Brace yourself gents; the wall for PREGNANCY is beyond 45 now...

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Yes. You read that correctly. Many female celebrities have kids in their late 40,s now...apparently the most famous example is Cameron Diaz,who gave birth to her (first ?) kid at 47.



This effects the game and how women view life. Let go of the idea that "the wall is at 27" lol. Women know they can now play around up into their 40's before they even consider kids .

"Yeah but Gamisch, they increase the chance their kid will have complications " Haha.you funny dude. Like they GAF? Nope they won't

I see more and more celebrities in my country dumping their man /bf around or after the age if 40. I read an article where a woman (39) dumped her bf after 7 year because he got cancer and she still had a wish for children..
 
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Yes. You read that correctly. Many celebrities have kids in their late 40,s now...apparently the most famous example is Cameron Diaz,who gave birth to her (first ?) kid at 47.



This effects the game and how women view life. Let go of the idea that "the wall is at 27" lol.

I see more and more celebrities in my country dumping their man /bf around or agter the age if 40. I read an article where a woman (39) dumps her bf after 7 year because he got cancer and she yet had a wish for children..
Imo its arguably not the best idea to get kids at the age of 40 as a man. And lets never underestimate the fact it takes time to get ,impregnate her and let her give birth to the kid Because it means your child will illogically be 20 when you are 60. And 20 is FAR from a grownup age..let alone..20 years from now.

Lets say you are single. Thats assuming you
-bagg a woman at 38 as a "final chance".
-impregnate her at 39 and 3 months ,so she can carry the child for 9 months and give birth when you are 40.
- my former homeboy ( bitched away ) is now hitting 41 and has this DESPERATE wish for kids...(huge feminine energy but oke..) doesn't has his shyte together..his 27 y.o Philippine GF isn't here yet, so he might be 43,44,45 before she is actually pregnant..IF if if if.

Yes you might have to work until you are 70 so it doesn't matter THAT much when your kid is 30 and independent. (Assuming its still happening 40)

But yeah..most dudes I see now aren't capable of pulling this off, due to my first post..the opposite sex is capable to "date and have fun" up until their 50's .. meaning the problems that 20 something's having,are now similar to thise that 40 year old men are having.

My advice? Yup. As useal..work on yourself, grind , get your body in shape and learn/practice game. Let go of traditional thoughts. Stop projecting your father/ grandpa their lives on yours. Its a COMPLETELY different era,with completely different rules and outcomes.
 
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No, fertile and attractive. Not that any of these nincompoops should father a child, but they all want fertile women.
 

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I thought the wall referred to attraction/looks, not child-bearing capabilities.
Perhaps my mistake. I always thought that getting kids after 40 ,especially for women was kinda dangerous and increased the risk for complications.

For us men..lets be honest. It's better to get your kids between the ages of 20 and 40 instead of 40 and 60. It possible, I know..but..

Perhaps I'm in the wrong. I rather become a grandfather at 60 than a father.
 

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Yes. You read that correctly. Many female celebrities have kids in their late 40,s now...apparently the most famous example is Cameron Diaz,who gave birth to her (first ?) kid at 47.
I strongly suspect some kind of medical intervention was involved. For regular folks, this technology may not be affordable.
 

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I strongly suspect some kind of medical intervention was involved. For regular folks, this technology may not be affordable.
I have seen poor women approaching 60 still able to crank kids out. Not all fertility windows are made equal though. Most of the stigma against older motherhood stems from increased risk of birth defects and the fact that you get to watch your child receive their diploma when you are old enough to be their grandmother.
 

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I strongly suspect some kind of medical intervention was involved. For regular folks, this technology may not be affordable.
Yes i believe that too .

Yet it doesn't matter. The general consensus is that a woman can give birth after 40. So I see 40 y.o women dumping their (celebrity) boyfriends like hot potatoes lately...
 

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Yes i believe that too .

Yet it doesn't matter. The general consensus is that a woman can give birth after 40. So I see 40 y.o women dumping their (celebrity) boyfriends like hot potatoes lately...
My grandma gave birth in her early 40s...no medical intervention, no nothing...that was more of the exception that proves the rule.
 

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Fellas, when I'm 55 I'm retiring and moving to Mexico and building me a compound. Its gonna have gardens, grotto's, pools, 50 naked women on the payroll, hot tubs, 50 Shades sex dungeons, tacos, swim up mini bars, and lots of tequila. You won't have to worry about all this SoSuave schitt. I will have my own airport and fly you in. And @corrector you are invited too. You'll want to marry one of those devil girls. ;-)
 

What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.

