Broke up with my girlfriend

[Dr.Suave]

My main point is that having double standards just lacks integrity.

Its not a double standard, its a different standard. A hot girl can hypotethically just show up to a bar/night club and ask "Who wants some puzzy?" and she can have a line of guys willing to bang her.

Men on the other hand cant do that. Try showing up to a bar and asking "Who wants some d1ck?" and see how that goes. Men have to put in the work. Men have to game their way into getting laid.

If a hot girl wanted to have a big notch count, she can do so easily. Plenty of guys out there want to bang her. Men have to put in the work to get laid.

Feminazis always complain "Why is a girl with a high notch count a slut but a guy with a high notch count is a stud?" This is why. Hot girls can get sex easily whenever they want, Men have to earn sex.

So its not a double standard, its a different standard, because men and women are different. Those are some views I have seen on Youtube from fresh & fit. I like them and agree with them. Feel free to disagree, which Im guessing you probably will.

 

[Dr.Suave]

High interest men don't care about a woman's sexual past. That's how we get most of the trainwreck stories on the forum.

D@mn bro. So true. I think you are on to something.

 

[Murk]

D@mn bro. So true. I think you are on to something.

I'm not so sure, some men just have disgust towards learning certain things despite high interest. You're currently engaged to a young virgin (before you met her). You're very high interest as you prepare for a life together. If you went through her phone and saw she was with multiple other guys, threesomes etc that she lied about, I have NO DOUBT in my mind you would drop her like a ton of bricks.

If you have self-respect and options, an abundance mindset, that you are the prize - you won't tolerate low quality women no matter how high your interest. It's the lack of options and abundance mindset why so many guys here have kids and failed marriages with low-quality women. It is very hard to end things with a girl you're interested in, but it's what separates the men from the boys.

 

[MtmVaott]

Its not a double standard, its a different standard. A hot girl can hypotethically just show up to a bar/night club and ask "Who wants some puzzy?" and she can have a line of guys willing to bang her.

Men on the other hand cant do that. Try showing up to a bar and asking "Who wants some d1ck?" and see how that goes. Men have to put in the work. Men have to game their way into getting laid.

If a hot girl wanted to have a big notch count, she can do so easily. Plenty of guys out there want to bang her. Men have to put in the work to get laid.

Feminazis always complain "Why is a girl with a high notch count a slut but a guy with a high notch count is a stud?" This is why. Hot girls can get sex easily whenever they want, Men have to earn sex.

So its not a double standard, its a different standard, because men and women are different. Those are some views I have seen on Youtube from fresh & fit. I like them and agree with them. Feel free to disagree, which Im guessing you probably will.

I do. I will only say it's good to question things. The influencers in the 'manosphere' are not inerrant.

 

[Dr.Suave]

I do. I will only say it's good to question things. The influencers in the 'manosphere' are not inerrant.

Its good to question, I agree. Not everything they say is gospel, but they cant be wrong all the time. Even Ben Shapiro admits that Andrew Tate is right at least 75% of the time.

 

[MtmVaott]

Its good to question, I agree. Not everything they say is gospel, but they cant be wrong all the time. Even Ben Shapiro admits that Andrew Tate is right at least 75% of the time.

Ok I will say this: The view on life from guys who are deep in the manosphere is like math. Math is based on axioms. These are assumed to be true. Everything else is derived from these axioms. Hence, everything makes perfectly sense and appears to be right. Situations in reality are interpreted through this lense. Most situations confirm their views (some don't, they are overlooked or marginalized). So I understand what you mean when you say those guys can't be wrong all the time.

The problem is that their axioms are flawed. They operate with a deep insecurity about their innate worth, they learned early they not OK just as they are. That's the true axiom, and it radiates into every particular teaching. The whole stuff about PU and the need for the validation from women by 'improving to become a 'high value' man' is a huge cope and attempt to make them feel loved and wanted. The wording already makes it obvious. If you have to improve, you assume you are not good enough as you are. And there is this equality between attractiveness and value of a human being. Basically, they hand a cope to make you feel better about yourself by becoming more desirable. And when A. Tate is called together with toxic masculinity, it's not masculinity that's toxic, it's that A. Tate never progressed over an unloved boy and his coping to look like a man is what is referred to as toxic.

I'm leaving the forum so I can't respond anymore, sorry.

