Brace yourself gents; the wall for PREGNANCY is beyond 45 now...

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Yes. You read that correctly. Many female celebrities have kids in their late 40,s now...apparently the most famous example is Cameron Diaz,who gave birth to her (first ?) kid at 47.



This effects the game and how women view life. Let go of the idea that "the wall is at 27" lol. Women know they can now play around up into their 40's before they even consider kids .

"Yeah but Gamisch, they increase the chance their kid will have complications " Haha.you funny dude. Like they GAF? Nope they won't

I see more and more celebrities in my country dumping their man /bf around or after the age if 40. I read an article where a woman (39) dumped her bf after 7 year because he got cancer and she still had a wish for children..
 
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Yes. You read that correctly. Many celebrities have kids in their late 40,s now...apparently the most famous example is Cameron Diaz,who gave birth to her (first ?) kid at 47.



This effects the game and how women view life. Let go of the idea that "the wall is at 27" lol.

I see more and more celebrities in my country dumping their man /bf around or agter the age if 40. I read an article where a woman (39) dumps her bf after 7 year because he got cancer and she yet had a wish for children..
Imo its arguably not the best idea to get kids at the age of 40 as a man. And lets never underestimate the fact it takes time to get ,impregnate her and let her give birth to the kid Because it means your child will illogically be 20 when you are 60. And 20 is FAR from a grownup age..let alone..20 years from now.

Lets say you are single. Thats assuming you
-bagg a woman at 38 as a "final chance".
-impregnate her at 39 and 3 months ,so she can carry the child for 9 months and give birth when you are 40.
- my former homeboy ( bitched away ) is now hitting 41 and has this DESPERATE wish for kids...(huge feminine energy but oke..) doesn't has his shyte together..his 27 y.o Philippine GF isn't here yet, so he might be 43,44,45 before she is actually pregnant..IF if if if.

Yes you might have to work until you are 70 so it doesn't matter THAT much when your kid is 30 and independent. (Assuming its still happening 40)

But yeah..most dudes I see now aren't capable of pulling this off, due to my first post..the opposite sex is capable to "date and have fun" up until their 50's .. meaning the problems that 20 something's having,are now similar to thise that 40 year old men are having.

My advice? Yup. As useal..work on yourself, grind , get your body in shape and learn/practice game. Let go of traditional thoughts. Stop projecting your father/ grandpa their lives on yours. Its a COMPLETELY different era,with completely different rules and outcomes.
 
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I thought the wall referred to attraction/looks, not child-bearing capabilities.
Perhaps my mistake. I always thought that getting kids after 40 ,especially for women was kinda dangerous and increased the risk for complications.

For us men..lets be honest. It's better to get your kids between the ages of 20 and 40 instead of 40 and 60. It possible, I know..but..

Perhaps I'm in the wrong. I rather become a grandfather at 60 than a father.
 

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Yes. You read that correctly. Many female celebrities have kids in their late 40,s now...apparently the most famous example is Cameron Diaz,who gave birth to her (first ?) kid at 47.
I strongly suspect some kind of medical intervention was involved. For regular folks, this technology may not be affordable.
 

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I strongly suspect some kind of medical intervention was involved. For regular folks, this technology may not be affordable.
I have seen poor women approaching 60 still able to crank kids out. Not all fertility windows are made equal though. Most of the stigma against older motherhood stems from increased risk of birth defects and the fact that you get to watch your child receive their diploma when you are old enough to be their grandmother.
 

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I strongly suspect some kind of medical intervention was involved. For regular folks, this technology may not be affordable.
Yes i believe that too .

Yet it doesn't matter. The general consensus is that a woman can give birth after 40. So I see 40 y.o women dumping their (celebrity) boyfriends like hot potatoes lately...
 

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Yes i believe that too .

Yet it doesn't matter. The general consensus is that a woman can give birth after 40. So I see 40 y.o women dumping their (celebrity) boyfriends like hot potatoes lately...
My grandma gave birth in her early 40s...no medical intervention, no nothing...that was more of the exception that proves the rule.
 

