Calling out a flake on her behaviour?

SeldomSeen

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I had the same situation happen to me over the weekend and as much as I wanted to email her and tell her off I decided to act like the Fonz and be cool. She saw me in the club Saturday night dancing with some girls and came up to me saying she was sorry she flaked out on our date and I just looked at her and smiled and said "its no big deal" and turned and kept dancing with the other girl. The rest of the night though she kept trying for my attention and I would smile say "yeah..." and keep walking. I dont even see it as revenge I just see it as her best interest wasnt to go out with me Friday so be it life goes on. I dont cry over spilled milk and I think her interest level rose a bit because she saw that.
 

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I think the not seeing it as revenge is the best way to put it -- resign yourself to the fact that no revenge may be possible. A few of the guys who suggested that you will regain her interest, or make her sorry, by playing it cool, struck me as perhaps overly optimistic.

The reason for being cool, instead, is simply that it's your least-worst option.

Let's say you call her out. You're presumably doing that to "teach her a lesson" and thereby alter her behavior in the future.

The "lesson" could be one of only two general principles, as far as I see it.

First, you could be trying to persuade her that her flake behavior is wrong because it is against her self-interest and will eventually hurt her, take away some option she would have if she behaved properly, or otherwise impede her attainment of her goals. Well, unfortunately, as the market values things, her experience has already told her this isn't so -- she's almost certainly done this before, or she wouldn't do it so blithely this time, and yet new guys keep talking to her. Even for your particular "break up," what has it cost her? Do her family, or girlfriends, or the new guys who started chasing her in the bar the next night and are dating her now, think any the less of her b/c of how she treated you? Not in any meaningful way. Is there anything she could have had if she hadn't flaked out, that she can't have now? Not really -- except for you (and let's face it, she at least thought she didn't want you). She is not ever going to face any other consequence for flake behavior, other than losing the one guy she most recently flaked on, so telling her "this behavior is wrong" when the "wrongness" doesn't cost her anything she values is like telling a criminally-minded person that murder is wrong in a jurisdiction without any laws against it. It's true she lost you, and that was stupid, but if there is any hope she will ever realize this and feel a pang (and the chances of this are somewhat limited given the lack of introspection by most girls), that chance is maximized by your simply walking away and living well -- and probably minimized by your hanging around to dwell on the busted relationship in a way that at least makes her think you're still obsessed with her and she could have you back anytime she decided to play nice for a bit, so that she hasn't lost anything at all.

If the lesson you're trying to teach her is that flake behavior is morally wrong, you've got an uphill battle. Women are essentially amoral. And people in general are unlikely, once they've already done and committed to a particular act, to seriously re-consider its propriety. As one of the more Machiavellian posters around here said, appeals solely to the integrity of someone else (especially when that person has acted in a way that suggests they have little) are the province of the weak. That's harsh, but probably true. And if she thinks you're snivelling, even if her flake behavior was objectively wrong before you started snivelling, she will use magical girl logic to transport your current confrontation/snivelling with her back in time so as to justify her flaking out ex post facto.
 

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Alonso:
Kick azz post man your right on the money. without doubt true. very very insightfull. I like it. ;)
 

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Just let her be, 20 or 30 years from now when shes older and fatter and she doesn't have a husband or boyfriend that will be the ultimate lesson.
 

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Originally posted by Monkey
...But sod it I'll put that energy into other women.
Now THAT^^^ is the best way for you to let her know her behavior is unacceptable and put her in her place. No words need be used--beautiful.

Actually--when you see her at X-mas--with someone else on your arm--be very friendly and glad to see her.
 

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Alonso, I really enjoyed reading both of your posts. They were refreshingly true-to-life.
 

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alonso is so intelligent. sigh.

anyways, monkey, i agree with everyone here, think this is some of the best, most well put advice i've seen on this subject.

don't tell her off.

but i have to add, don't make it seem like you are giving her the silent treatment either-that is also immature. everyone here is telling you that you are noone to put her in her place, which is true. unless (IMO) she asks. if she asks, this changes things slightly. then you can maturely let her know about her immoral ways, and be off.
 

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As another bible puts it, 'judge not, lest ye be judged'.

BTW

PREACH ON Alonso!!!!....PRAISE his NAME !!!
 

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Originally posted by iqqi

but i have to add, don't make it seem like you are giving her the silent treatment either-that is also immature.
Don't listen to that crap, she is a girl :rolleyes: what do you expect.

GIVE her more than the silent treatment - give her the PERMANENT silent treatment. Don't ever speak to her again, unless you happen to bump into her out and about. Then, be decent, but quick and firm. "hey whats up, not much, gotta go". thats it. :D
 

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the thing is, you don't know with this girl. Maybe she just cancelled the date cause she had a little zit on here nose that seemed HUGE in her eyes. or she had bags under her eyes that day ... or who knows.

Anyway, act a little mad, not dissapointed. set up a new date and if she flakes on that be pissed.
 

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Originally posted by myfriendblu
GIVE her more than the silent treatment - give her the PERMANENT silent treatment. Don't ever speak to her again, unless you happen to bump into her out and about.
yeah, then she'll NEVER know that you care....:rolleyes:
 

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I got the "might have something else on that night"

and am now waiting for the reply! she said she will call back and let me know.

I know she is going to flake. But what can I do but wait like a chump.

Feeling very vulnerable at the moment
 

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You guys still discussing this, its old news to me, already have my sights on another target :D


For what its worth mentioning:

I saw her out tonight and I was just 'pleasant' - 'hello' and 'goodbye' about sums it up.

Also she did actually go round to friends for dinner and I believe she may even have arranged this prior to me asking her out (shes EXTREMELY forgetful - I've mentioned a few things to her in the past and shes be adament that it was 'xyz' when in reality it was 'abc', even about everyday insignificant things)

The way I asked her out was more of a casual 'lets hang out' so in her mind she probably saw it as no big deal to flake out.

Shes not had a boyfriend or anyone take her out on a date for a few years now and last serious bf acted really crappy towards her so I think she has serious issues with trust and has resorted to game playing to stop people getting close to her.


But whatever, I'm not going to wait around and be her mental punchbag until she can bring herself to start acting like a mature woman again. She has my number and can make the next move, but I'm not holding my breath - I have other women to attract ;)
 
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