Betas

[CollegeLife]

I'm way too focused on Roissy, but the thoughts can't escaped my mind. It is too praised as truth for me to ignore without feeling like that I'm taking the blue pill.

5 Minutes of Alpha is worth 5 Years of Beta

A commenter raised this addition to that clause

Most/all women are perfectly aware they are first breeding beta men out of existence (and White folks generally) and replacing them bad boy Alphas and non-Whites (who are definitely Alpha-dominant). They know what life they will lead when they are older and unattractive. They are perfectly fine with that trade-off.

It brings up a disturbing point. If the above is correct, combining the idea of women's love for bad boy type Alpha while detesting dependable Beta personality with the idea of they are "breeding beta men out of existence" (implying that our core personality is genetic and immutable).

This infers that not just a depressing idea women can never love a beta (with beta is not being unambitious, lazy, wimpy, or pvssy-like, but being dependable and not heartless) you can't escape being beta as it is genetic. You can mask it, but can't kill it. It's not a nice thought that no matter what level of game and self-improvement, she's only love the mask and still detest core self.

Please tell me that there's some kind of logical flaw here. Because dam, it is depressing, and I have to admit of part of the depressing thought, I don't think I'm a genetic Alpha. I'm not like a white-knighting, pedestalizing, pvssy beta, but it sounds like non-violent and non-abusive normal me is also detested.

 

[Hakuna]

Alpha's aren't heartless, they just don't give their heart away to any women who'll have it. And they aren't cold hearted, they just aren't ruled by their emotions, they think with their heads. They HAVE emotions, but are able to control them and follow the best course of action.

No one is "genetically" made to be an Alpha. Some people seem to be "born" with it because their social circumstances allowed them to develop as one. Someone who was rejected by the first girl they liked would be much more insecure as someone who succeeded with the first girl they liked. As such, the latter would probably continue to have more girlfriends and breed more confidence while the former would become more and more beta as time passed.

This can be changed, I guarantee it. But first you're gonna have to change the way you think. Having a mindset that Alphas are "genetically" created, destroys any potential for you to become one.

And "non-violent" and "non-abusive" aren't necessarily beta male traits. I'm sure many people would consider Gandhi or Lincoln to be alpha males. Beta males don't respect themselves, Jerks don't respect women, Alpha males respect both.

And finally, every guy wants to become an Alpha no matter how much they deny it. It's the same as how every girl wants an Alpha male no matter how much they say they detest them. Guys who say "I don't want to become Alpha" are usually just trying to justify their fear of attempting to do so. You should be clearer on what makes an Alpha though because it sounds like you're describing a jerk as an Alpha, and the two are VERY different.

 

[iliketennis]

if it is all genetics then what's the point of the book

 

[zekko]

The idea that betas will be bred out of existence is laughable. In any pack, there will be one true alpha and a bunch of betas to follow. The betas get to breed with any woman the alpha does not currently desire. The betas are in the majority. You can't have a leader without followers.

Tyler Durden talked about how the life of the beta is not that bad. You get to eat, you get to breed, you don't have to lead the pack into danger. It takes a lot of work, courage, and energy to be the alpha, not everyone wants to pay the price.

Not that I'm advocating anyone be a beta, I'm just saying.

 

[Warrior74]

Roissy is a writer first and formost, in love with words and turning cute phrases. So there's that.

Secondly. There are no real Alphas outside of jail, gangs etc. Most of those aren't even alpha's they are just animals and not true leaders of men.

Third. If the average guy is beta, it's beta's who built the world and civilization. Who created and innovated.

Fourth. Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Fifth. What do you want? And what are you doing to get it? That's all that really matters at the end of the day. Pretty lies or theories be damned. How many times has the world been threatened with destruction? Stop believing other people, believe in yourself take action on your goals and you won't be depressed.

 

[Ease]

Roissy is the closest thing to truth you will get.

He has flaws and vices just like any man, but once you see them you learn to see past them.

Being beta is not genetic. It is 99% environmental. That's your issue.