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These 'geriatric' celebrity mothers are splashed all over the media but the reality is that most 47 year old women can't have kids. The quantity and quality of women's eggs starts falling away after thirty and really accelerates after 35. Most 40 year old women can't have kids.

For every case of these older mothers you hear about there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of women who are trying but failing to have children in their 40s. A lot of them can't conceive and those who do miscarry more often than not.

They don't write about that in Hello magazine or wherever you see these stories about some celebrity having a kid in her 40s and so a lot of 'ordinary' women get a rude awakening when they come to want children and find out it's too late.
 

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This is simply feminism trying to keep up the facade as long as possible on the narrative sold to women (and ignorant beta men) as they all are aging through their 20s and 30s. You can STILL have it all including kids. You can safely have kids in your 40s no problem. For EVERY success story that they are selling, there is a legion of women ending up childless with no hope of ever having a child of their own.

It's the ultimate lie that the fertility curve doesn't exist. It exists and it's unforgiving and it never sleeps. IVF in women over 35? Sure, while they quote effectiveness percentages that are actually for 20yr old women in their prime (which are probably overestimated to begin with).

This is why I think one of the best quotes out there right now is that "women are giving the best eggs of their lives to the streets". Women in their 20s need to hear that if they can.
 

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For us men..lets be honest. It's better to get your kids between the ages of 20 and 40 instead of 40 and 60. It possible, I know..but..
Let's look at becoming a first time father at 40+ and what it entails for a man.

From a biological standpoint, we can impregnate women at that age. A 40 year old man's sperm quality is lower than his 25 or 30 year old self, but it's still good enough to cause pregnancy. Older sperm is more likely to contain deficiencies. The solution to this is to have a partner that is substantially younger. It is best for a 40 year old man to have a partner 10+ years younger if he's having kids at 40 to minimize chances of complicated pregnancies and birth defects. One of the few 40 year old men I know in-person who became a first time father had a wife who was 32 at the time of birth. 32 was 8 years younger, which is close to 10 and that's still borderline risky.

There are more practical lifestyle reasons why older fatherhood is less than ideal.

There are a couple of considerations around physical health.

An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.

The biggest issue with a 40 year old man having a child becomes money and financial planning. When a 40 year old man has a child, he's not an empty nester until 58 (if that's his only child). If his child goes to college, he might at least partially fund that and the burden of that would extend to 62-63 years old. That will impact retirement planning. That also assumes that a man can retire on his own terms, which is a faulty assumption as I'll show below. However, even for men who are fortunate enough to retire on their own terms, having financially dependent children (even financially dependent adult children) after age 55-60 is not the wisest of financial decisions and can delay retirement.

Additionally, most men do not retire voluntarily. The majority of people experience involuntary retirement and that typically occurs somewhere between ages 50-65. For white collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of job loss after 50 and the inability to get hired for similar white collar work after that. For blue collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of a man who is physically unable to do his job due to injuries and overall physical condition. It's not good be to a 55 year old man with a 13 and 15 year old still at home when you're experiencing involuntary retirement.

Also realize that most men who get laid off during the 50-65 age range are also more likely to get divorced or dumped too. However, a man in his 50s who gets laid off and is forced into early retirement as likely to get divorced from his similarly aged wife because a 50 something woman has fewer options for longer term relationships out there. A man who is 25-44 years old who loses his job is a much higher risk candidate for dumping due to unemployment. Girlfriends are more likely to dump than wives. When a 32 year old man loses his job, his highly in-demand 30 year old girlfriend is far more likely to dump.

For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
 

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Let's look at becoming a first time father at 40+ and what it entails for a man.

From a biological standpoint, we can impregnate women at that age. A 40 year old man's sperm quality is lower than his 25 or 30 year old self, but it's still good enough to cause pregnancy. Older sperm is more likely to contain deficiencies. The solution to this is to have a partner that is substantially younger. It is best for a 40 year old man to have a partner 10+ years younger if he's having kids at 40 to minimize chances of complicated pregnancies and birth defects. One of the few 40 year old men I know in-person who became a first time father had a wife who was 32 at the time of birth. 32 was 8 years younger, which is close to 10 and that's still borderline risky.

There are more practical lifestyle reasons why older fatherhood is less than ideal.

