the big leagues plate and see..

 

[TheHumanist]

This had be a thought for me too. Let me throw this post by Roissy (This can be see as a partial counter to RT's link).

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/why-sluts-make-bad-wives/


Of course, it is about Marriages, but my understanding that the above should have some bearing to LTR material.

It gives a semi-paradox, the link above seem to say the demographic that is most likely to be LTR/Wifey material are virgins. This seems to speak against FNL girls as the most likely girl to be LTR material. The only idea that would be compatible of being a girl who have a low number of lays and be a FNL girl just happens to pick you and on a first night (or thinking about it more, maybe still young and avoided being with anyone during high school). I'm just to go outright and say that I don't have the game (nor ever heard from any of my friends or outer circles) of someone managing pull something like that. Also, any functional LTRs I know, I don't think they did FNL to my knowledge (disclaimer: to be fair, this is still college aged and most of the people I'm thinking are Asian, good chance of seeing a big difference in other demographics). Seriously, if someone does or have an example, I'm all ears. Comments?

 

[Sue Madre]

I don't think it really makes a difference. I have been in ltr's where we waited to have sex for a few dates, and I have been in ltr's where we bang banged the first night. After you are with someone for 6 months, I really don't think you look back at it with your gf and say, "ya know, maybe if we had waited to sex it until the 5th date, we would be getting along better". haha You are either into each other or not. I think maybe 50 years ago it might have made a difference because of societal pressure for the girl to remain chaste and wholesome, but nowadays I think it makes no difference in how it affects the outcome of the relationship. My current gf of 2 years, I banged the hell out of her the first night, and its been non stop ever since. Best relationship of my life, not even fvcking close. We are like two peas in a pod. Have no idea how I went 30 some years of my life without this woman in my life. And just because I like to piss some people off, another pic of her.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/rose44.jpg/

I knew she was a slut just from looking at her. You lied in another thread and said you banged her on the 3rd date. How does it feel to know you are marrying a slut? Probably banged 20 other guys on the first date too.

And don't forget to post a pic of the million dollar rock I'm sure you will buy her.

 

[squirrels]

I knew she was a slut just from looking at her. You lied in another thread and said you banged her on the 3rd date. How does it feel to know you are marrying a slut? Probably banged 20 other guys on the first date too.

And don't forget to post a pic of the million dollar rock I'm sure you will buy her.

LOL wut??

Why do we always put each other down on these forums? Whenever someone does well for themselves, someone has to shoot off about how "un-alpha" it is.

I think a lot of people on this forum NEED "success" with women to remain something that hasn't been reached. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to identify with the "struggle of learning to be Don Juan".

 

[cordoncordon]

I knew she was a slut just from looking at her. You lied in another thread and said you banged her on the 3rd date. How does it feel to know you are marrying a slut? Probably banged 20 other guys on the first date too.

And don't forget to post a pic of the million dollar rock I'm sure you will buy her.

You always seem so angry. Your moods seem to go up and down more than the Dow Jones Industrial. Marriage life not treating you well? We had met each other with other friends twice before...no date, and then we banged on our first official date. I appreciate you calling the girl I love a "slut", a girl you have never met, know nothing about, and is probably the sweetest and classiest person I have ever met. You're classy as ever mynameisnobody/bluntmaster.

See what I mean Amazing about the posting of my gf's pic pissing a few people off? I can always count on Mr. multiple alias here to throw in a post when I do. He is kinda like Pavlov's dog in that regard.

Squirrels the voice of reason as usual.

 

[f283000]

See what I mean Amazing about the posting of my gf's pic pissing a few people off? I can always count on Mr. multiple alias here to throw in a post when I do. He is kinda like Pavlov's dog in that regard.

Squirrels the voice of reason as usual.

It's only about the millionth time you post a pic of your gf!

But I have to agree with squirrels. As men we shouldn't hate on other men for finding themselves a good catch. That's something that women do!

Chris Rock - Women hate women

So congrats to you cordon you have a beautiful gf. In fact hopefully more guys in sosuave would post pics of their success in order to motivate the less lucky members out there still in the struggle. I think it's a good motivator to see other guys do well.

I hope more guys find themselves a good woman that actually makes them happy which seems to be your case. Your story is a motivator for me because for the longest time I have actually wanted a meaningful relationship with a good woman that ticks all the boxes (beauty, intelligence, sexyness) rather than just another fling or ONS with a woman I don't find worthy of giving a relationship to. You have achieved what I want to achieve and what many here also hope to achieve.

Let's not "playa hate" but motivate! Congratulations to you cordon.

 

[cordoncordon]

It's only about the millionth time you post a pic of your gf!

But I have to agree with squirrels. As men we shouldn't hate on other men for finding themselves a good catch. That's something that women do!

Chris Rock - Women hate women

So congrats to you cordon you have a beautiful gf. In fact hopefully more guys in sosuave would post pics of their success in order to motivate the less lucky members out there still in the struggle. I think it's a good motivator to see other guys do well.