 

[DJDamage]

I don't think I'm a genetic Alpha. I'm not like a white-knighting, pedestalizing, pvssy beta, but it sounds like non-violent and non-abusive normal me is also detested.

Most of the so called genetic alpha's are in jail and into a life of crime you don't want to be that.

With proper learning of game and changing your behaviour accordingly you can be alpha with the ladies. After all an alpha by definition of Roissy is not the biggest baddest man that its out there but the man who gets laid the most. This in a sense is somewhat correct because in nature the alphas get to impregnant majority of the females within a group, thus ensuring a higher survival rate for his genetic offsprings which is what counts in the end as far as nature is concerned.

 

[Warrior74]

Roissy is the closest thing to truth you will get.

He has flaws and vices just like any man, but once you see them you learn to see past them.

Being beta is not genetic. It is 99% environmental. That's your issue.

Yup. Depression usually comes from a lack of action. Lack of action comes from internal reasons. Usually insecurity and inadequacy. Root and sort them out. And then take massive action. It's easier said than done when your depressed but just start taking one step at a time.

 

[sharkbeat]

Roissy lost my respect after he wrote several paragraphs long of an article talking about Battle of the Bods. After watching 5 minutes of that show, thinking that I could gain some insight, I felt I just wasted that 5 minutes and could not believe how trashy that show is yet he wrote an article that long for this?? Roissy is reading too much into this whole Alpha/Beta ****.

When you are too concerned about this, it will start consuming your mind. You will see everything as black and white, alpha or beta, and miss the big picture: YOUR LIFE. I bet you 80% of Roissy's male readers will go to clubs and have this going in their head:

"MUST BE AN ALPHA"
"MUST BE AN ALPHA"
"STRAIGHTEN UP MY SHOULDER, BECAUSE ALPHAS DO THAT"
"WALK LIKE AN ALPHA"
"MUST BE AN ALPHA"
"**** A GIRL! ALPHA MUST APPROACH"

This fake frame and mentality won't make you an alpha. Ever! Yes, it might get you girls if you fake it good enough, but that still won't make you an alpha. Sooner or later, your makeup will melt and your true beta will surface. Real alphas don't think this way. He's just being himself.

You need actual experience and (emotional/physical) battle scars in order for you to become a true alpha.

 

[Tesl]

Secondly. There are no real Alphas outside of jail, gangs etc.

Do all you guys think this way? It sounds like you are associating "Alpha" only with aggression , which isn't what it is at all.

 

[zekko]

After all an alpha by definition of Roissy is not the biggest baddest man that its out there but the man who gets laid the most

If you stop and think about it, that's a pretty dumb definition.
Most likely, the guys who get laid the most are the guys who spend the most time around alcohol and alcoholic women.

This fake frame and mentality won't make you an alpha. Ever! Yes, it might get you girls if you fake it good enough, but that still won't make you an alpha. Sooner or later, your makeup will melt and your true beta will surface. Real alphas don't think this way. He's just being himself.

If this guy gets in the way of a real alpha, the real alpha will just knock him out of the way.

 

[Ease]

You guys are talking of 'alpha's as they are a different breed. Your putting yourself in the position of beta and then defending yourself. Alpha is an adjective, describing traits and actions. You act alpha, means you act like a man.

When i think of alpha i think of a masculine projection of myself. Not a guy in jail. A guy in jail might have alpha traits, but he doesnt have my brains or my upbringing. That has nothing to do with masculinity traits perhaps, but i value my power and success, and sometimes intelligence is the way to success. In a way these are the alpha traits of the 21st century.

Stop de-appreciating yourself and then defending it.

A real alpha is a version of yourself. Its is hugely environmental, not genetic.

 

[Nygard]

Its is hugely environmental, not genetic.

It can be perceived as genetic because it's something that is defined in your early years as you grow up. When you're older, it's pretty much all set, you're unlikely to change the position on the totem pole. Just face it, if you're not an alpha, then there's nothing you can do, besides taking yourself out of the gene pool and living a chilled out life without any worry. If you managed to climb up, then probably you were not as far as you thought.