 

[Canadian_Man]

That's weird, since you detest her sexual past, especially the threesomes, but on the same hand made implications you were as promiscuous and had threesomes yourself.
It seems you now have a different opinion on sexuality, what begs the question if you are ashamed of your sexual past.
And you seem to have double standards (men vs. women).

Men & women are judged differently based on different criteria.

Example: women are judged more harshly over their appearance than men.

In the OP's context, specifically about the number of past men she has been with + the two MMF threesomes, I think Ryan breaks down the rationale for the judgement pretty well:

Summary:
- men have to put in much more effort to attract a woman, so part of a woman's virtue comes from her selectiveness
- a large past history indicates many prior men put in less effort to be with her, i.e., you are "overpaying" (this is a simplified, narrow-focused outlook on the issue)
- a large past history raises doubts about whether she would revert back to a more promiscuous lifestyle sometime in the future (missing from Ryan's analysis)

Not saying that I agree entirely with the OP's choice(s), but to say "she forgives your past, so you should forgive hers" doesn't take into account male/female psychological differences.

The other part is the deceit layered into her past history, i.e., the things she lied about.

 

[anonymous12345]

So let’s all become Arabs then. They excel at red pill, lock ‘‘em up and ****. I consider the YouTuber above and the like as “newbie Arabs”.

So I wrote to an Arab friend that have lived in Scandinavia for long, passed the two videos. His answer was that he’s too old for that and have high blood pressure. Loool. So much for feeling well as “modern”.

One problem, as opposed to those above outlined and that I agree with, is that if women and men are viewed equal, the woman has an advantage because it’s easier for her because she just have to say yes. That is, a woman with high sex drive just has to say yes. A guy with high sex drive has to become chad. But many things are unfair.

Jealousy etc are not only for red pilled or Arabs. These are all pretty words but I lean towards the videos/red pill myself.

 

[Stanley]

I'm leaving the forum so I can't respond anymore, sorry.

Shame, it is more interesting when we have folks that oppose the status quo and speak freely (even if one is to disagree with it). That kind of discourse makes for good discussion and new viewpoints to consider.

 

[eli77]

I've posted threads about her in the past so wanted to update you that I did brake up with my ex gf a little while ago. She was pushing for more commitment hard, moving in, babies, and engagement. I still hadn't gotten over the issues of her past and her age/declining looks (same age as me).

Many of you suggested I break up with her in the summer when I found the list of 30 bodies (plus 2 mmf threesomes) in her phone notes and the lies that came with it. I just wasn't ready to pull the trigger then, and I did love her. I had too much on my plate with my business to add more stress to my life. I coasted and went through the motions over the months, had fun, did fun things with her, but it was hollow, and I felt empty and angry towards her. She kept pushing for more, and deep down I couldn't degrade myself and ultimately, I couldn't respect someone that hadn't respected themselves. The respect for her was gone and it was just pity I felt for the longest time.

I put my foot down and said she would never be moving in with me, I had already told her previously I could not marry and have kids with someone with a past like hers. I guess maybe if she'd come straight out and told me 5 years ago when we met (together for about half that time), I'd have a different opinion. She glossed over my words and hoped I'd cave eventually, she stuck around, but I always resist and push back on pressure and manipulation. She was frustrated the relationship wasn't moving forward and I wasn't even enjoying the company she provided and there was no more peace.

Anyway, I'm very happy I did the right thing. I was close to just knocking her up last year as I do want kids and I can provide for them now. I've learned to properly vet, the questions to ask, the signs to look out for in the future. I'm in a much better position than when I first met her too, physically, mentally, financially and spiritually. Some part of me is sad, because she was a good and loyal girl. But she wants kids so I had to let her go find some other guy. I'm not going to be saving any h0e or taking the easy way out. It was a difficult thing for me to do and looking back, I should have left much sooner.

Not bothering with any girl late 20s and above.

Awesome

 

[devilkingx2]

I don't personally get breaking up with a girl who isn't showing red flags after years of dating because of an arbitrary body count number.

The only reason I would do that is if she had me convinced she doesn't have sex until marriage but I find out every other guy gets it on the first date.

I have a different mindset than most guys I suppose.

 

[DonJuanjr]

I need to work on my mindset... I am not looking for love at all. I believe there is no such thing as "true love". I just want to experience more women. I am still angered by the fact that women are having these high counts, and extremely sexual encounters... I don't care about the sexuality, I don't have a madonna/wh0re complex.... It's out of jealousy that they don't want to have them with me! I'd be ecstatic to run a train on a chick.

It's OVER for NotInvitedOnTheTrainCels!