I hope more guys find themselves a good woman that actually makes them happy which seems to be your case. Your story is a motivator for me because for the longest time I have actually wanted a meaningful relationship with a good woman that ticks all the boxes (beauty, intelligence, sexyness) rather than just another fling or ONS with a woman I don't find worthy of giving a relationship to. You have achieved what I want to achieve and what many here also hope to achieve.

Let's not "playa hate" but motivate! Congratulations to you cordon.

Thank you F2 I sure do appreciate that. If wanting a LTR with a quality woman is your goal, keep at it, they are out there. Sometimes it is easy to get easily jaded reading all the stories of bad women on this site, but like anything else, you just have to take most things with a grain of salt and realize there are two sides to every story. And you seem to be well grounded and have a good head on your shoulders, so that puts you above a lot other guys right there.

I have been in a # of ltr's, and most were pretty good, but I never could say I was head over heels in love, except for maybe one of them. Even meeting my gf was a fluke, as I met her here in CA, and the only reason I am in this state is because I moved out here 3 years ago with an ex gf of mine from MI. Other wise I would have no reason to even dream of moving to this state. The ex is a great person as well, and we were together for 5 years, but something always seemed to be missing. I don't know if that was her fault, or mine. Probably mine. I guess my point is something good can happen for you when you least expect it.

 

[Amazing]

This had be a thought for me too. Let me throw this post by Roissy (This can be see as a partial counter to RT's link).

http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/09/16/why-sluts-make-bad-wives/


Of course, it is about Marriages, but my understanding that the above should have some bearing to LTR material.

It gives a semi-paradox, the link above seem to say the demographic that is most likely to be LTR/Wifey material are virgins. This seems to speak against FNL girls as the most likely girl to be LTR material. The only idea that would be compatible of being a girl who have a low number of lays and be a FNL girl just happens to pick you and on a first night (or thinking about it more, maybe still young and avoided being with anyone during high school). I'm just to go outright and say that I don't have the game (nor ever heard from any of my friends or outer circles) of someone managing pull something like that. Also, any functional LTRs I know, I don't think they did FNL to my knowledge (disclaimer: to be fair, this is still college aged and most of the people I'm thinking are Asian, good chance of seeing a big difference in other demographics). Seriously, if someone does or have an example, I'm all ears. Comments?

Girls are smart and don't put out right away because they want you to like her for more than that.. the less she feels she has to offer besides sex, the quicker she will be to bed.

BUT, and here is the big but

if you know who you are and you are honest with yourself enough to recognize sleeping with her soon won't make a difference in how you view her.. if every other thing she does makes you want to be with her.. then you can convey that and IF and only IF she also came to the same conclusion (he won't judge and run away if i give it up - this guy is COOL) then I don't see why not


I know most people can't do this.. I couldn't either until I got honest with myself, so I am glad my last LTR made me wait 3 dates..and fought me HARD in the bedroom..she NEEDS to submit to you to feel like a woman. Girls who easily give it away either really like you or are damaged goods or are both, know which one is which by how she acts if any other signs or low self esteem are there.

Also only post I am replying to because you the only one who wants to learn - I don't agree with what was posted and I think I am on to something with all 3. Things don't add up, go meditate guys and think about it.

posting your girl UNLESS you think your friends are these people (and ihub) is not healthy. having thousands of posts is not healthy AT THIS PLACE - and don't use excuse of teaching other guys.. if that's all you have you will be here FOREVER because new blood is always coming in. Get the posts you want out there and leave, simple as that. I think I will wrap all this up this week unless there is specific advice I need on particular topic I won't plan to come back

 

[Nutz]

This was a discussion between a friend and I. He is a firm believer that any girl who gives it up on the first night isn't relationship material no matter how hot she is, his reasoning being, if she gave up so quick then how many other guys has she giving it up too?

Personally my thoughts on this is it depends on the situation but honestly I like a challenge. My last couple LTR's I was the one who actually made the girls wait while they were begging for it, this helped spike their IL even more because I just didn't care if I hit it right away or not. It also gave me the power of the relationship and set the frame that I was the man. Now that I look back had I hit it those relationships probably wouldn't have lasted that long cause I would have gotton bored or their IL woulda dropped etc

your thoughts on this topic?

My last 3 LTRs were with women I hooked up with the first night. Actually, almost all the women I was with we hooked up with the first night, LTR or not.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

Girls are smart and don't put out right away because they want you to like her for more than that.. the less she feels she has to offer besides sex, the quicker she will be to bed.k

I used to believe this, but with maturity and experience I discovered that this is simply a convenient rationale women use to maintain their options. Women know that their only real agency with men is their sexuality. They're all keenly aware that men's primary interest in them is ƒucking - everything else is ancillary to sex. The value a woman has beyond the sexual comes after she's been sexual.

I'd love to perpetuate the pretty lie that women hold off on sex in order increase their sexual market value to men, but I've known far too many "good girls" who'd string along patient, dependable (not necessarily betas) men because "she wanted them to like her for more than that" only to ƒuck a SMV Alpha the first night she met him.