 

[sageproduct]

"breeding beta men out of existence" (implying that our core personality is genetic and immutable).

"We inherit dispositions, not destinies." -Richard Rose

 

[BigJimbo]

Roissy is what the French call the main airport in Paris. I have not a clue who you guys are talking about.

 

[Warrior74]

Do all you guys think this way? It sounds like you are associating "Alpha" only with aggression , which isn't what it is at all.

I associate it with biology. With that primate who will destroy another primate who will not obey or defies him. That wild animal that rules the pack.

Not with a "social alpha" as Roissy and others define it.

The lead wolf in the pack. The top banna of monkeys. The Silverback Gorilla. That head busting criminal mastermind, the Genghis Khans of the world.

Not the guy with game who gets laid alot. Anyone can be that guy with some training.

I don't consider myself beta or alpha. I consider myself a man who works everyday at being a Real Man. Which is someone who has complete respect for himself first and foremost. Getting laid is not my primary objective. Of course I've had a family and my daughter is here playing right now. So it's about self actualization more than scoring tons of poon. I've been there and done that to be honest.

 

[AFCToDJSlowButSurely]

yes, non-Whites being Alpha Dominant certainly explains why the entire world has been colonized by whites at some point or another and why small armies of white soldiers were able to conquer great civilizations of non-whites.

whoever said that clearly has no idea of history whatsoever.

 

[BigJimbo]

yes, non-Whites being Alpha Dominant certainly explains why the entire world has been colonized by whites at some point or another and why small armies of white soldiers were able to conquer great civilizations of non-whites.

whoever said that clearly has no idea of history whatsoever.

One word - Floripa! The vacation destination for the elites of Brazil. If you see a non-white he is a soccer star. Seriously. Brazilians DO NOT go to Rio. Rio has too many "favelados" for those that live the good life in Brazil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGVgAsZp15c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6boLcbxKc5M&feature=related
Carnaval the wealthy Brazilian way!

 

[CollegeLife]

If you stop and think about it, that's a pretty dumb definition.
Most likely, the guys who get laid the most are the guys who spend the most time around alcohol and alcoholic women.

Actually, Roissy's definition as he defined in some post is being the person that arouse women the most AKA "gina tingle." There are certain actions that does that and certain positions in life.


Continual reading leads to seeing that the pattern is the actions that leads to the greatest arousal is just being an uncaring jerk.

You know I just responded to that Jersey Shore thread, it's a good example. Like them or loathe them, they get laid. Despite they act trashy, classless, vapid, and unselfconscious... of perhaps is it because of it? I think oldschool DJ thought says that their confidence, relaxed attitude, living in the moment, fun, and being in shape is what attracting them. The trouble is, as Roissy pointed out and backed up with success, just plain ******* actions seems to be working too.

Fifth. What do you want? And what are you doing to get it? That's all that really matters at the end of the day. Pretty lies or theories be damned. How many times has the world been threatened with destruction? Stop believing other people, believe in yourself take action on your goals and you won't be depressed.

I'm getting depressed because it sounds like the person I want to be is someone who... well... a beta. I don't like that even at my best self and being who I want to be, is still a beta. Meaning the girl or girls now or in the future may act lovingly on the outside, but deep inside lust for the most amoral douchebag person possible, but with me for needs rather than wants. How do I reconcile that basically having a heart builds resentment somewhere deep inside? It is depressing for both my view of humanity and implication for myself. On top of that, they argue that it is in all women, not just some certain narrow or broad demographic.

Who am I to argue? I have nothing that can rebuke or modify a person who following that worldview, is doing quite well and can cite all kinds of evidence nor I can cite a level of success he claims. Yet, just disagreeing and just going for my desires with what I think is right, I feel like I'm just taking the blue pill, living a pretty lie for I cannot handle the truth.

 

[2crudedudes]

Roissy is what the French call the main airport in Paris. I have not a clue who you guys are talking about.

If only Google existed...