You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.

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Fellas, when I'm 55 I'm retiring and moving to Mexico and building me a compound.
So, boys, another nine years of wanking to ASMR girls and then you can have a real one at Duke's compound.
 

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These 'geriatric' celebrity mothers are splashed all over the media but the reality is that most 47 year old women can't have kids. The quantity and quality of women's eggs starts falling away after thirty and really accelerates after 35. Most 40 year old women can't have kids.

For every case of these older mothers you hear about there are dozens, maybe hundreds, of women who are trying but failing to have children in their 40s. A lot of them can't conceive and those who do miscarry more often than not.

They don't write about that in Hello magazine or wherever you see these stories about some celebrity having a kid in her 40s and so a lot of 'ordinary' women get a rude awakening when they come to want children and find out it's too late.
 

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This is simply feminism trying to keep up the facade as long as possible on the narrative sold to women (and ignorant beta men) as they all are aging through their 20s and 30s. You can STILL have it all including kids. You can safely have kids in your 40s no problem. For EVERY success story that they are selling, there is a legion of women ending up childless with no hope of ever having a child of their own.

It's the ultimate lie that the fertility curve doesn't exist. It exists and it's unforgiving and it never sleeps. IVF in women over 35? Sure, while they quote effectiveness percentages that are actually for 20yr old women in their prime (which are probably overestimated to begin with).

This is why I think one of the best quotes out there right now is that "women are giving the best eggs of their lives to the streets". Women in their 20s need to hear that if they can.
 

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For us men..lets be honest. It's better to get your kids between the ages of 20 and 40 instead of 40 and 60. It possible, I know..but..
Let's look at becoming a first time father at 40+ and what it entails for a man.

From a biological standpoint, we can impregnate women at that age. A 40 year old man's sperm quality is lower than his 25 or 30 year old self, but it's still good enough to cause pregnancy. Older sperm is more likely to contain deficiencies. The solution to this is to have a partner that is substantially younger. It is best for a 40 year old man to have a partner 10+ years younger if he's having kids at 40 to minimize chances of complicated pregnancies and birth defects. One of the few 40 year old men I know in-person who became a first time father had a wife who was 32 at the time of birth. 32 was 8 years younger, which is close to 10 and that's still borderline risky.

There are more practical lifestyle reasons why older fatherhood is less than ideal.

There are a couple of considerations around physical health.

An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.

The biggest issue with a 40 year old man having a child becomes money and financial planning. When a 40 year old man has a child, he's not an empty nester until 58 (if that's his only child). If his child goes to college, he might at least partially fund that and the burden of that would extend to 62-63 years old. That will impact retirement planning. That also assumes that a man can retire on his own terms, which is a faulty assumption as I'll show below. However, even for men who are fortunate enough to retire on their own terms, having financially dependent children (even financially dependent adult children) after age 55-60 is not the wisest of financial decisions and can delay retirement.

Additionally, most men do not retire voluntarily. The majority of people experience involuntary retirement and that typically occurs somewhere between ages 50-65. For white collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of job loss after 50 and the inability to get hired for similar white collar work after that. For blue collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of a man who is physically unable to do his job due to injuries and overall physical condition. It's not good be to a 55 year old man with a 13 and 15 year old still at home when you're experiencing involuntary retirement.

Also realize that most men who get laid off during the 50-65 age range are also more likely to get divorced or dumped too. However, a man in his 50s who gets laid off and is forced into early retirement as likely to get divorced from his similarly aged wife because a 50 something woman has fewer options for longer term relationships out there. A man who is 25-44 years old who loses his job is a much higher risk candidate for dumping due to unemployment. Girlfriends are more likely to dump than wives. When a 32 year old man loses his job, his highly in-demand 30 year old girlfriend is far more likely to dump.

For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
 

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Let's look at becoming a first time father at 40+ and what it entails for a man.

From a biological standpoint, we can impregnate women at that age. A 40 year old man's sperm quality is lower than his 25 or 30 year old self, but it's still good enough to cause pregnancy. Older sperm is more likely to contain deficiencies. The solution to this is to have a partner that is substantially younger. It is best for a 40 year old man to have a partner 10+ years younger if he's having kids at 40 to minimize chances of complicated pregnancies and birth defects. One of the few 40 year old men I know in-person who became a first time father had a wife who was 32 at the time of birth. 32 was 8 years younger, which is close to 10 and that's still borderline risky.

There are more practical lifestyle reasons why older fatherhood is less than ideal.

There are a couple of considerations around physical health.