There are a couple of considerations around physical health.

An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.

The biggest issue with a 40 year old man having a child becomes money and financial planning. When a 40 year old man has a child, he's not an empty nester until 58 (if that's his only child). If his child goes to college, he might at least partially fund that and the burden of that would extend to 62-63 years old. That will impact retirement planning. That also assumes that a man can retire on his own terms, which is a faulty assumption as I'll show below. However, even for men who are fortunate enough to retire on their own terms, having financially dependent children (even financially dependent adult children) after age 55-60 is not the wisest of financial decisions and can delay retirement.

Additionally, most men do not retire voluntarily. The majority of people experience involuntary retirement and that typically occurs somewhere between ages 50-65. For white collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of job loss after 50 and the inability to get hired for similar white collar work after that. For blue collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of a man who is physically unable to do his job due to injuries and overall physical condition. It's not good be to a 55 year old man with a 13 and 15 year old still at home when you're experiencing involuntary retirement.

Also realize that most men who get laid off during the 50-65 age range are also more likely to get divorced or dumped too. However, a man in his 50s who gets laid off and is forced into early retirement as likely to get divorced from his similarly aged wife because a 50 something woman has fewer options for longer term relationships out there. A man who is 25-44 years old who loses his job is a much higher risk candidate for dumping due to unemployment. Girlfriends are more likely to dump than wives. When a 32 year old man loses his job, his highly in-demand 30 year old girlfriend is far more likely to dump.

For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
This

You better be a non(pot) smoking, non narcotic sniffing, non alcoholic ,pro health gym freak with the energy to carry a family (=woman, child, woman's family/friends, ect) ,with a decent career and money to burn.

The ONLY advantage the former man i described has over his 25/35 years old counterparts is that he might amd should be passed the stage of being a depressed game/porn/sub hb5 addict and knows how to prioritize the right things in life.

Very few man can pull it off. Still you want an active, VERY decent woman to accompany you on this mission...last thing you need os an borderline crazy bytch that's consuming all your energy while you are in your 50's...
 

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Let go of the idea that "the wall is at 27"
I cant, bro. Im sticking to "The wall starts sometime after 23. But I accept there are exceptions, exceptions make the rule".
 

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I thought the wall referred to attraction/looks, not child-bearing capabilities.
There's overlap between the two.

The quantity and quality of women's eggs starts falling away after thirty and really accelerates after 35. Most 40 year old women can't have kids.
This is true. I know some anecdotes from my personal life about late pregnancies. A friend's wife had her first child at 38 this year. These anecdotes are not statistically significant though.

The typical 40 year old woman isn't going to be able to have kids even if she wants them. A 40 year old woman who has already had her 2 kids generally won't want more.

For every case of these older mothers you hear about there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of women who are trying but failing to have children in their 40s. A lot of them can't conceive and those who do miscarry more often than not.
True.

Lisa Guerrero (now 59 and childless) mentioned a miscarriage she had at 39 when working the sidelines of a Monday Night Football game. This is a celebrity miscarriage example that got media coverage.

 

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Realistically, most women have until 35-40 to have their first kid.

For men, we can have kids later in life, but that's dependent on our abilities to attract a much younger partner. The typical 30s/40s man is a pussie beggar who will end up settling for a woman close to his own age, so that affects his timelines for having children. There are other considerations I mentioned earlier in this thread for men and having children at 40+.
 

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Because it means your child will illogically be 20 when you are 60. And 20 is FAR from a grownup age..let alone..20 years from now.
20 may not be too stable/grown up but it's a legal adult which you aren't obliged to do **** for. Apart from that yeah i wouldn't want kids at 40 unless i accumulated a substantial amount of wealth to pass down by then to mitigate potentially not living long enough to see them for that long.
 

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Fellas, when I'm 55 I'm retiring and moving to Mexico and building me a compound. Its gonna have gardens, grotto's, pools, 50 naked women on the payroll, hot tubs, 50 Shades sex dungeons, tacos, swim up mini bars, and lots of tequila. You won't have to worry about all this SoSuave schitt. I will have my own airport and fly you in. And @corrector you are invited too. You'll want to marry one of those devil girls. ;-)
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