An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.

The biggest issue with a 40 year old man having a child becomes money and financial planning. When a 40 year old man has a child, he's not an empty nester until 58 (if that's his only child). If his child goes to college, he might at least partially fund that and the burden of that would extend to 62-63 years old. That will impact retirement planning. That also assumes that a man can retire on his own terms, which is a faulty assumption as I'll show below. However, even for men who are fortunate enough to retire on their own terms, having financially dependent children (even financially dependent adult children) after age 55-60 is not the wisest of financial decisions and can delay retirement.

Additionally, most men do not retire voluntarily. The majority of people experience involuntary retirement and that typically occurs somewhere between ages 50-65. For white collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of job loss after 50 and the inability to get hired for similar white collar work after that. For blue collar workers, involuntary retirement takes on the form of a man who is physically unable to do his job due to injuries and overall physical condition. It's not good be to a 55 year old man with a 13 and 15 year old still at home when you're experiencing involuntary retirement.

Also realize that most men who get laid off during the 50-65 age range are also more likely to get divorced or dumped too. However, a man in his 50s who gets laid off and is forced into early retirement as likely to get divorced from his similarly aged wife because a 50 something woman has fewer options for longer term relationships out there. A man who is 25-44 years old who loses his job is a much higher risk candidate for dumping due to unemployment. Girlfriends are more likely to dump than wives. When a 32 year old man loses his job, his highly in-demand 30 year old girlfriend is far more likely to dump.

For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
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You better be a non(pot) smoking, non narcotic sniffing, non alcoholic ,pro health gym freak with the energy to carry a family (=woman, child, woman's family/friends, ect) ,with a decent career and money to burn.

The ONLY advantage the former man i described has over his 25/35 years old counterparts is that he might amd should be passed the stage of being a depressed game/porn/sub hb5 addict and knows how to prioritize the right things in life.

Very few man can pull it off. Still you want an active, VERY decent woman to accompany you on this mission...last thing you need os an borderline crazy bytch that's consuming all your energy while you are in your 50's...
 

It doesn't matter how good-looking you are, how romantic you are, how funny you are... or anything else. If she doesn't have something INVESTED in you and the relationship, preferably quite a LOT invested, she'll dump you, without even the slightest hesitation, as soon as someone a little more "interesting" comes along.

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For the reasons above, I think it is best for men to have either have children or adopt children between ages 25-35. Men 25-35 are healthier and can raise them to adulthood without significant financial impact.
Do you have kids? because a lot of your 'reasons' seem very theoretical.
 

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Let go of the idea that "the wall is at 27"
I cant, bro. Im sticking to "The wall starts sometime after 23. But I accept there are exceptions, exceptions make the rule".
 

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I am childless.
I figured that, so to give you a perspective of a father:
An older man isn't as able to handle the physical rigors of infancy and toddlerhood as easily as a younger man. If there are nights where sleep quantity is reduced due to a child's needs, that's more difficult to cope with at 40 as compared to 25 or 30. That could affect his ability to do his job, which is an important consideration for a parent.
I think you overestimate the 'physical rigors'. I don't know what exactly you consider these 'rigors', but being a father is not that much more physically rigorous than being a mother. And I say that having my first child in a third-floor walk up apartment. Carrying bags of cat litter up the stairs was more exerting than my son in my back carrier. Also, I had less problems with the sleepless nights than my ten-year younger wife. She got really cranky when she slept less than 8 hours, so most of the time I was the one to get up during the night to change diapers or feed the newborn.

An older man isn't able to keep up with his younger child as easily. It's less than ideal for a 45-50 year old man to try to keep up with his 5-10 year old child or children. That impacts the memories that an older father can make with his children. It's nice for a father to be able to play sports with his son or daughter.
I still do sports with my teenagers, just as I've done with them since they were infants. I don't have to 'keep up' with them. Yes, when they became 7-8 they could outrun me, but I can still throw frisbees better than they can and my son could play competitively against his friends at the sports club, where I'd take him on my motorcycle. However, most of the time, as a parent, you take your kids to the local playground and have coffee with other parents while you watch your kids play.

Another thing you haven't figured on is emotional maturity. The emotional rigors of parenthood are intense and many younger men have less control. Children need an emotionally stable man for a father, someone who matured and dealt with enough adversity to be able to shoulder the mental burden of raising children.
In my estimation, men in their 40s tend to have reached most of the goals men in their 30s are still stressed out about. I think most men shouldn't think about having children before they are 35+, simply because the mental rigors of parenthood require more life experience.
 
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